Portland Gestapo Ask Homeowners, Businesses To Register Surveillance Cameras

Tony Cooper
Tue, 02 May 2017
17:00:19 GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote:

On Tue, 2 May 2017 12:37:22 -0400, PAS wrote:

On 5/2/2017 11:33 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Tony
Cooper wrote:

At least, with the red light camera tickets, there are no
points assessed and no notice to your insurance carrier of a
ticket. Only your bank account is hurt.
that depends where. some states assess points.

Then they would have to prove who the driver was. How do they
manage to do that? I gather that payment of the fine is
admittance of guilt and results in point being assessed. If this
were the case in NY, I would challenge the fine if I were to ever
get one.

One of the major objections to the red light camera laws being
passed in Florida was that people didn't want themselves to be
photographed. It was acceptable that the car and license plate be
photographed, but not the occupants.

Presumably, some people were concerned that they could be
identified with a companion in the car they were not supposed to
be with. (wink, wink. nudge, nudge.) Other reasons that a photo
identifying the driver was not wanted is that the driver may be
driving with a suspended license or not even licensed. It would
be obtaining information on other offenses and overreach of the
intent.

Consequently, the Florida law - at least - is that the photographs
are of the car and license plate but not the occupant(s) of the
vehicle. Therefore, the ticket is given to the registered owner of
vehicle.

This, of course, means that a lot of car rental companies have to
chase down renters of their cars and recover the fines from them.
They are very aggressive in this, and some add high fees to the
ticket amount.

No points are assessed in Florida for red light camera tickets and
the insurance companies are not notified of the tickets.

That's how it is here.


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nospam
Tue, 02 May 2017
17:39:24 GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote:

In article , PAS
wrote:

At least, with the red light camera tickets, there are no
points assessed and no notice to your insurance carrier of a
ticket. Only your bank account is hurt.
that depends where. some states assess points.

Then they would have to prove who the driver was. How do they
manage to do that?

it's not that hard to match up the photo in the ticket with the
photo of the registered owner from their driver's license.
supposedly, the tickets are reviewed. that's the claim, anyway.

or they just assume it's the registered owner, who can then
testify under penalty of perjury that it was someone else.

That doesn't work here. Your responsible for the car, as you're it's
registered owner. Unless you're willing to claim someone stole it
and get them in a pile of ****. And, if the ignition switch isn't
****ed up, good luck proving that. OTW, It doesn't matter if you
were actually driving it or not. You're the one who gets the ticket.
It's your car.

We have speeding cameras too. Don't go under the ******* if you're
over the limit, that's another c-note.

http://www.drivinglaws.org/resources...ts-and-stop-39

I've *never* paid any $50 dollar fine. But, I stopped getting these
****ing things several years ago, too. I paid a total of three of
them, two for $100 (for going under the light when it turned
yellow!); I was already too close to the line to stop for it...they
change quick man, real quick. So, you either speed up while it's
green, or get ready to slam on your brakes, or slow way down before
you come to it; as if it's already yellow going to red.

Now adays, I'll slow down when approaching a camera intersection
green and drill the brakes the second it changes. Yep Yep. I usually
don't know how long it's been on green, and some lights don't stay
on green long.

I will not go under that ****ing light, but, the driver behind me
may not be a happy camper if they don't have time to stop before
hitting me in the ass. If they do, well, it's considered their fault
for following too close. I'll get a check from their insurance
company or mine if they don't have insurance. Another little way in
which I protest this garbage.

And one for $110 because I challenged it, and lost. They said I
turned right on red without coming to a complete stop first... and
had me on camera doing it. so...They call it a California roll. My
final ticket was for doing that. So now, even if I'm going to be
turning right, I come to a complete stop and sit there, until the
light turns green, even though my flasher is clearly showing I'm
going to make a right turn. Another little way I protest this crap.
Hold up other vehicles behind me, also intending to turn right. I
love doing it to police officers. I'm not breaking the law by
choosing to wait until the light turns green. BFG

Oh, the site says you haven't broken the law if you cross under
yellow, but you'll find out quickly in some areas, you're getting a
ticket in the mail.

The yellow light was too short. In some cases, it has been
discovered that municipalities have deliberately shortened the
duration of yellow lights in order to increase the odds of running
the light (and ratcheting up the town’s traffic enforcement
revenue). If you want to make this claim, you should time the
duration of the yellow light to see if it differs substantially from
other nearby yellow lights. This argument may not succeed in all
states. -- I can vouch for this, I got two! tickets this way.



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PAS news 2017 16:40:34 GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote:

I'm moving to Tennessee later this year. Legislation was passed
about a year ago outlawing the installation of an new red light or
speed cameras in the state. The fine is low and, by law, the
failure to pay the fine cannot affect one's driver's license,
credit report, or insurance rates.

I live in Tennessee and have heard this via the rumour mill, but, have
no confirmation of it. Do you have anything solid that proves you don't
have to pay the ticket?


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PAS news 2017 18:58:38 GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote:

On 5/2/2017 2:05 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Tue, 2 May 2017 12:40:34 -0400, PAS wrote:

I'm moving to Tennessee later this year. Legislation was passed
about a year ago outlawing the installation of an new red light
or speed cameras in the state. The fine is low and, by law, the
failure to pay the fine cannot affect one's driver's license,
credit report, or insurance rates.
My sister lives there. The place is rife with speed traps, and
the state police have the interstates saturated. It's treacherous
if you drive over the limit almost anywhere. Be warned...

The three times I've been there for a a total of 21 days, I've not
seen many cops on the road. The speed limit isn't a low 55mph on
most sections of the highways. There is one area of I40 west of
Nashville where out-of-state motorists have to be concerned about
the policing for profit that goes on, such as this case
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/18...or-profit-case

You don't have to be an out of state resident for this to happen to
you. You can be a legal resident of this state and the same thing
can and does happen. Carry what they think is a large amount of cash
on you, they will take it from you, even if you've done nothing
wrong.

As far as the lying etc by the police here, that's VERY REAL. They
do, alot. If you aren't familiar with the term kangaroo court, you
will be if you move here and get in any trouble of any kind with the
police.

If you thought that url was a bad example of what can happen here,
check this one out:

http://www.newschannel5.com/news/new...eedom-for-cash

I didn't know ANYTHING about this crap when I moved down here. I
used to live in a much different state... Where people weren't so
quick to steal from you, legally. But, the weather in my original
state was much different than it is here, too. It doesn't really
snow (as I know it) here, but, it piles ft on where I'm originally
from and it stays for the season. Around here, it melts away in a
day or two. In the nearest city, they close it down if a few inches
winds up on the road. My 'home state', heh, you went to work/school
ft coming or not.


It's a bad situation and, frankly, I don't know why this is still
legal.

It makes money for the state. They can seize your property too,
like, your car under certain situations.


I carry around a PBA card and a PBA badge that notes I'm the
father of an NYPD officer. That should ge me out of any ticket if
I ever need to present it.

I doubt it'll help you here. Alot of police here are born and raised
here, and don't like us yanks all that much. Especially if we've
become residents of 'their' state. Racism is alive and well here,
man.



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On 5/22/2017 12:09 PM, Diesel claimed ...

No, being a cop isn't for me.

Absolutely! YOU, dear boy, are going to prison.

You were warned - many times.

On 5/22/2017 7:09 AM, Diesel wrote:
PAS news 2017 16:40:34 GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote:

I'm moving to Tennessee later this year. Legislation was passed
about a year ago outlawing the installation of an new red light or
speed cameras in the state. The fine is low and, by law, the
failure to pay the fine cannot affect one's driver's license,
credit report, or insurance rates.

I live in Tennessee and have heard this via the rumour mill, but, have
no confirmation of it. Do you have anything solid that proves you don't
have to pay the ticket?



The last time I was in Nashville I asked a question about barbecue. The
next thing that happened was a rather loud discussion about the virtues
of wet v dry rub. Things were getting, shall I say, passionate over that
issue. About twenty notches higher than nospam on the film or vinyl vs
digital.

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On 5/22/2017 10:10 AM, PeterN wrote:
On 5/22/2017 7:09 AM, Diesel wrote:
PAS news 2017 16:40:34 GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote:

I'm moving to Tennessee later this year. Legislation was passed
about a year ago outlawing the installation of an new red light or
speed cameras in the state. The fine is low and, by law, the
failure to pay the fine cannot affect one's driver's license,
credit report, or insurance rates.

I live in Tennessee and have heard this via the rumour mill, but, have
no confirmation of it. Do you have anything solid that proves you don't
have to pay the ticket?



The last time I was in Nashville I asked a question about barbecue.
The next thing that happened was a rather loud discussion about the
virtues of wet v dry rub. Things were getting, shall I say, passionate
over that issue. About twenty notches higher than nospam on the film
or vinyl vs digital.

There's always a dry rub on BBQ. The question is whether to serve with
sauce or without. I prefer it with sauce and with the sauce cooked on
the meat, not just poured on after it's cooked. When I was in Memphis
many years ago, I went to what is a legendary BBQ place, Charlie Vergo's
Rendezvous. It's classic Memphis-style BBQ served dry with no sauce.
You can put sauce on it if you like. The place was packed with a line
out the door. I was not impressed but I do prefer sauce cooked on the
meat. I found a great place not far from where I'll be living called
Ridgewood BBQ in Bluff City, TN. I'll be a regular once I move. My
favorite place is Smokin' Al's in Massapequa, I'll miss it when I move.

On 5/22/2017 11:38 AM, PAS wrote:
On 5/22/2017 10:10 AM, PeterN wrote:
On 5/22/2017 7:09 AM, Diesel wrote:
PAS news 2017 16:40:34 GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote:

I'm moving to Tennessee later this year. Legislation was passed
about a year ago outlawing the installation of an new red light or
speed cameras in the state. The fine is low and, by law, the
failure to pay the fine cannot affect one's driver's license,
credit report, or insurance rates.

I live in Tennessee and have heard this via the rumour mill, but, have
no confirmation of it. Do you have anything solid that proves you don't
have to pay the ticket?



The last time I was in Nashville I asked a question about barbecue.
The next thing that happened was a rather loud discussion about the
virtues of wet v dry rub. Things were getting, shall I say, passionate
over that issue. About twenty notches higher than nospam on the film
or vinyl vs digital.

There's always a dry rub on BBQ. The question is whether to serve with
sauce or without. I prefer it with sauce and with the sauce cooked on
the meat, not just poured on after it's cooked. When I was in Memphis
many years ago, I went to what is a legendary BBQ place, Charlie Vergo's
Rendezvous. It's classic Memphis-style BBQ served dry with no sauce.
You can put sauce on it if you like. The place was packed with a line
out the door. I was not impressed but I do prefer sauce cooked on the
meat. I found a great place not far from where I'll be living called
Ridgewood BBQ in Bluff City, TN. I'll be a regular once I move. My
favorite place is Smokin' Al's in Massapequa, I'll miss it when I move.


I am determined to get you to McNulty's well before you move.
We can continue the wet v dry discussion there. Unless things change, I
cannot even go near barbecue. I tried last week, and spent the night
coughing. I am physically unable to eat anything that has a touch of
barbecue sauce on it. It's caused by my COPD.

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PeterN
news rec.photo.digital, wrote:

On 5/22/2017 7:09 AM, Diesel wrote:
PAS news 2017 16:40:34 GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote:

I'm moving to Tennessee later this year. Legislation was passed
about a year ago outlawing the installation of an new red light
or speed cameras in the state. The fine is low and, by law, the
failure to pay the fine cannot affect one's driver's license,
credit report, or insurance rates.

I live in Tennessee and have heard this via the rumour mill, but,
have no confirmation of it. Do you have anything solid that
proves you don't have to pay the ticket?



The last time I was in Nashville I asked a question about
barbecue. The next thing that happened was a rather loud
discussion about the virtues of wet v dry rub. Things were
getting, shall I say, passionate over that issue. About twenty
notches higher than nospam on the film or vinyl vs digital.


Well, BBQ isn't something I have much knowledge of. I'm not a BBQer. I
don't even cook, despite my last name being Cook. [g]


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PeterN
news rec.photo.digital, wrote:

On 5/22/2017 7:09 AM, Diesel wrote:
PAS news 2017 16:40:34 GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote:

I'm moving to Tennessee later this year. Legislation was passed
about a year ago outlawing the installation of an new red light
or speed cameras in the state. The fine is low and, by law, the
failure to pay the fine cannot affect one's driver's license,
credit report, or insurance rates.

I live in Tennessee and have heard this via the rumour mill, but,
have no confirmation of it. Do you have anything solid that
proves you don't have to pay the ticket?



The last time I was in Nashville I asked a question about
barbecue. The next thing that happened was a rather loud
discussion about the virtues of wet v dry rub. Things were
getting, shall I say, passionate over that issue. About twenty
notches higher than nospam on the film or vinyl vs digital.


Well, BBQ isn't something I have much knowledge of. I'm not a BBQer. I
don't even cook, despite my last name being Cook. [g]


You're not alone. There are a lot of Smiths out there that don't shoe
horses.