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A question about ISO on a hacked Canon dRebel
I've loaded the hacked code into my dRebel and it works fine, so far.
When I set ISO to 3200, is this done by bit shifting or analog amplification ? In some usenet group someone said that 800 _might_ be the fastest native speed of the sensor, and that 1600 was done by shifting bits, not by amplification. I'm sure I don't understand the pros and cons of either aproach. Amplification may just increase noise, shifting is at th eexpense of dynamic range, and still picks up noise. Right ? Comments ? -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. |
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"Al Dykes" wrote in message ... I've loaded the hacked code into my dRebel and it works fine, so far. When I set ISO to 3200, is this done by bit shifting or analog amplification ? In some usenet group someone said that 800 _might_ be the fastest native speed of the sensor, and that 1600 was done by shifting bits, not by amplification. I'm sure I don't understand the pros and cons of either aproach. Amplification may just increase noise, shifting is at th eexpense of dynamic range, and still picks up noise. Right ? I think it's a shift left which doubles the binary value and that would equal one f-stop. I have a 300D (not hacked) and have not found ISO 1600 to be all that useful. It's noisy and ISO 3200 would be worse. I also know that some DRebel users like ISO 1600 and 3200 and get decent results with noise reduction software ... just not to my liking. |
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Al Dykes wrote:
I've loaded the hacked code into my dRebel and it works fine, so far. When I set ISO to 3200, is this done by bit shifting or analog amplification ? In some usenet group someone said that 800 _might_ be the fastest native speed of the sensor, and that 1600 was done by shifting bits, not by amplification. I'm sure I don't understand the pros and cons of either aproach. Amplification may just increase noise, shifting is at th eexpense of dynamic range, and still picks up noise. Right ? Pretty much. I don't know how many stops of pre-A/D gain there are. Bit shifting (up) will 'noisify' shaddow detail and put high dynamic detail at risk of obliteration. You will get more quantization noise (the pattern created by unfiltered digital amplification) which may make smooth/dark areas look lumpy. Beyond the mechanics above, the s/w in the camera is also optimizing its conversions from the sensor reading when converting to JPG (and in the PC when converting from RAW to TIFF/JPG, etc.) These are very privy to the OEM. Minolta for example have something in the camera called: "CxProcess™ III Image Optimization" and there's no telling specifically what goes on in there... analogous signal processing takes place in pretty much all digital cameras. From the Minolta site: "Konica Minolta’s exclusive CxProcess III technology brings out the best from the Maxxum 7D’s 6.1-million effective pixel APS-C size CCD. CxProcess III optimizes color saturation, edge sharpness, and highlight/shadow contrast to ensure that colors are rendered true-to-life. CxProcess III also suppresses noise during slow-shutter imaging, and assures rich textural detail and spatial perspective for vivid yet natural reproduction of skin tones, clouds, and other subjects with delicate surface textures." Cheers, Alan -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch. |
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"Alan Browne" wrote in message ... Al Dykes wrote: From the Minolta site: "Konica Minolta’s exclusive CxProcess III technology brings out the best from the Maxxum 7D’s 6.1-million effective pixel APS-C size CCD. CxProcess III optimizes color saturation, edge sharpness, and highlight/shadow contrast to ensure that colors are rendered true-to-life. CxProcess III also suppresses noise during slow-shutter imaging, and assures rich textural detail and spatial perspective for vivid yet natural reproduction of skin tones, clouds, and other subjects with delicate surface textures." Cheers, Alan -- If you ever find yourself in one of those rare instances when you get the Minolta and a pair of Canon (20D and 1D,II) DSLRs together at the same time to compare the quality of output, you might discover a major contridiction in the quoted text. |
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"Al Dykes" wrote in message
... snip ..... In some usenet group someone said that 800 _might_ be the fastest native speed of the sensor, and that 1600 was done by shifting bits, not by amplification. a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m --------------- You might want to look at the D70 review in Dpreview where there are side by side comparisons of the resulting noise output between the D70 and the 300D (with normal firmware) are displayed. The "character" of the noise at 1600 is described as "blotchy" vs. more fine grained for the D70. This *might* confirm the comment made about the 800 native speed limitations. Regards, Don F |
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In message ,
"Charles Schuler" wrote: I have a 300D (not hacked) and have not found ISO 1600 to be all that useful. It's noisy and ISO 3200 would be worse. I also know that some DRebel users like ISO 1600 and 3200 and get decent results with noise reduction software ... just not to my liking. One reason why quality nose-dives at the higher ISOs is not just the noise itself; higher ISOs are often used in environments with poor *quality* lighting, not just low quantity lighting. There tends to be more shadows and highlights in indoor lighting, especially when the walls, floors and ceilings are dark, or spotlights are used. If you shoot ISO 1600 outdoors with good lighting, you might not even notice the noise until close inspection. -- John P Sheehy |
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