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Canon screwed themselves (or did they?)
The consensus seems to be a jump from the 350 to the 400 isn't worth it
from an image improvement perspective, and may actually be a bad idea if the lowest noise is your goal. However, there are other things the camera has that might swing the pendulum. However, Nikon, Pentax and Sony-Minolta's 10 megs have clear advantages over their 6 megapixel predecessors. Nikon, was the smartest concerning this because the D80 body is identical to the D50! They didn't even go the extra mile to adopt the superior D70 body for the D80. This has allowed them to keep costs at a bare minimum, only allowing for a new sensor. For that they get a nice price increase and it's possible and likely the new D80 is cheaper to build than the D70! The sensor's physical size remained the same, only the pixel count changed. Look for Nikon's profits to increase substantially because of this. Meanwhile, Olympus keeps (IMO) shooting themselves in the foot with their incoherent marketing, once again a step-behind the competition by releasing a 10 meg with refinements, to the European and Asian markets only. |
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Canon screwed themselves (or did they?)
Nikon have lost a huge amount of users. Although good manufactures, Canon
is the DSLR market share leader by far and there is a reason for that. "RichA" wrote in message oups.com... The consensus seems to be a jump from the 350 to the 400 isn't worth it from an image improvement perspective, and may actually be a bad idea if the lowest noise is your goal. However, there are other things the camera has that might swing the pendulum. However, Nikon, Pentax and Sony-Minolta's 10 megs have clear advantages over their 6 megapixel predecessors. Nikon, was the smartest concerning this because the D80 body is identical to the D50! They didn't even go the extra mile to adopt the superior D70 body for the D80. This has allowed them to keep costs at a bare minimum, only allowing for a new sensor. For that they get a nice price increase and it's possible and likely the new D80 is cheaper to build than the D70! The sensor's physical size remained the same, only the pixel count changed. Look for Nikon's profits to increase substantially because of this. Meanwhile, Olympus keeps (IMO) shooting themselves in the foot with their incoherent marketing, once again a step-behind the competition by releasing a 10 meg with refinements, to the European and Asian markets only. |
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Canon screwed themselves (or did they?)
"RichA" wrote in message oups.com... The consensus seems to be a jump from the 350 to the 400 isn't worth it from an image improvement perspective, and may actually be a bad idea if the lowest noise is your goal. However, there are other things the camera has that might swing the pendulum. However, Nikon, Pentax and Sony-Minolta's 10 megs have clear advantages over their 6 megapixel predecessors. Nikon, was the smartest concerning this because the D80 body is identical to the D50! They didn't even go the extra mile to adopt the superior D70 body for the D80. This has allowed them to keep costs at a bare minimum, only allowing for a new sensor. For that they get a nice price increase and it's possible and likely the new D80 is cheaper to build than the D70! The sensor's physical size remained the same, only the pixel count changed. Look for Nikon's profits to increase substantially because of this. Meanwhile, Olympus keeps (IMO) shooting themselves in the foot with their incoherent marketing, once again a step-behind the competition by releasing a 10 meg with refinements, to the European and Asian markets only. not all is in pixels. If you ask me, Canon could even stay at 8M and still gain. Maybe even more if that would casue lower noise. For majority 8M is too much still. But then again, that move would kill more expensive 30D... Other things matter. 20D and 30D were still very similar. Yet 30 is selling. Because 20D doesn't anymore. Same here. They (or will) stopped manufacturing 350D. It's an improvement. Not to replace existing 350 with it. But it's because development goes on. And, since, new, improved model MUST come out every year or so. Cars get more and more advanced. WIth more power. Yet many of us don't sell our existing and buy a new one jsut because new one have 8 HP more than ours. |
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On 8 Oct 2006 11:15:05 -0700, "RichA" wrote:
The consensus seems to be a jump from the 350 to the 400 isn't worth it from an image improvement perspective, This is true for almost any single product jump. Most people don't jump to a newer model (of anything) until there are 2 (or more) model upgrades. E.g. most camera owners didn't jump from 10d to 20d, but some did jump from 10d to 30d. Most didn't jump from 300d to 350d, but some did jump from 300d to 400d. Most didn't jump from G1 to G2, but some did jump from G1 to G3. Etc. (I don't know the Nikon product line well enough to give similar examples but I'm sure they exist there as well.) I own a Canon 1DMII, I'm not jumping to a 1DMIIN. That doesn't mean the N isn't a good camera - it is selling like hotcakes but I bet that most buyers are either A) replacing an older (than the 1DMII) body or B) are first-time buyers in the DSLR market. jc -- "The nice thing about a mare is you get to ride a lot of different horses without having to own that many." ~ Eileen Morgan of The Mare's Nest, PA |
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I have to agree "JC Dill".
"JC Dill" wrote in message ... On 8 Oct 2006 11:15:05 -0700, "RichA" wrote: This is true for almost any single product jump. Most people don't jump to a newer model (of anything) until there are 2 (or more) model upgrades. E.g. most camera owners didn't jump from 10d to 20d, but some did jump from 10d to 30d. Most didn't jump from 300d to 350d, but some did jump from 300d to 400d. Most didn't jump from G1 to G2, but some did jump from G1 to G3. Etc. (I don't know the Nikon product line well enough to give similar examples but I'm sure they exist there as well.) I own a Canon 1DMII, I'm not jumping to a 1DMIIN. That doesn't mean the N isn't a good camera - it is selling like hotcakes but I bet that most buyers are either A) replacing an older (than the 1DMII) body or B) are first-time buyers in the DSLR market. jc -- "The nice thing about a mare is you get to ride a lot of different horses without having to own that many." ~ Eileen Morgan of The Mare's Nest, PA |
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Canon screwed themselves (or did they?)
JC Dill wrote:
On 8 Oct 2006 11:15:05 -0700, "RichA" wrote: The consensus seems to be a jump from the 350 to the 400 isn't worth it from an image improvement perspective, This is true for almost any single product jump. Most people don't jump to a newer model (of anything) until there are 2 (or more) model upgrades. E.g. most camera owners didn't jump from 10d to 20d, but some did jump from 10d to 30d. Most didn't jump from 300d to 350d, but some did jump from 300d to 400d. Most didn't jump from G1 to G2, but some did jump from G1 to G3. Etc. (I don't know the Nikon product line well enough to give similar examples but I'm sure they exist there as well.) I own a Canon 1DMII, I'm not jumping to a 1DMIIN. That doesn't mean the N isn't a good camera - it is selling like hotcakes but I bet that most buyers are either A) replacing an older (than the 1DMII) body or B) are first-time buyers in the DSLR market. There are still several millions of people who will buy their first DSLR. Many of them, and some of us existing Canon shooters, are impressed by pixel counts. -- John McWilliams |
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Canon screwed themselves (or did they?)
Why don't you go screw yourself? |
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Randall Ainsworth wrote: Why don't you go screw yourself? Projecting? |
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Stu wrote: Nikon have lost a huge amount of users. Although good manufactures, Canon is the DSLR market share leader by far and there is a reason for that. I know Nikon has lost a lot of pro photographers, one pro can't be disadvantaged relative to another or it can cost them money. The D2Xs does not compare to the 1DsMkII or 5D image wise. But I wonder how many non-pro enthusiast Nikon users have actually jumped ship? |
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RichA wrote:
Nikon, was the smartest concerning this because the D80 body is identical to the D50! They didn't even go the extra mile to adopt the superior D70 body for the D80. This has allowed them to keep costs at a bare minimum, only allowing for a new sensor. For that they get a nice price increase and it's possible and likely the new D80 is cheaper to build than the D70! The sensor's physical size remained the same, only the pixel count changed. Look for Nikon's profits to increase substantially because of this. You have obviously never looked at a D50 and D80 side by side. |
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