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  #31  
Old October 29th 18, 11:12 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Ken Hart[_4_]
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Default Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.

On 10/28/18 9:32 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 13:46:32 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

On Sunday, 28 October 2018 15:10:30 UTC-4, Savageduck wrote:
On 2018-10-28 17:29:20 +0000, David Taylor
said:

On 28/10/2018 16:51, Savageduck wrote:
[]
Rich, why don’t you post your Windows bitching, and stuff to a Windows NG
where it belongs, not to r.p.d. where it is off topic?

The last time you did this on October 8, the result was a major pollution of
296 OT posts in r.p.d., and your only post in the thread was the first one.

I agree in general, but DC/DVD drives are something photographers might
use, aren't they?

The last time I used a CD/DVD for any sort of image file
sharing/archiving was over 15 years ago. The last time I used a Windows
machine was at work in February 2009, and then I retired.

--
Regards,

Savageduck


You people have a weird belief in the reliability of cloud or solid state memory. You know what some of the most reliable storage has proven to be? magnetic TAPE.


That was never my experience.


Store a magnetic tape near a magnet and see what happens.
You want reliability? You want punched paper tape! I have some programs
that I wrote back in college in the 1970's, and the paper tape is still
in good condition. Now where did I put that ASR-33 teletype?


--
Ken Hart

  #32  
Old October 29th 18, 11:35 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.

In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

I agree in general, but DC/DVD drives are something photographers might
use, aren't they?

The last time I used a CD/DVD for any sort of image file
sharing/archiving was over 15 years ago. The last time I used a Windows
machine was at work in February 2009, and then I retired.

You people have a weird belief in the reliability of cloud or solid state
memory.


either of those is *significantly* more reliable than a cd/dvd, which
are among the least reliable of any storage media.


No. I have tons. I re-write after 5 - 6 years, but I've kept some
"test" DVD's that are readable after over 10 years.


that doesn't mean every disc will last.

i recently migrated old discs to a server. some took a few minutes to
read, while some took around a half hour, clearly retrying due to
degradation. a few were unreadable. i lost data.

Storage conditions
(cool, dry, dark) are essential. No parts to fail either. Readers are
cheap and will be available (even if used) for a very long time.


the dyes degrade over time.

A cloud account could go poof and SSM could fail electronically.


anything can go poof.

amazon, apple, google, microsoft, dropbox and many others aren't going
to go poof any time soon.

cloud services sell reliability and have *far* more resources than any
single person could ever do on their own. the limiting factor is
bandwidth. it takes a while to transfer terabytes, but some accept
and/or offer seed drives.

Even a CD/DVD with some bad areas will be readable in most other areas.


unless it's the directory, rendering the entire disc unreadable, but
regardless, *any* data loss is unacceptable, no matter how small.

murphy's law means the 'bad area' will contain the file you actually
want to access.

tl;dr discs are *not* archival.
  #33  
Old October 29th 18, 11:35 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.

In article , Ken Hart
wrote:

Store a magnetic tape near a magnet and see what happens.


why would anyone willingly do that?

You want reliability? You want punched paper tape!


except in a fire...

I have some programs
that I wrote back in college in the 1970's, and the paper tape is still
in good condition.


you're going to need a lot more than just the tapes for those programs
to be of any use, namely a pdp-8 computer.

Now where did I put that ASR-33 teletype?


in the basement.

and you don't need an asr-33 to read it either:
https://techcrunch.com/2011/10/21/fo...pe-reader-to-y
our-pc/
  #34  
Old October 29th 18, 11:47 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Tony Cooper[_2_]
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Default Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:00:10 -0400, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2018-10-28 17:13, nospam wrote:
In article ,
RichA wrote:

I agree in general, but DC/DVD drives are something photographers might
use, aren't they?

The last time I used a CD/DVD for any sort of image file
sharing/archiving was over 15 years ago. The last time I used a Windows
machine was at work in February 2009, and then I retired.

You people have a weird belief in the reliability of cloud or solid state
memory.


either of those is *significantly* more reliable than a cd/dvd, which
are among the least reliable of any storage media.


No. I have tons. I re-write after 5 - 6 years, but I've kept some
"test" DVD's that are readable after over 10 years. Storage conditions
(cool, dry, dark) are essential. No parts to fail either. Readers are
cheap and will be available (even if used) for a very long time.

A cloud account could go poof and SSM could fail electronically.

Even a CD/DVD with some bad areas will be readable in most other areas.


Just consider yourself lucky that we have nospam around to tell us
what works for us shouldn't work.
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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
  #35  
Old October 30th 18, 12:25 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
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Default Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.

On Oct 29, 2018, Ken Hart wrote
(in article ):

On 10/28/18 9:32 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 13:46:32 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

On Sunday, 28 October 2018 15:10:30 UTC-4, Savageduck wrote:
On 2018-10-28 17:29:20 +0000, David Taylor
said:

On 28/10/2018 16:51, Savageduck wrote:
[]
Rich, why don’t you post your Windows bitching, and stuff to a
Windows NG where it belongs, not to r.p.d. where it is off topic?

The last time you did this on October 8, the result was a major
pollution of 296 OT posts in r.p.d., and your only post in the thread was the first
one.

I agree in general, but DC/DVD drives are something photographers might
use, aren't they?

The last time I used a CD/DVD for any sort of image file
sharing/archiving was over 15 years ago. The last time I used a Windows
machine was at work in February 2009, and then I retired.

You people have a weird belief in the reliability of cloud or solid state
memory. You know what some of the most reliable storage has proven to be?
magnetic TAPE.


That was never my experience.


Store a magnetic tape near a magnet and see what happens.
You want reliability? You want punched paper tape! I have some programs
that I wrote back in college in the 1970's, and the paper tape is still
in good condition. Now where did I put that ASR-33 teletype?


Where are petroglyphs when you need them?

--
Regards,
Savageduck

  #36  
Old October 30th 18, 12:42 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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Default Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 06:56:55 +0000, David Taylor
wrote:

On 29/10/2018 04:29, Eric Stevens wrote:
[]
Now you tell me.

I'm currently trying to make my two Windows 10 computer _each_ talk to
the other. Corsair gets on fine with Dell but rejects Dell whenever
Dell tries to talk back. The instructions on line sound as though they
were written by those guys.


Check:

Share/directory/file security
Network public/private
Network discovery
Try IP addresses rather than names


Done all that. My problem is that any attempt of Dell to contact
Corsair gets a response of "You are not authorised to ... " or words
to that effect. I've been through all the settings that I (and others)
can think of and they are identical on both machines. Yet Corsair is
succesful in contacting Dell while Dell is unsuccesful in getting a
useful response from Corsair. The problem may lie in the fact that
Corsair is W10 Home while Dell is W10 Pro.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens
  #37  
Old October 30th 18, 12:06 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
David Taylor
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Default Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.

On 29/10/2018 23:42, Eric Stevens wrote:
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Done all that. My problem is that any attempt of Dell to contact
Corsair gets a response of "You are not authorised to ... " or words
to that effect. I've been through all the settings that I (and others)
can think of and they are identical on both machines. Yet Corsair is
succesful in contacting Dell while Dell is unsuccesful in getting a
useful response from Corsair. The problem may lie in the fact that
Corsair is W10 Home while Dell is W10 Pro.


I have Win-10 Pro PCs here happily accessing Win-10 Home ones, so that
is not exclusively the problem. You might want to look at disabling
password protected sharing, or using the correct username and password
with the share, for example:

NET USE X: \\server\share password /USER:username

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David
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  #38  
Old October 30th 18, 12:43 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Neil[_9_]
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Default Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.

On 10/28/2018 3:56 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Oct 28, 2018, Bill W wrote
(in ):

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 09:51:03 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

Did you happen to notice that deal for Capture One with Fuji Cameras?
I can't remember all the details, but I think you get lifetime Capture
One with a one-time $200 payment. There's more to it, but I also think
it's limited to working with Fuji photos.


What they have is *Free* Capture One Express Fujifilm which is not fully
featured, and which i have been playing with. Then there is the fully
featured Capture One Pro Fujifilm $199.

https://www.phaseone.com/en/Capture-One/Capture-One-Fujifilm.aspx

There is also a Sony only version.

So, now that 20% of the responses in this topic are yours, perhaps you
could retract your original complaint? ;-)

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best regards,

Neil
  #39  
Old October 30th 18, 02:04 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
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Default Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.

On Oct 30, 2018, Neil wrote
(in article ):

On 10/28/2018 3:56 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Oct 28, 2018, Bill W wrote
(in ):

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 09:51:03 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

Did you happen to notice that deal for Capture One with Fuji Cameras?
I can't remember all the details, but I think you get lifetime Capture
One with a one-time $200 payment. There's more to it, but I also think
it's limited to working with Fuji photos.


What they have is *Free* Capture One Express Fujifilm which is not fully
featured, and which i have been playing with. Then there is the fully
featured Capture One Pro Fujifilm $199.

https://www.phaseone.com/en/Capture-One/Capture-One-Fujifilm.aspx

There is also a Sony only version.

So, now that 20% of the responses in this topic are yours, perhaps you
could retract your original complaint? ;-)


Naah!

My original complaint regarding Rich’s off topic Windows posts is still
valid. All the Bill W thread drift to a Capture One & Fujifilm question did
was bring things on topic for r.p.d. and I responded to that. Note that in
that digression there was no mention of Windows.

As for my post directly in response to RichA bitching about subject change,
there was no content at all.

Now what do you have to say regarding Capture One & Fujifilm?

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Regards,
Savageduck

  #40  
Old October 30th 18, 05:21 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Neil[_9_]
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Default Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.

On 10/30/2018 9:04 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On Oct 30, 2018, Neil wrote
(in article ):

On 10/28/2018 3:56 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Oct 28, 2018, Bill W wrote
(in ):

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 09:51:03 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

Did you happen to notice that deal for Capture One with Fuji Cameras?
I can't remember all the details, but I think you get lifetime Capture
One with a one-time $200 payment. There's more to it, but I also think
it's limited to working with Fuji photos.

What they have is *Free* Capture One Express Fujifilm which is not fully
featured, and which i have been playing with. Then there is the fully
featured Capture One Pro Fujifilm $199.

https://www.phaseone.com/en/Capture-One/Capture-One-Fujifilm.aspx

There is also a Sony only version.

So, now that 20% of the responses in this topic are yours, perhaps you
could retract your original complaint? ;-)


Naah!

My original complaint regarding Rich’s off topic Windows posts is still
valid. All the Bill W thread drift to a Capture One & Fujifilm question did
was bring things on topic for r.p.d. and I responded to that. Note that in
that digression there was no mention of Windows.

As for my post directly in response to RichA bitching about subject change,
there was no content at all.

Now what do you have to say regarding Capture One & Fujifilm?

All topics have drift if they're long enough, and it's a safe bet that
much of the content will have little to do with the primary focus of the
newsgroup. While I don't think Rich's perspective toward Windows is
either accurate or useful, his comment was aimed at storage, which is
relevant to any newsgroup dedicated to acquiring digital data of any kind.

As I don't have a Fujifilm camera, apps dedicated to them have little
interest to me, but I don't have a problem with those who find it useful
information, even if it hijacked the topic. ;-)

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best regards,

Neil
 




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