Two questions

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

If the quality is that bad, the pirate will have few customers.

wrong.


You deny reality. Those who purchase a **** quality repro are not
likely to purchase a good quality on, at full price.

pirates don't purchase stuff. pirates copy *without* paying. that's the
whole point of pirating.

those who buy pirated stuff are stupid because they could just pirate
it themselves for free.

How?

bittorrent is the usual way.

Which is merely another way of having someone else pirate it for them.

no.

On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 01:49:02 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

If the quality is that bad, the pirate will have few customers.

wrong.


You deny reality. Those who purchase a **** quality repro are not
likely to purchase a good quality on, at full price.

pirates don't purchase stuff. pirates copy *without* paying. that's the
whole point of pirating.

those who buy pirated stuff are stupid because they could just pirate
it themselves for free.

How?

bittorrent is the usual way.

Which is merely another way of having someone else pirate it for them.

no.

Bittorrent is a communication protocol. Of itself it does not generate
new files. What it does is share files generated by others. In the
case you are discussing what is being shared is pirated files: pirated
by whoever first obtained the file for downloading. Somewhere,
somebody pirated the file and for you to argue otherwise is specious.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 9/27/2015 5:31 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 15:27:39 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 9/26/2015 6:07 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2015-09-26 16:22, PeterN wrote:
On 9/26/2015 10:42 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2015-09-26 05:08, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 00:00:18 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 15:45:37 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:

"The Cupertino giant has for months been said to be in talks with
major US studios in a bid to secure content for a streaming Apple
service. Compensation reportedly remains a sticking point."

I don't want to be accused of being an Apple basher, so I won't link
to it, but the very recent catfight between Aaron Sorkin and Tim Cook
didn't go well for Tim.

I hadn't heard of this until you mentioned it. While there are no
doubt some children in China assembling phones for 17 cents perhour
(and what else might they be doing without that?) the overall quality
of iPhones suggests there is a lot of automated assembly in their
construction.

There's a lot of touch labour at final assembly.

As to the child labour that's a failure of those suppliers and the
Chinese government who are very lax at enforcement.


Lax is an understatement.
What is really needed is for sellers in the importing countries to have
the moral courage to manufacture in compliant countries, preferably at
home.

If that were done, iPhone's wouldn't exist.

Not so sure. We need a level playing field.

There is no such thing, and never will be until the entropy death of
the universe.


Some companies like GE are moving manufacturing back to the US on some
large items. Mainly because they save costs in doing so. It works for
those items (washer/dryer/dishwasher) for a variety of reasons. That
model wouldn't work for small electronics, however.


sadly, you are right. My statement is a Utopian dream, in a perfect world..

How do you get on with the moral burden of depriving tens of thousands
of people of their only source of living? There are two sides to all
of these things.


Of course it's not realistic. But it is a goal to work towards. Part of
the answer is birth control. I will not gt further into that issue here.


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PeterN

On 9/27/2015 6:10 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

Lax is an understatement.
What is really needed is for sellers in the importing countries to have
the moral courage to manufacture in compliant countries, preferably at
home.

If that were done, iPhone's wouldn't exist.

Not so sure. We need a level playing field.

apple sells phones worldwide. why must they be made here? in fact the
majority of iphones are sold outside usa.

Just where did I say they must be made here.
Do learn to read with understanding, instead of your knee jerk
confrontational intervention in what was a polite discussion.


many of the parts, if not most of them, are not only made in the usa
but designed in the usa. only the final assembly is done in china.


What does that have to do with my comment.

foxconn makes nearly half of the world's electronics. there's a reason
for that and it's because the usa can't compete with manufacturing.

high tech products from apple and others have created millions of jobs
*in* the usa, something people completely ignore.

So should we bring back slavery. The slaveholders had a strong economy.
Are you saying that is morally OK?

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PeterN

On 9/27/2015 6:10 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

So one will need the Vividy device built in to their televisions.

at which point, a pirate can simply point a camera at the tv. it won't
be the best quality but pirates don't give a ****.

If the quality is that bad, the pirate will have few customers.

wrong.


You deny reality. Those who purchase a **** quality repro are not likely
to purchase a good quality on, at full price.

pirates don't purchase stuff. pirates copy *without* paying. that's the
whole point of pirating.

And, what's your point.

BTW In all cases, are the the sellers of pirated apps the same guys who
made the duplications, or do they buy them from the duplicators.


those who buy pirated stuff are stupid because they could just pirate
it themselves for free.


And you are stupid if you pay for an oil change, it's easy to do yourself.

pirates smuggle cameras into movie theaters to make illicit copies
which are then distributed. pirates do the same thing for concerts
using audio recorders.

the results are about the worst quality possible, especially when
someone stands up in front of the person with the camera.

You said the worst was making a copy of the flick from a TV. Now the
worst is in a movie theater. Which is it.

whoosh.

Just answer the question.
IOW once more you won't admit being wrong.
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PeterN

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

If the quality is that bad, the pirate will have few customers.

wrong.


You deny reality. Those who purchase a **** quality repro are not
likely to purchase a good quality on, at full price.

pirates don't purchase stuff. pirates copy *without* paying. that's the
whole point of pirating.

those who buy pirated stuff are stupid because they could just pirate
it themselves for free.

How?

bittorrent is the usual way.

Which is merely another way of having someone else pirate it for them.

no.

Bittorrent is a communication protocol. Of itself it does not generate
new files. What it does is share files generated by others. In the
case you are discussing what is being shared is pirated files: pirated
by whoever first obtained the file for downloading. Somewhere,
somebody pirated the file and for you to argue otherwise is specious.

it's not me who is arguing.

In article , PeterN
wrote:

those who buy pirated stuff are stupid because they could just pirate
it themselves for free.

And you are stupid if you pay for an oil change, it's easy to do yourself.

not the same thing at all.

On 9/28/2015 1:49 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

If the quality is that bad, the pirate will have few customers.

wrong.


You deny reality. Those who purchase a **** quality repro are not
likely to purchase a good quality on, at full price.

pirates don't purchase stuff. pirates copy *without* paying. that's the
whole point of pirating.

those who buy pirated stuff are stupid because they could just pirate
it themselves for free.

How?

bittorrent is the usual way.

Which is merely another way of having someone else pirate it for them.

no.


Another answer with a full explanation.


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PeterN

On 9/28/2015 12:31 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

those who buy pirated stuff are stupid because they could just pirate
it themselves for free.

And you are stupid if you pay for an oil change, it's easy to do yourself.

not the same thing at all.


Could that be because you know how to pirate, but you do not know haw to
do an oil change.
the principle is exactly the same, no matter how much you try to deny it.
Oh! I forgot,. You are trying to weasel out of another stupid statement.

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PeterN

In article ,
nospam wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

So one will need the Vividy device built in to their televisions.

at which point, a pirate can simply point a camera at the tv. it
won't
be the best quality but pirates don't give a ****.

If the quality is that bad, the pirate will have few customers.

wrong.


You deny reality. Those who purchase a **** quality repro are not likely
to purchase a good quality on, at full price.

pirates don't purchase stuff. pirates copy *without* paying. that's the
whole point of pirating.

those who buy pirated stuff are stupid because they could just pirate
it themselves for free.

How?

bittorrent is the usual way.

Bittorent can be used legally. I downloaded wikipedia the other week...
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teleportation kills