As the "S/S Olympus 4/3rds" ship sinks, (Olympus abandoned it), the crew get more violent!

Really?

four thirds must be outselling FF DSLR ten to one by now...

"RichA" wrote in message
...
4/3rds sensors are fine for ultra compact cameras, but if you are
going to put up with a normal sized DSLR, you might as well have a
sensor size that makes sense, APS or FF. Meanwhile, the lame and now
dead (owing to pixel number growth in APS and FF) arguments about
"equivalency" can't even stop the boat from going down....

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=36450108

On 9/28/2010 8:18 AM, Brucie the blusterer wrote:
wrote:
On Sep 28, 5:52 am, wrote:
wrote:
Nikon and Canon have nothing to compete with the micro 4/3rds or Sony
NEX cameras.

Not yet.

In 2011, they will, and they will revolutionise the micro format. In
particular, Canon's offering will make all other micro systems look
very dull.

All they have to do is put a 4/3rds size sensor into a G12 and add a
bayonet.


If they did that, they would be offering nothing new.

Fortunately, Canon's plans are for something very different.


Are you inside Canon people formerly Olympus people?
And tell us oh great prognosticator, does Nikon plan the same thing?

I know you won't answer as you claim you killfiled me. Oh! how
heartbreaking. How convenient, you can't be called on your bluster. You
sound just like Brucie the blusterer from another group.


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Peter

On 9/28/2010 6:08 PM, RichA wrote:
On Sep 28, 8:25 am, wrote:
On 9/28/2010 8:18 AM, Brucie the blusterer wrote:



wrote:
On Sep 28, 5:52 am, wrote:
wrote:
Nikon and Canon have nothing to compete with the micro 4/3rds or Sony
NEX cameras.

Not yet.

In 2011, they will, and they will revolutionise the micro format. In
particular, Canon's offering will make all other micro systems look
very dull.

All they have to do is put a 4/3rds size sensor into a G12 and add a
bayonet.

If they did that, they would be offering nothing new.

Fortunately, Canon's plans are for something very different.

Are you inside Canon people formerly Olympus people?
And tell us oh great prognosticator, does Nikon plan the same thing?

I know you won't answer as you claim you killfiled me. Oh! how
heartbreaking. How convenient, you can't be called on your bluster. You
sound just like Brucie the blusterer from another group.

--
Peter

Well, both Canon and Nikon have something on the drawing board, but I
reiterate my objection to them that they let others build the market,
do the innovating while they sit on the sidelines waiting to introduce
likely better, but purely derivative products.

They always have something on the drawing boards. The timing of the
release will be dictated by business motives. Besides, even if you are
correct, it's smart business to let someone else build the market. Saves
a lot of money.


--
Peter

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:18:25 +0100, Bruce wrote:
: RichA wrote:
: On Sep 28, 5:52*am, Bruce wrote:
: RichA wrote:
: Nikon and Canon have nothing to compete with the micro 4/3rds or Sony
: NEX *cameras.
:
: Not yet. *
:
: In 2011, they will, and they will revolutionise the micro format. *In
: particular, Canon's offering will make all other micro systems look
: very dull.
:
: All they have to do is put a 4/3rds size sensor into a G12 and add a
: bayonet.
:
:
: If they did that, they would be offering nothing new.
:
: Fortunately, Canon's plans are for something very different.

One has to assume you're just guessing. Otherwise, you'd be in violation of
your non-disclosure agreement and would probably never receive any advance
information again. You wouldn't take that risk just to show off here.

Bob

On Sat, 02 Oct 2010 19:45:45 +0100, Bruce wrote:
: Robert Coe wrote:
: On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:18:25 +0100, Bruce wrote:
: : Fortunately, Canon's plans are for something very different.
:
: One has to assume you're just guessing. Otherwise, you'd be in violation of
: your non-disclosure agreement and would probably never receive any advance
: information again. You wouldn't take that risk just to show off here.
:
:
: Yes, of course I'm guessing, but based on two independent sources. One
: was the very detailed rumour that originated in China and has been
: very widely publicised. The other is less detailed, but probably a
: lot more credible, from a long established UK based Canon dealer who
: has recently returned from a visit to Canon in Japan and discussed
: future products while he was there.
:
: Both suggested a sensor that is more or less the same size as Four
: Thirds, but with a 3:2 aspect ratio. I can't get any more details out
: of the Canon dealer, who would obviously be a more reliable source of
: information, because *he* has signed an NDA, not me. It is a long
: time since I signed one with a manufacturer or importer of camera
: equipment. Clients are a different matter.

So assuming that's all true, let's try to extrapolate a little. The 60D is in
many respects a dumbed down 50D and in other respects a clone of the T2i. No
current 50D owner is going to buy it (we're all eyeing the 7D or 8D anyway),
but it threatens to render the T2i obsolete before the latter even reaches its
first birthday. A plausible inference is that there will never be a T3i.
Indeed, the putative pseudo Four-Thirds ("Three-Halves"?) camera(s) might
constitute a replacement for the whole Rebel product line, and possibly the G
series as well (i.e., no G-13). It could serve as a whole new form of bridge
camera with the potential to encroach upwards or downwards on Canon's other
lines if it sells well and to gracefully shrink out of existence if it
doesn't.

If you're with me this far, I'll throw out a few questions for discussion:

- Will the new cameras accept at least Canon's existing EF-S lenses? If so,
3rd-party vendors like Sigma and Tamron should happily roll with the punch. If
not, or if Canon decides to maintain compatibility but provide the new cameras
with their own, more cost-effective lens series, the 3rd parties could be
royally screwed.

- How will they be regarded by Rich Anderson and Supy the Troll? Each will
have to decide, from their radically different points of view, whether to love
the new line or hate it. How they come to their decisions, and what they
decide, could affect the entertainment level of the photography newsgroups for
months or years to come.

- Are there more shoes that have to drop? Assuming they stop making the 50D,
there's a rather large price and performance gap between the 60D and the 7D.
Those hoping for a more powerful 50D or a cheaper 7D are left hanging so far.
To stay in the game with Nikon's various new models, Canon has to see that as
a problem to be addressed.

Bob

Bruce wrote:

Why buy a D300s with only 12 MP when you can get a 16 MP D7000 for
less money?

These 4 MPix, do you think they improve my image?

-Wolfgang

On 10/6/2010 6:42 AM, Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
wrote:

Why buy a D300s with only 12 MP when you can get a 16 MP D7000 for
less money?

These 4 MPix, do you think they improve my image?

Yes.

On 2010-10-06 08:25:01 -0700, SMS said:

On 10/6/2010 6:42 AM, Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
wrote:

Why buy a D300s with only 12 MP when you can get a 16 MP D7000 for
less money?

These 4 MPix, do you think they improve my image?

Yes.

Snicker! Snnmmph! Choke!

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Regards,

Savageduck