Panorama & Photoshop

"Donald Gray" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:50:15 +0100, "gsum" wrote:

Don't hand-stitch in PS. I used to do it that way until I discovered
www.panoramafactory.com. Their software corrects for lens distortion
and other effects. It works best if you stitch at least 3 frames with
about a 30% overlap.

I have used Panorama Factory - it work squite well but sometimes
leaves ghosts in the stitching area

Using Panorama Maker 3, using the same source images, there is no
ghosting, and no visible trace of stitching (after using the matching
tools (only if needed))

PM3 also balances tonal range. I do not have to worry about 'locking'
the exposure

Take a look at www.websilk.co.uk/digital - I have one of my first
panos, 180 degrees (8 Images) starting at the bright end of the sky.


Donald,

Very nice photograph, although it does illustrate the problem of my original
post. The sky is burnt out (and the landscape in shadow) at the left edge.
On further reflection, this may be a realistic or 'true' presentation of the
scene. Maybe I'm worrying about nothing.....

Two other questions:
Where did you have the printing done?
Have you had panoramas framed? Where did you get that service done?

Thanks,

Steve

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:26:57 +0100, "Steve Almond"
wrote:


"Donald Gray" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:50:15 +0100, "gsum" wrote:

Don't hand-stitch in PS. I used to do it that way until I discovered
www.panoramafactory.com. Their software corrects for lens distortion
and other effects. It works best if you stitch at least 3 frames with
about a 30% overlap.

I have used Panorama Factory - it work squite well but sometimes
leaves ghosts in the stitching area

Using Panorama Maker 3, using the same source images, there is no
ghosting, and no visible trace of stitching (after using the matching
tools (only if needed))

PM3 also balances tonal range. I do not have to worry about 'locking'
the exposure

Take a look at www.websilk.co.uk/digital - I have one of my first
panos, 180 degrees (8 Images) starting at the bright end of the sky.


Donald,

Very nice photograph, although it does illustrate the problem of my original
post. The sky is burnt out (and the landscape in shadow) at the left edge.
On further reflection, this may be a realistic or 'true' presentation of the
scene. Maybe I'm worrying about nothing.....

That was the first pano I ever did. I still have the original images &
if I were to do it again, I would create pano a wee bit darker and
then use Photoshop CS to select the appropriate areas (with a goodly
chunk of feather, say 30 -50 px) and use the level feature to balance
things out. That should remove the apparent sky burn out.

Alternatively, I could create the dark version. make a duplicate
layer, and balance the sky in one layer and the ground in the other
layer, then erase the unwanted section in the top layer so that the
bottom shows. flatten and save.... (Saving before flattening as well)

Two other questions:
Where did you have the printing done?

I didn't. I only view on the monitor

Have you had panoramas framed? Where did you get that service done?
Didn't, but if I had, I would have taken it to the local picture
framer.

.... I have some more panos but have not had time to pu t'em up yet. I
shall use the same link as: www.websilk.co.uk/digital

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On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:26:57 +0100, "Steve Almond"
wrote:


"Donald Gray" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:50:15 +0100, "gsum" wrote:

Don't hand-stitch in PS. I used to do it that way until I discovered
www.panoramafactory.com. Their software corrects for lens distortion
and other effects. It works best if you stitch at least 3 frames with
about a 30% overlap.

I have used Panorama Factory - it work squite well but sometimes
leaves ghosts in the stitching area

Using Panorama Maker 3, using the same source images, there is no
ghosting, and no visible trace of stitching (after using the matching
tools (only if needed))

PM3 also balances tonal range. I do not have to worry about 'locking'
the exposure

Take a look at www.websilk.co.uk/digital - I have one of my first
panos, 180 degrees (8 Images) starting at the bright end of the sky.


Donald,

Very nice photograph, although it does illustrate the problem of my
original
post. The sky is burnt out (and the landscape in shadow) at the left
edge.
On further reflection, this may be a realistic or 'true' presentation of
the
scene. Maybe I'm worrying about nothing.....

That was the first pano I ever did. I still have the original images &
if I were to do it again, I would create pano a wee bit darker and
then use Photoshop CS to select the appropriate areas (with a goodly
chunk of feather, say 30 -50 px) and use the level feature to balance
things out. That should remove the apparent sky burn out.

Alternatively, I could create the dark version. make a duplicate
layer, and balance the sky in one layer and the ground in the other
layer, then erase the unwanted section in the top layer so that the
bottom shows. flatten and save.... (Saving before flattening as well)


Can you indicate how you 'balance' an uneven area? This gets back to my
original question:
Ignoring the panorama aspect. If I have a photograph where the sky is
uneven, how do I balance it across the frame to make it more even?

I don't know if you have seen this site. I have no connection, and I haven't
yet used them (but will once my panoramas are better balanced...):

http://www.photoartistry.co.uk/services_f.asp

Thanks,

Steve

Steve Almond wrote:
"Donald Gray" wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:26:57 +0100, "Steve Almond"
wrote:


"Donald Gray" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:50:15 +0100, "gsum" wrote:


Don't hand-stitch in PS. I used to do it that way until I discovered=

www.panoramafactory.com. Their software corrects for lens distortion=

and other effects. It works best if you stitch at least 3 frames wit=
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about a 30% overlap.

I have used Panorama Factory - it work squite well but sometimes
leaves ghosts in the stitching area

Using Panorama Maker 3, using the same source images, there is no
ghosting, and no visible trace of stitching (after using the matching=

tools (only if needed))

PM3 also balances tonal range. I do not have to worry about 'locking'=

the exposure

Take a look at www.websilk.co.uk/digital - I have one of my first
panos, 180 degrees (8 Images) starting at the bright end of the sky.


Donald,

Very nice photograph, although it does illustrate the problem of my
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original
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post. The sky is burnt out (and the landscape in shadow) at the left
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edge.
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On further reflection, this may be a realistic or 'true' presentation =
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scene. Maybe I'm worrying about nothing.....

That was the first pano I ever did. I still have the original images &
if I were to do it again, I would create pano a wee bit darker and
then use Photoshop CS to select the appropriate areas (with a goodly
chunk of feather, say 30 -50 px) and use the level feature to balance
things out. That should remove the apparent sky burn out.

Alternatively, I could create the dark version. make a duplicate
layer, and balance the sky in one layer and the ground in the other
layer, then erase the unwanted section in the top layer so that the
bottom shows. flatten and save.... (Saving before flattening as well)

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Can you indicate how you 'balance' an uneven area? This gets back to my=

original question:
Ignoring the panorama aspect. If I have a photograph where the sky is
uneven, how do I balance it across the frame to make it more even?
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I don't know if you have seen this site. I have no connection, and I ha=
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yet used them (but will once my panoramas are better balanced...):
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http://www.photoartistry.co.uk/services_f.asp

Seems pretty reasonable for printing 20 x 30 if it's indeed real=20
canvas: =A362, $112....

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possibly another Graphics program, such as GraphiConverter on the Mac,=20
and some knowledge how to use layers. Not real difficult to do, but to=20
do well will require practice, study, or good luck.

--
John McWilliams

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:50:02 GMT, John McWilliams
wrote:
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Can you indicate how you 'balance' an uneven area? This gets back to my
original question:
Ignoring the panorama aspect. If I have a photograph where the sky is
uneven, how do I balance it across the frame to make it more even?

I don't know if you have seen this site. I have no connection, and I haven't
yet used them (but will once my panoramas are better balanced...):

http://www.photoartistry.co.uk/services_f.asp

Seems pretty reasonable for printing 20 x 30 if it's indeed real
canvas: £62, $112....

It probably is real canvas - In another lifetime, about a hundred
years ago, I was a rep for an importer of photocanvas material - in
those days it was black & white. It came in a roll and was cut to size
in the darkroom. I seem to remember that it was available up to 1
metre wide. Cant remember the lengths.

The Imperial War Museum, in London used to use it a lot - Huge images
of wartime photographs hanging down from wooden poles made for a very
dramatic ambiance...



To do the balancing as Donald indicates would require Photoshop or
possibly another Graphics program, such as GraphiConverter on the Mac,
and some knowledge how to use layers. Not real difficult to do, but to
do well will require practice, study, or good luck.

Nicely put John

Steve:
There is always more than one way of skinning a cat (Poor moggie).

There is no shortcut for experience or practice. I presume that you
have half decent s/w or even some good stuff (Paintshop Pro, photoshop
or similar). You need to experiment, make mistakes (we all do) and
learn from them (some of us do!)

Learn about layers - they really are easy to learn and an incredibly
useful aid - they are essential for much of the manipulation work.

Good luck with your efforts.


--
Donald Gray
Putting ODCOMBE on the Global Village Map!
www.odcombe.demon.co.uk
You do not have to email me, but if you wish to...
Please remove the SafetyPin from my email address first
Thanks

"Steve Almond" wrote in message ...
I've been playing around with making panoramas. I stitch together the
handheld shots from my Fuji 601 using MGI Photosuite, (rather than Photoshop
7, which doesn't have the stitching programme).
Works very well, but the one problem in each panorama is the sky.
Invariably, one side or other of the composite picture is pointing more
towards the sun and the sky is rendered much darker than the other side (or
the centre).

Could someone suggest the best way to correct for this using Photoshop 7?

Thanks,

Steve

I don't know how to do it with Photoshop.
I am happy with Enblend (
http://www-cad.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mihal/enblend/ ), it's free, it's
good, it's easy, it works great in conjunction with PTSticher and
Hugin.
Give it a try :-)