suggestions on upgrading to a new pc

In message , ray
writes
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:27:20 +0100, Chris H wrote:

In message , Bob Larter
writes
Ray Fischer wrote:
ray wrote:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:40:04 -0700, wrote:

looking for some input/suggestions on buying new pc.

im shooting with the 5d mark II ,raw files are big around 25 the mb
region
my current specs are below .

machine is slowing a bit around 1 1/2 yr old looking to upgrade to a
new one .

INTEL PENTIUM 4 3.20 GHZ
NVDIA GEFORCE 7800 GS
200 GG HD ATA
4 GB RAM
WINDOWS XP PRO
GATEWAY 24 IN HD MONITOR
calabrated with the xrite pro
Problem is not with the machine - problem is with the OS. You keep
mucking with MS it's going to keep running slower from the day you
install. Suggest you try Linux instead -
And using the computer will be slower from day one because you'll
have
to spend more time taking care of the OS.

With Linux? Are you kidding? One of the biggest advantages of Linux over
Windows is that you're not having to constantly tweak stuff to keep it
running at 100% efficiency.

So Linux has an autoupdate facility like Windows and OSX?

Who do you call for support on the particular version of linux you are
suggesting? I assume there is telephone support?

If you buy a commercial version, there certainly is.

Exactly. If I buy a PC it has windows on it for "free" so I have to buy
another OS and then get the same support as I did for the windows.

BTW I am in the UK is there a LOCAL UK (or any other country)number for
Redhat?

My computer has a local/UK number for support.


If you don't, there
are plenty of usenet groups

Problem is I can't get on line... (btw I have seen this problem where a
friend had to ask for help)

- generally they will help you sort out any
obsucre problems that might cropy up (though they generally don't) very
quickly

That is no always the case.

- much more expeditiously than MS help.

Not in my experience.


--
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

In message
..com, uncle ted writes
i should have added that i currently have cs4 and lightroom 2.4 as my
editing software.
thank you guys for all the replys, i can't read them all now im on my
lunch break ,ill read them tonight.

Stick with Windows. If you have problems with either of those apps and
call Adobe and tell then you are running Linux and an emulator they will
tell you they can't help! Their fist question will be are you on Windows
or OSX.... and a Windows emulator is not the answer.

BTW Linux is not an OS but a generic name for over 1000 different
versions of a base system. Versions of Linux come and go all the time.
Redhat and suse are two of the very few long stayers. Ubunto has not
been around long enough yet. I recall others that were going to save the
world a decade ago that are long gone.

Support for versions of Linux can disappear at any time. Not a problem
unless it is the one you have. At least MS continues support for their
older versions for many years after end of life. I still have a stable
win98 (that is a system over a decade old)


--
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

In message , ray
writes
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:01:20 -0700, uncle ted wrote:

i should have added that i currently have cs4 and lightroom 2.4 as my
editing software.
thank you guys for all the replys, i can't read them all now im on my
lunch break ,ill read them tonight.

You may find that GIMP and one of the Linux photo managers would meet
your needs without a great deal of inconvenience - or maybe not.

How is gimp an advantage when he had bought(?) CS4 and Lightroom?

--
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

In message ,
Giftzwerg writes
In article , says...

Problem is not with the machine - problem is with the OS. You keep
mucking with MS it's going to keep running slower from the day you
install. Suggest you try Linux instead - the performance will probably be
batter than you've seen with MS and it won't deteriorate.

Yeah. Great idea. Using Linux you won't have to stoop to using second-
rate image editing software like, oh, PhotoShop, Aperture, Lightroom ...
and the software that comes with your camera.

Briiiiiilliant.


In another thread some one said they could not use Nikon because their
Sw did not support Linux... Now that is taking religion too far. Basing
which photographic equipment to use on a computer OS!

--
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

In message , ray
writes
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:51:42 -0400, Giftzwerg wrote:

In article , says...

Problem is not with the machine - problem is with the OS. You keep
mucking with MS it's going to keep running slower from the day you
install. Suggest you try Linux instead - the performance will probably
be batter than you've seen with MS and it won't deteriorate.

Yeah. Great idea. Using Linux you won't have to stoop to using second-
rate image editing software like, oh, PhotoShop, Aperture, Lightroom ...
and the software that comes with your camera.

Briiiiiilliant.

I see you have not tried Linux recently and have no idea what is
available.

Photoshop, Lightroom and aperture run on linux? As neither Adobe and
Apple produce Linux versions the answer is "no"


--
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

In message , ray
writes
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:19:43 -0400, nospam wrote:

In article , ray
wrote:

Yeah. Great idea. Using Linux you won't have to stoop to using
second- rate image editing software like, oh, PhotoShop, Aperture,
Lightroom ... and the software that comes with your camera.

Briiiiiilliant.

I see you have not tried Linux recently and have no idea what is
available.

i see you haven't tried any of the listed applications. hint: nothing on
linux comes close.

One absolute undeniable advantage of Linux. You can try it out and SEE if
it meets your needs with minimal investment. An install will take about
20 minutes and an outlay of $0 cash.

How do I do that? I will either need a spare PC or remove windows from
my current PC, and then be able to put Windows and all the app back
again. That is either a lot of cost or a lot of time.



--
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

In article , ray
wrote:

Yeah. Great idea. Using Linux you won't have to stoop to using
second- rate image editing software like, oh, PhotoShop, Aperture,
Lightroom ... and the software that comes with your camera.

Briiiiiilliant.

I see you have not tried Linux recently and have no idea what is
available.

i see you haven't tried any of the listed applications. hint: nothing on
linux comes close.

One absolute undeniable advantage of Linux.

how is *not* being able to run photoshop and lightroom an *advantage*?

You can try it out and SEE if
it meets your needs with minimal investment. An install will take about
20 minutes and an outlay of $0 cash.

only if you want to erase your hard drive and then restore if it
doesn't work out, or buy a scratch hard drive on which to experiment.
the former may not cost any cash but it certainly costs time, and the
latter definitely does not cost $0.

it also takes a lot more than 20 minutes to properly evaluate it,
including finding the various alternatives for existing software the
user already *has* and learning how to use them.

On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:54:44 +0100, Chris H wrote:

In message , ray
writes
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:01:20 -0700, uncle ted wrote:

i should have added that i currently have cs4 and lightroom 2.4 as my
editing software.
thank you guys for all the replys, i can't read them all now im on my
lunch break ,ill read them tonight.

You may find that GIMP and one of the Linux photo managers would meet
your needs without a great deal of inconvenience - or maybe not.

How is gimp an advantage when he had bought(?) CS4 and Lightroom?

Suggest you go back and reread the OP. Those are problems which Linux
avoids. So it's quite obvious that using GIMP on Linux (if it meets his
requirements) would be a big advantage. Even more when he does not need
to upgrade versions in the near future.

In article , ray
wrote:

i should have added that i currently have cs4 and lightroom 2.4 as my
editing software.
thank you guys for all the replys, i can't read them all now im on my
lunch break ,ill read them tonight.

You may find that GIMP and one of the Linux photo managers would meet
your needs without a great deal of inconvenience - or maybe not.

How is gimp an advantage when he had bought(?) CS4 and Lightroom?

Suggest you go back and reread the OP. Those are problems which Linux
avoids.

it only 'avoids' it by not being able to run photoshop and lightroom at
all.

So it's quite obvious that using GIMP on Linux (if it meets his
requirements) would be a big advantage. Even more when he does not need
to upgrade versions in the near future.

big if. gimp is nowhere near what photoshop cs4 is. any why wouldn't he
need to upgrade?

On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:53:51 +0100, Chris H wrote:

In message
.com, uncle ted writes
i should have added that i currently have cs4 and lightroom 2.4 as my
editing software.
thank you guys for all the replys, i can't read them all now im on my
lunch break ,ill read them tonight.

Stick with Windows. If you have problems with either of those apps and
call Adobe and tell then you are running Linux and an emulator they will
tell you they can't help! Their fist question will be are you on Windows
or OSX.... and a Windows emulator is not the answer.

BTW Linux is not an OS but a generic name for over 1000 different
versions of a base system. Versions of Linux come and go all the time.
Redhat and suse are two of the very few long stayers. Ubunto has not
been around long enough yet. I recall others that were going to save the
world a decade ago that are long gone.

BTW - technically, you are wrong. Linux is the kernel. There are not
"over 1000 versions of a base system" either, according to
distrowatch.com, there are around 300 Linux distributions - so? You don't
need more than one (or possibly two - if you have significantly different
requirements on different computers - just like you might have a server
version of MS as well as a desktop version). Certainly versions of Linux
come and go - so do versions of MS. There are, however, many stable Linux
distributions which have been here for a while and will remain to be.


Support for versions of Linux can disappear at any time. Not a problem
unless it is the one you have. At least MS continues support for their
older versions for many years after end of life. I still have a stable
win98 (that is a system over a decade old)

I'm glad to hear that MS still supports your win98 - actually, I don't
believe it. If you'll note, no major Linux distribution has 'disappeared'
for some time. All that's necessary is to select one of the major players.
If you're going to comment on things you know nothing about it would be
good to at least get the terminology correct - it would camoflage some of
your ignorance.