"You're so ugly, you could be a modern-art masterpiece!"

On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 06:45:29 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote:

Will all due credit to the writers of "Full Metal Jacket."

http://4.s.img-dpreview.com/files/ne...p01.jpg?v=1322

A Jeep is ugly compared to a Ferrari, does a better job
under some conditions.

Irwell writes:

On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 06:45:29 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote:

Will all due credit to the writers of "Full Metal Jacket."

http://4.s.img-dpreview.com/files/ne...p01.jpg?v=1322

A Jeep is ugly compared to a Ferrari, does a better job
under some conditions.

Well, "pretty" and "ugly" are aesthetic matters, hence they're matters
of personal taste.

There's absolutely no question that a Jeep does a better job under some
conditions, though. (Or the Ferrari in others.)

Are there any conditions (not so super-specific as to be mere stunts)
where there's serious question which of those two would do better?
--
David Dyer-Bennet, ; http://dd-b.net/
Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/
Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/
Dragaera: http://dragaera.info

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:17:13 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Irwell writes:

On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 06:45:29 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote:

Will all due credit to the writers of "Full Metal Jacket."

http://4.s.img-dpreview.com/files/ne...p01.jpg?v=1322

A Jeep is ugly compared to a Ferrari, does a better job
under some conditions.

Well, "pretty" and "ugly" are aesthetic matters, hence they're matters
of personal taste.

There's absolutely no question that a Jeep does a better job under some
conditions, though. (Or the Ferrari in others.)

Are there any conditions (not so super-specific as to be mere stunts)
where there's serious question which of those two would do better?

Driving through London. (I think the Ferrari's clutch would start to
complain.)

Regards,

Eric Stevens

Eric Stevens writes:

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:17:13 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Irwell writes:

On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 06:45:29 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote:

Will all due credit to the writers of "Full Metal Jacket."

http://4.s.img-dpreview.com/files/ne...p01.jpg?v=1322

A Jeep is ugly compared to a Ferrari, does a better job
under some conditions.

Well, "pretty" and "ugly" are aesthetic matters, hence they're matters
of personal taste.

There's absolutely no question that a Jeep does a better job under some
conditions, though. (Or the Ferrari in others.)

Are there any conditions (not so super-specific as to be mere stunts)
where there's serious question which of those two would do better?

Driving through London. (I think the Ferrari's clutch would start to
complain.)

That might be the right idea. Jeep is too big, Ferrari doesn't like the
stop and go? (Although many of the jeeps do have quite small turning
circles.)

--
David Dyer-Bennet, ; http://dd-b.net/
Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/
Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/
Dragaera: http://dragaera.info

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:41:58 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Eric Stevens writes:

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:17:13 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Irwell writes:

On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 06:45:29 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote:

Will all due credit to the writers of "Full Metal Jacket."

http://4.s.img-dpreview.com/files/ne...p01.jpg?v=1322

A Jeep is ugly compared to a Ferrari, does a better job
under some conditions.

Well, "pretty" and "ugly" are aesthetic matters, hence they're matters
of personal taste.

There's absolutely no question that a Jeep does a better job under some
conditions, though. (Or the Ferrari in others.)

Are there any conditions (not so super-specific as to be mere stunts)
where there's serious question which of those two would do better?

Driving through London. (I think the Ferrari's clutch would start to
complain.)

That might be the right idea. Jeep is too big, Ferrari doesn't like the
stop and go? (Although many of the jeeps do have quite small turning
circles.)

"Jeep is too big"?

I guess I'm showing my age. I meant a proper Jeep as in
http://www.homiefm.de/fotos/thementa..._Army_Jeep.jpg
but when I went sewarch Google images for a picture of a proper Jeep I
found all kinds of bloated SUVs masquerading under that name. At least
I didn't see a Hummer.

Regards,

Eric Stevens

Eric Stevens writes:

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:41:58 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Eric Stevens writes:

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:17:13 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Irwell writes:

On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 06:45:29 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote:

Will all due credit to the writers of "Full Metal Jacket."

http://4.s.img-dpreview.com/files/ne...p01.jpg?v=1322

A Jeep is ugly compared to a Ferrari, does a better job
under some conditions.

Well, "pretty" and "ugly" are aesthetic matters, hence they're matters
of personal taste.

There's absolutely no question that a Jeep does a better job under some
conditions, though. (Or the Ferrari in others.)

Are there any conditions (not so super-specific as to be mere stunts)
where there's serious question which of those two would do better?

Driving through London. (I think the Ferrari's clutch would start to
complain.)

That might be the right idea. Jeep is too big, Ferrari doesn't like the
stop and go? (Although many of the jeeps do have quite small turning
circles.)

"Jeep is too big"?

I guess I'm showing my age. I meant a proper Jeep as in
http://www.homiefm.de/fotos/thementa..._Army_Jeep.jpg
but when I went sewarch Google images for a picture of a proper Jeep I
found all kinds of bloated SUVs masquerading under that name. At least
I didn't see a Hummer.

Ah, but the question was what situations would a Jeep and a Ferrari be
*competitive* in -- what situations is it not obvious which one would be
best? I'm wondering if their practical range of application overlaps
*at all*.

Clearly the ferrari would win on a drag strip, and on a twisty
well-paved road. Clearly the Jeep would win in real off-road terrain.

(Where "win" is a question of "doing better" at the task, not just a
simple-minded "faster" or something. Which means some cases will be
arguable, but that's half the fun.)
--
David Dyer-Bennet, ; http://dd-b.net/
Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/
Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/
Dragaera: http://dragaera.info

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 17:30:29 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Eric Stevens writes:

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:41:58 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Eric Stevens writes:

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:17:13 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Irwell writes:

On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 06:45:29 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote:

Will all due credit to the writers of "Full Metal Jacket."

http://4.s.img-dpreview.com/files/ne...p01.jpg?v=1322

A Jeep is ugly compared to a Ferrari, does a better job
under some conditions.

Well, "pretty" and "ugly" are aesthetic matters, hence they're matters
of personal taste.

There's absolutely no question that a Jeep does a better job under some
conditions, though. (Or the Ferrari in others.)

Are there any conditions (not so super-specific as to be mere stunts)
where there's serious question which of those two would do better?

Driving through London. (I think the Ferrari's clutch would start to
complain.)

That might be the right idea. Jeep is too big, Ferrari doesn't like the
stop and go? (Although many of the jeeps do have quite small turning
circles.)

"Jeep is too big"?

I guess I'm showing my age. I meant a proper Jeep as in
http://www.homiefm.de/fotos/thementa..._Army_Jeep.jpg
but when I went sewarch Google images for a picture of a proper Jeep I
found all kinds of bloated SUVs masquerading under that name. At least
I didn't see a Hummer.

Ah, but the question was what situations would a Jeep and a Ferrari be
*competitive* in -- what situations is it not obvious which one would be
best? I'm wondering if their practical range of application overlaps
*at all*.

Clearly the ferrari would win on a drag strip, and on a twisty
well-paved road. Clearly the Jeep would win in real off-road terrain.

(Where "win" is a question of "doing better" at the task, not just a
simple-minded "faster" or something. Which means some cases will be
arguable, but that's half the fun.)

Bringing back the groceries from the supermarket?

Regards,

Eric Stevens

David Dyer-Bennet wrote in
:

Eric Stevens writes:

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:41:58 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Eric Stevens writes:

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:17:13 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Irwell writes:

On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 06:45:29 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote:

Will all due credit to the writers of "Full Metal Jacket."

http://4.s.img-dpreview.com/files/ne...-01-Group01.jp
g?v=1322

A Jeep is ugly compared to a Ferrari, does a better job
under some conditions.

Well, "pretty" and "ugly" are aesthetic matters, hence they're
matters of personal taste.

There's absolutely no question that a Jeep does a better job under
some conditions, though. (Or the Ferrari in others.)

Are there any conditions (not so super-specific as to be mere
stunts) where there's serious question which of those two would do
better?

Driving through London. (I think the Ferrari's clutch would start
to complain.)

That might be the right idea. Jeep is too big, Ferrari doesn't like
the stop and go? (Although many of the jeeps do have quite small
turning circles.)

"Jeep is too big"?

I guess I'm showing my age. I meant a proper Jeep as in
http://www.homiefm.de/fotos/thementa..._Army_Jeep.jpg
but when I went sewarch Google images for a picture of a proper Jeep
I found all kinds of bloated SUVs masquerading under that name. At
least I didn't see a Hummer.

Ah, but the question was what situations would a Jeep and a Ferrari be
*competitive* in -- what situations is it not obvious which one would
be best? I'm wondering if their practical range of application
overlaps *at all*.

Clearly the ferrari would win on a drag strip, and on a twisty
well-paved road. Clearly the Jeep would win in real off-road terrain.


Huh. You could probably motivate an SRT Jeep to outrun a Ferrari on a
drag strip, with a little work, less by far than the cost of the Ferrari.

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 20:18:24 -0600, Rich wrote:

David Dyer-Bennet wrote in
:

Eric Stevens writes:

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:41:58 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Eric Stevens writes:

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:17:13 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Irwell writes:

On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 06:45:29 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote:

Will all due credit to the writers of "Full Metal Jacket."

http://4.s.img-dpreview.com/files/ne...-01-Group01.jp
g?v=1322

A Jeep is ugly compared to a Ferrari, does a better job
under some conditions.

Well, "pretty" and "ugly" are aesthetic matters, hence they're
matters of personal taste.

There's absolutely no question that a Jeep does a better job under
some conditions, though. (Or the Ferrari in others.)

Are there any conditions (not so super-specific as to be mere
stunts) where there's serious question which of those two would do
better?

Driving through London. (I think the Ferrari's clutch would start
to complain.)

That might be the right idea. Jeep is too big, Ferrari doesn't like
the stop and go? (Although many of the jeeps do have quite small
turning circles.)

"Jeep is too big"?

I guess I'm showing my age. I meant a proper Jeep as in
http://www.homiefm.de/fotos/thementa..._Army_Jeep.jpg
but when I went sewarch Google images for a picture of a proper Jeep
I found all kinds of bloated SUVs masquerading under that name. At
least I didn't see a Hummer.

Ah, but the question was what situations would a Jeep and a Ferrari be
*competitive* in -- what situations is it not obvious which one would
be best? I'm wondering if their practical range of application
overlaps *at all*.

Clearly the ferrari would win on a drag strip, and on a twisty
well-paved road. Clearly the Jeep would win in real off-road terrain.


Huh. You could probably motivate an SRT Jeep to outrun a Ferrari on a
drag strip, with a little work, less by far than the cost of the Ferrari.

Its been done. http://www.billhughes.com/dragjeeps/JeepsterHotRod.jpg

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 2012-02-02 19:27:11 -0800, Eric Stevens said:

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 20:18:24 -0600, Rich wrote:

David Dyer-Bennet wrote in
:

Eric Stevens writes:

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:41:58 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Eric Stevens writes:

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:17:13 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Irwell writes:

On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 06:45:29 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote:

Will all due credit to the writers of "Full Metal Jacket."

http://4.s.img-dpreview.com/files/ne...-01-Group01.jp
g?v=1322

A Jeep is ugly compared to a Ferrari, does a better job
under some conditions.

Well, "pretty" and "ugly" are aesthetic matters, hence they're
matters of personal taste.

There's absolutely no question that a Jeep does a better job under
some conditions, though. (Or the Ferrari in others.)

Are there any conditions (not so super-specific as to be mere
stunts) where there's serious question which of those two would do
better?

Driving through London. (I think the Ferrari's clutch would start
to complain.)

That might be the right idea. Jeep is too big, Ferrari doesn't like
the stop and go? (Although many of the jeeps do have quite small
turning circles.)

"Jeep is too big"?

I guess I'm showing my age. I meant a proper Jeep as in
http://www.homiefm.de/fotos/thementa..._Army_Jeep.jpg
but when I went sewarch Google images for a picture of a proper Jeep
I found all kinds of bloated SUVs masquerading under that name. At
least I didn't see a Hummer.

Ah, but the question was what situations would a Jeep and a Ferrari be
*competitive* in -- what situations is it not obvious which one would
be best? I'm wondering if their practical range of application
overlaps *at all*.

Clearly the ferrari would win on a drag strip, and on a twisty
well-paved road. Clearly the Jeep would win in real off-road terrain.


Huh. You could probably motivate an SRT Jeep to outrun a Ferrari on a
drag strip, with a little work, less by far than the cost of the Ferrari.

Its been done. http://www.billhughes.com/dragjeeps/JeepsterHotRod.jpg

Regards,

Eric Stevens

FIAT which owns Ferrari and the majority share of Chrysler has already
thought of other options:
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...NEWS/120209959

....and then there is always this, the "Jerrari":

http://www.jpmagazine.com/featuredve...ari/index.html


http://www.jpmagazine.com/featuredve.../photo_01.html



--
Regards,

Savageduck