DAMN YOU, GOOGLE!

Steve wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:46:50 -0500, Ron Hunter
wrote:

Blinky the Shark wrote:
m II wrote:

I've been forwarding all of the Chinese garbage to

If everyone here and everywhere else started doing it, the idiots at
Google may get the message.
Wouldn't happen -- your complaints don't cut into their profits.

I wouldn't mind if the stupid spam were restricted to Google Users, but
the regular NNTP servers get the same garbage.

This group is getting unusable and my filter isn't too easy to adapt.
You *can't* filter them with TB. You can filter them this way:

http://improve-usenet.org/filters_ex2.html

Strange, I am filtering them with TB. Yes, I have to add something just
about every day, but it DOES work.

Having to add something just about every day isn't my definition of
working *well*. Take a look at the link above. I've been using
NewProxy for a weeks now and haven't had to add anything beyond the
first day when I filtered Message-Id's containing googlegroups. No
spam since.

Steev

Unfortunately, Googlegroups is NOT the only source of spam. I blocked
that easily the first time it appeared. Currently, the incidence of
spam from China is about to convince me to insist to my
congress-critters, that they make it clear that 'cyber-war' is a
sufficient cause to abrogate the 'most favored nation' trade status,
with the penalties that implies. Google is just an irritation, the
Chinese spam, and outright attacks from many sites, is far from 'just an
irritation', it is an attack.

Bruce W. Ellis wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 08:48:20 -0800, Blinky the Shark
wrote:

Steve wrote:

On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:46:50 -0500, Ron Hunter
wrote:

Blinky the Shark wrote:
m II wrote:

I've been forwarding all of the Chinese garbage to


If everyone here and everywhere else started doing it, the idiots at
Google may get the message.
Wouldn't happen -- your complaints don't cut into their profits.

I wouldn't mind if the stupid spam were restricted to Google Users,
but the regular NNTP servers get the same garbage.

This group is getting unusable and my filter isn't too easy to adapt.
You *can't* filter them with TB. You can filter them this way:

http://improve-usenet.org/filters_ex2.html

Strange, I am filtering them with TB. Yes, I have to add something just
about every day, but it DOES work.
Having to add something just about every day isn't my definition of
working *well*. Take a look at the link above. I've been using NewProxy
for a weeks now and haven't had to add anything beyond the first day when
I filtered Message-Id's containing googlegroups. No spam since.
Note that he's not really filtering on the Message-ID header. His TB will
no more filter on that header than your Free Agent will; he'd need a
solution like you're using -- a local server/proxy to pre-chew groups for
his client.

Since I started using NewsProxy, the spam has disappeared. Give it a
try.

Yes, and who has control of just WHAT is defined as spam? If YOU don't
have control of it, then you don't know just what ELSE you might not be
seeing, now do you? Thanks, but I will do my own driving....

Blinky the Shark wrote:
Ron Hunter wrote:

Blinky the Shark wrote:
m II wrote:

I've been forwarding all of the Chinese garbage to


If everyone here and everywhere else started doing it, the idiots at
Google may get the message.
Wouldn't happen -- your complaints don't cut into their profits.

I wouldn't mind if the stupid spam were restricted to Google Users, but
the regular NNTP servers get the same garbage.

This group is getting unusable and my filter isn't too easy to adapt.
You *can't* filter them with TB. You can filter them this way:

http://improve-usenet.org/filters_ex2.html

Strange, I am filtering them with TB. Yes, I have to add something just
about every day, but it DOES work.

No, you're *not* filtering GG posts via the Message-ID header. TB cannot
do that. You're using some other filtering, and that's *why* you have to
keep tweaking it instead of just sitting back letting a true GG filter do
its work. Even if you managed to plug in what *looks* like a Message-ID
rule for TB, TB is ignoring it -- it will *not* actually filter on that
header.


One filter ended the Google groups spam. Perhaps you don't know how to
use the filters in TB properly. I should mention that I have been using
them since they first were included in the program, and have become
quite good at defining them properly to get the result I want, limited
though they are.

On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:27:29 -0500, Ron Hunter
wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:46:50 -0500, Ron Hunter
wrote:

Blinky the Shark wrote:
m II wrote:

I've been forwarding all of the Chinese garbage to

If everyone here and everywhere else started doing it, the idiots at
Google may get the message.
Wouldn't happen -- your complaints don't cut into their profits.

I wouldn't mind if the stupid spam were restricted to Google Users, but
the regular NNTP servers get the same garbage.

This group is getting unusable and my filter isn't too easy to adapt.
You *can't* filter them with TB. You can filter them this way:

http://improve-usenet.org/filters_ex2.html

Strange, I am filtering them with TB. Yes, I have to add something just
about every day, but it DOES work.

Having to add something just about every day isn't my definition of
working *well*. Take a look at the link above. I've been using
NewProxy for a weeks now and haven't had to add anything beyond the
first day when I filtered Message-Id's containing googlegroups. No
spam since.

Steev

Unfortunately, Googlegroups is NOT the only source of spam. I blocked
that easily the first time it appeared. Currently, the incidence of
spam from China is about to convince me to insist to my
congress-critters, that they make it clear that 'cyber-war' is a
sufficient cause to abrogate the 'most favored nation' trade status,
with the penalties that implies. Google is just an irritation, the
Chinese spam, and outright attacks from many sites, is far from 'just an
irritation', it is an attack.

You should really try NewsProxy or something similar to filter by
Message-ID. If you did that you'd see that googlegroups really is the
only source of spam. I've not had a single China spam, or any other
kind that I've noticed, in at least the past week. The only time I
see it at all is when someone else responds to it and quotes the spam.

Steve

Ron Hunter wrote:
Unfortunately, Googlegroups is NOT the only source of spam. I blocked
that easily the first time it appeared. Currently, the incidence of
spam from China[...]
Google is just an irritation, the
Chinese spam, and outright attacks from many sites, is far from 'just an
irritation', it is an attack.

I suggest you check where all that "chinese spam" actually originates
from. You may be surprised that _VIRTUALLY ALL_ of it is posted via
GoogleGroups. This is trivially proven by e.g.
- the Message-ID suffix:
- the Organization: http://groups.google.com
- the User-Agent: G2/1.0
- the Path:
.....postnews.google.com!e10g2000prf.googlegroups. com!not-for-mail
and several other header fields.

Yes, there are a few spammers who use other news providers. But their
number is absolutely tiny compared to the flood coming from
GoogleGroups.

If you actually had blocked GoogleGroups, then you would see virtually
no spam at all. In particular all the chinese garbage would be filtered
out.
I think instead you are probably filtering on "gmail" accounts in the
From header. Those are easily faked. But more important they have
nothing to do with GoogleGroups except that both services are run by the
same company.
It's like not buying Canon cameras because a Canon photocopier ate your
term paper.

jue

Ron Hunter wrote: Steve wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:46:50 -0500, Ron Hunter
wrote:

Blinky the Shark wrote:
m II wrote:

I've been forwarding all of the Chinese garbage to
Now that is a big mistake.  You need to forward all of the chinese garbage to the Olympic committee

If everyone here and everywhere else started doing it, the idiots at
Google may get the message.
Wouldn't happen -- your complaints don't cut into their profits.
 
I wouldn't mind if the stupid spam were restricted to Google Users, but
the regular NNTP servers get the same garbage.

This group is getting unusable and my filter isn't too easy to adapt.
You *can't* filter them with TB.  You can filter them this way:

http://improve-usenet.org/filters_ex2.html

Strange, I am filtering them with TB.  Yes, I have to add something just about every day, but it DOES work.

Having to add something just about every day isn't my definition of
working *well*.  Take a look at the link above.  I've been using
NewProxy for a weeks now and haven't had to add anything beyond the
first day when I filtered Message-Id's containing googlegroups.  No
spam since.

Steev

Unfortunately, Googlegroups is NOT the only source of spam.  I blocked that easily the first time it appeared.  Currently, the incidence of spam from China is about to convince me to insist to my congress-critters, that they make it clear that 'cyber-war' is a sufficient cause to abrogate the 'most favored nation' trade status, with the penalties that implies.  Google is just an irritation, the Chinese spam, and outright attacks from many sites, is far from 'just an irritation', it is an attack.

On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:34:55 GMT, Steve wrote:


On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:46:50 -0500, Ron Hunter
wrote:

Blinky the Shark wrote:
m II wrote:

I've been forwarding all of the Chinese garbage to

If everyone here and everywhere else started doing it, the idiots at
Google may get the message.

Wouldn't happen -- your complaints don't cut into their profits.

I wouldn't mind if the stupid spam were restricted to Google Users, but
the regular NNTP servers get the same garbage.

This group is getting unusable and my filter isn't too easy to adapt.

You *can't* filter them with TB. You can filter them this way:

http://improve-usenet.org/filters_ex2.html

Strange, I am filtering them with TB. Yes, I have to add something just
about every day, but it DOES work.

Having to add something just about every day isn't my definition of
working *well*. Take a look at the link above. I've been using
NewProxy for a weeks now and haven't had to add anything beyond the
first day when I filtered Message-Id's containing googlegroups. No
spam since.

Steev


Same here. NewsProxy is awesome!

In article y7ZIj.15245$pb5.1593@edtnps89, m II wrote:

I've been forwarding all of the Chinese garbage to

If everyone here and everywhere else started doing it, the idiots at
Google may get the message.

I wouldn't mind if the stupid spam were restricted to Google Users, but
the regular NNTP servers get the same garbage.

This group is getting unusable and my filter isn't too easy to adapt.




mike

Google does not accept abuse complaints. None. It's years of that
attitude that has lead to such spam floods.

I just got switched from Supernews to Highwinds. I can no longer fetch
headers for filtering Google spam and I can't convince Highwinds of the
obvious need for a UDP. What a useless service.

--
Google - The top provider of Usenet spam and criminal activity.
Block Google and enjoy your Internet again.

Kevin McMurtrie wrote:

In article y7ZIj.15245$pb5.1593@edtnps89, m II wrote:

I've been forwarding all of the Chinese garbage to


If everyone here and everywhere else started doing it, the idiots at
Google may get the message.

I wouldn't mind if the stupid spam were restricted to Google Users, but
the regular NNTP servers get the same garbage.

This group is getting unusable and my filter isn't too easy to adapt.




mike

Google does not accept abuse complaints. None. It's years of that
attitude that has lead to such spam floods.

I just got switched from Supernews to Highwinds. I can no longer fetch
headers for filtering Google spam and I can't convince Highwinds of the
obvious need for a UDP. What a useless service.

Whoa, hoss! All you need is Message-ID. That's part of the flippin'
overview that filtering is first performed on.

That's not to say that your *client* can filter on it; I don't know
MT-NewsWatcher. Check in at news.software.readers for help with that.


--
Blinky
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
Blinky: http://blinkynet.net

Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
In article y7ZIj.15245$pb5.1593@edtnps89, m II wrote:

I've been forwarding all of the Chinese garbage to

If everyone here and everywhere else started doing it, the idiots at
Google may get the message.

I wouldn't mind if the stupid spam were restricted to Google Users, but
the regular NNTP servers get the same garbage.

This group is getting unusable and my filter isn't too easy to adapt.




mike

Google does not accept abuse complaints. None. It's years of that
attitude that has lead to such spam floods.

I just got switched from Supernews to Highwinds. I can no longer fetch
headers for filtering Google spam and I can't convince Highwinds of the
obvious need for a UDP. What a useless service.

Yes, my service provider also uses Highwinds, which I long ago decided
was useless, not to mention dead slow. I pay for Giganews. Well worth
the money.