Planning on buying Vista?

In article ,
Garrot wrote:

I was until I read this.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/index.php?p=116p://

Feh! Anyone who wants the features in Vista, sans the bugs and security
holes, can buy a Mac mini or iMac and run Mac OS X 10.4 now.

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:18:13 GMT, Rod Williams wrote:


So what happens when it crashes like all versions of microsoft's
operating systems due? What happens with a reinstall?

You can reinstall it but it is saying you can only move that license to
one new machine, after that you have to buy a new license.

Rod Williams wrote:
Garrot wrote:
I was until I read this.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/index.php?p=116p://

So what happens when it crashes like all versions of microsoft's
operating systems due? What happens with a reinstall?

Depends on how the license is actually interpreted.

I'm also worried about what happens when the hard drive
fails.

On the other hand I figure Win XP will be good for the next
two or three years. After that, depending on what Adobe does
with Photoshop and Dreamweaver, I'll either go to a Mac or
convert totally to Linux.

---- Paul J. Gans

Charles Schuler wrote:


So what happens when it crashes like all versions of microsoft's operating
systems due? What happens with a reinstall?

You can reinstall it once, and then you can pony up and buy another copy.
Just kidding as I have no idea how the geniuses at M$ are going to deal with
these situations.

Well, that's what the license seems to say. Reinstall it once.

I've often built my own machines (including the one I'm typing
on right now) and I've *never* gotten WinXP installed properly
the first time. It has often taken me three or four tries.

And I've never violated the license terms even though I've used
the same version on three different machines. (The two previous
ones are now running Linux.)

Looks like I won't be using Vista under its current conditions.

---- Paul J. Gans

"Paul J Gans" wrote in message
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Charles Schuler wrote:

So what happens when it crashes like all versions of microsoft's
operating
systems due? What happens with a reinstall?

You can reinstall it once, and then you can pony up and buy another
copy.
Just kidding as I have no idea how the geniuses at M$ are going to
deal with
these situations.

Well, that's what the license seems to say. Reinstall it once.

No, from the way I read it, it means you can alter the hardware once,
or transfer your license to a completely different computer once (read
through the PDF).

You can reinstall it on the same computer hardware as many times as
you wish, just like XP, and activate it as many times as you want.
There is no restriction there.

You just can't move it around like you can with XP - I've had my copy
of XP on three completely different computers in the last five years
as I've upgraded but kept my original copy of XP. I won't be able to
do that with Vista more than once, from what I gather.

Which ticks me off.

It's my license, I should be able to use it on any one computer I
want. Just as I can drive as many different cars as I want with my
drivers license, but only one at a time. The same should apply to
software.

If Micro$oft follows through with this licensing as I understand it,
it will be nothing more than forced multiple-licensing for the same
copy of software = money grab. I know the EU won't tolerate it, but
the NA dolts probably will (Billy is in bed with them).

Looks like I won't be using Vista under its current conditions.

I'm not happy about the massive resources that Vista requires either.
I don't like the sidebar toys, and I absolutely hate the spyware and
security software that was slapped on top to make stupid customers
feel warm and fuzzy. Vista is only slightly more secure than XP (uses
the same 2003 server code base!), but I'm sure businesses will flock
to it like kids to the candy floss at the circus.

Not a happy camper...

:-/

By the way, I love my camera.

:-)

(Doug Robbins) wrote:

Yes, I'm using Word 2000 without any pressing need to change

Pah! Call yourself old school? I'm still using Office '97! :-)

XP is a pretty good OS if you ask me. It just works, and works reliably.
I don't ask much more of an OS. My experiments with Vista on a spare PC
never got further than the "ooh, pretty" stage. Once that novelty wore
off I wandered around it for a while looking for reasons to get excited.

I'm still looking. At least, I would be if I could be bothered to turn
that PC on.

Andrew McP

"Bill Crocker" wrote in message
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"Garrot" wrote in message
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I was until I read this.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/index.php?p=116p://

I don't see any compelling reason to go with Vista anyway.

Same here. I wouldn't buy it for a year or so in any case, to give them time
to get the inevitable bugs out. But I really don't see any reason to buy it
at all. Nothing I've read about it is appealing, and this new licensing
scheme just makes it less so.

I think most users will be staying with Windows XP for a long time.

Neil

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 06:41:35 -0400, Rita Ä Berkowitz ritaberk2O04
@aol.com wrote:

Rod Williams wrote:

So what happens when it crashes like all versions of microsoft's
operating systems due? What happens with a reinstall?

Huh? My XP box runs 24/7/365 and doesn't crash or get shut off till I need
to make hardware changes. My DVD writer crapped out last year and I had to
shut it off to replace it. Most people that "crash" an XP installation are
using substandard hardware or an AMD based system.


Rita


Rubbish!!

I have used AMD for my last three desktops and two servers with no
problems whatsoever.As for substandard hardware, that's also rubbish.
Whilst I agree a lot does exist, even top of the range hardware can
fail.
So you only restart for hardware changes? what about updates?

Shawn Hirn wrote:
In article ,
Garrot wrote:

I was until I read this.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/index.php?p=116p://

Feh! Anyone who wants the features in Vista, sans the bugs and security
holes, can buy a Mac mini or iMac and run Mac OS X 10.4 now.


Only a partial solution, since in reality there
are apps for Win which have no counterpart in the
OS X world. That's why I have both WinXP and OS X
installed on this MacBook: Mostly use the latter,
but occasionally I *need* WinXP.

Re Vista: I hope not to upgrade from Xp to Vista.
Time will tell.

Phil

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http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/index.php?p=116p://

I don't see any compelling reason to go with Vista anyway.

Bill Crocker

That doesn't really matter. Microsoft will do what they did with 95
and 98. They put well thought out unnoticed obsolescence factors
into legitimate XP updates and will force you to eventually go to
Vista.

If that happens I'll just move back to Linux. I've used a recent
distribution of Linux and it worked very well! It has everything I'll ever
need for what I do. It has reached a point of being very user friendly, and
they even have a GUI that is a clone of XP, so you feel more comfortable if
necessary.

Bill Crocker