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On Tue, 13 May 2014 01:35:27 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article 2014051222325836385-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:

If Apple made matte monitors I would probably buy those, but they
don't.

I have a matte display on one of my MBPs because I was averse to the
idea of a glossy screen.
When it came to get this iMac I bit the bullet and got the dreaded
glossy screen. Once I sat in front of it and calibrated it with my
trusty Pantone Huey Pro, the glossy screen was a non-issue.

it is a non-issue.

Maybe for you, but not for me.

I am able to print using my Epson R2880 on a great variety of papers
including several matte papers from Epson and Red River Papers. I use
the appropriate paper/printer profiles and I have no issues proofing
with the glossy screen. My glossy screen paranoia was unfounded and I
suspect that yours might turn out to be just as unfounded, if you took
that plunge.

yep.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Mon, 12 May 2014 17:50:20 -0400, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2014.05.11, 05:59 , Eric Stevens wrote:

My thinking is influenced in part by the amount of time my present
computer spends being bogged down with software updates and some very
large backups etc which run in the background. I don't know how the
overhead in OSX compares with Windows but I would certainly like a
machine which doesn't run cold every time someone turns on a tap in
the kitchen. Early days yet: I'm not going to do anything in a hurry.

Macs don't tend to bog down while doing backups (I do incrementals every
4 hours and never notice that they are going on) or updates. I can run
OS X, Windows and Linux simultaneously and doing various things on each
and there is no perceptible lag anywhere unless they are sharing a disk
a lot at the same time.

If a given app is bogged down, it will beachball when the cursor is over
it - but other apps will continue without issue. It is very rare to
have a completely hung system (once per year - maybe).

A testament to stability, I usually go weeks to months without
restarting the computer. (Usually forced to restart due to some OS or
software updates).

The Mac Pro would be a mistake because all the value is in the GPU's -
and those won't help you with your particular tasks.

I'm more confident than I was that my GPU is working right at it's
limit and is responsible for the crashes, lockups etc I have
experienced.

I've just discussed my situation with Apple and they have told me a
little of the internals of the Mac Mini. It's clear that it's not up
to what I would be demanding of it. As people have just pointed out,
it's a big jump up to the price of a Mac Pro but that seems the only
way to go with Mac if I don't want to use the Mac glossy screens.

The answer may merely be to replace my GPU with something with more
grunt. Head scratching is going to follow.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I've just discussed my situation with Apple and they have told me a
little of the internals of the Mac Mini. It's clear that it's not up
to what I would be demanding of it. As people have just pointed out,
it's a big jump up to the price of a Mac Pro but that seems the only
way to go with Mac if I don't want to use the Mac glossy screens.

what exactly do you want to do with it?

because from what you've said so far, a mini or imac would work out
just fine and since you want to use the displays you have, the mini
would be the preferable of those two.

however, if you do get a mac pro, you should get twin 4k displays to go
with it.

The answer may merely be to replace my GPU with something with more
grunt. Head scratching is going to follow.

could be.

On 5/13/2014 6:57 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2014 17:50:20 -0400, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2014.05.11, 05:59 , Eric Stevens wrote:

My thinking is influenced in part by the amount of time my present
computer spends being bogged down with software updates and some very
large backups etc which run in the background. I don't know how the
overhead in OSX compares with Windows but I would certainly like a
machine which doesn't run cold every time someone turns on a tap in
the kitchen. Early days yet: I'm not going to do anything in a hurry.

Macs don't tend to bog down while doing backups (I do incrementals every
4 hours and never notice that they are going on) or updates. I can run
OS X, Windows and Linux simultaneously and doing various things on each
and there is no perceptible lag anywhere unless they are sharing a disk
a lot at the same time.

If a given app is bogged down, it will beachball when the cursor is over
it - but other apps will continue without issue. It is very rare to
have a completely hung system (once per year - maybe).

A testament to stability, I usually go weeks to months without
restarting the computer. (Usually forced to restart due to some OS or
software updates).

The Mac Pro would be a mistake because all the value is in the GPU's -
and those won't help you with your particular tasks.

I'm more confident than I was that my GPU is working right at it's
limit and is responsible for the crashes, lockups etc I have
experienced.

I've just discussed my situation with Apple and they have told me a
little of the internals of the Mac Mini. It's clear that it's not up
to what I would be demanding of it. As people have just pointed out,
it's a big jump up to the price of a Mac Pro but that seems the only
way to go with Mac if I don't want to use the Mac glossy screens.

The answer may merely be to replace my GPU with something with more
grunt. Head scratching is going to follow.


Neither a GPU, not memory is that expensive. I would add another 4-8 gig
.. You don't need a gaming GPu for PS, but should have one with a
reasonable amount of on board memory. e.g. my Lenovo T430 laptop with
12 g memory handles the RAW files from my D800, without a lot of lag.
Smart Sharpen is a tad slow, but that's about it.


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PeterN

On Tue, 13 May 2014 22:27:19 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 5/13/2014 6:57 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2014 17:50:20 -0400, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2014.05.11, 05:59 , Eric Stevens wrote:

My thinking is influenced in part by the amount of time my present
computer spends being bogged down with software updates and some very
large backups etc which run in the background. I don't know how the
overhead in OSX compares with Windows but I would certainly like a
machine which doesn't run cold every time someone turns on a tap in
the kitchen. Early days yet: I'm not going to do anything in a hurry.

Macs don't tend to bog down while doing backups (I do incrementals every
4 hours and never notice that they are going on) or updates. I can run
OS X, Windows and Linux simultaneously and doing various things on each
and there is no perceptible lag anywhere unless they are sharing a disk
a lot at the same time.

If a given app is bogged down, it will beachball when the cursor is over
it - but other apps will continue without issue. It is very rare to
have a completely hung system (once per year - maybe).

A testament to stability, I usually go weeks to months without
restarting the computer. (Usually forced to restart due to some OS or
software updates).

The Mac Pro would be a mistake because all the value is in the GPU's -
and those won't help you with your particular tasks.

I'm more confident than I was that my GPU is working right at it's
limit and is responsible for the crashes, lockups etc I have
experienced.

I've just discussed my situation with Apple and they have told me a
little of the internals of the Mac Mini. It's clear that it's not up
to what I would be demanding of it. As people have just pointed out,
it's a big jump up to the price of a Mac Pro but that seems the only
way to go with Mac if I don't want to use the Mac glossy screens.

The answer may merely be to replace my GPU with something with more
grunt. Head scratching is going to follow.


Neither a GPU, not memory is that expensive. I would add another 4-8 gig
. You don't need a gaming GPu for PS, but should have one with a
reasonable amount of on board memory. e.g. my Lenovo T430 laptop with
12 g memory handles the RAW files from my D800, without a lot of lag.
Smart Sharpen is a tad slow, but that's about it.

Just as an update, I have learned that the cheapest locally available
suitable GPU is an enormous advance upon that built into my machine
and will increase the load on my power supply by some 190 watts. This
will be pushing it close to its limits and may require its
replacement.

GPU NZ$500 or thereabouts.
P/S NZ$160 or thereabouts.

Plus another 8Gb RAM about NZ$110 making a total of NZ$770 which is
approximately US$670. If I need to buy a full matched set of RAM it
will bring it up to NZ$880 or US$765.

Is it worth it? I'll have to go away and think.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens