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Old January 20th 18, 12:41 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Peter Jason
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Default Photoshopping large groups.....

....of about 30 people, in sunshine with kids and dog, what is the best
sequence of treatment?

1/ Crop to 6 x 4 ratio (A4 approx)
2/ Adjust levels,
3/ Dodge & burn pale/swarthy faces.
4/ Sharpen locally or totally.
5/ Annotate with text layer.
6/ Vibrance.

Is this OK? Also I have to graft myself into the picture so if I
just match head size is this OK?
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Old January 20th 18, 01:22 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
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On Jan 19, 2018, Peter Jason wrote
(in ):

...of about 30 people, in sunshine with kids and dog, what is the best
sequence of treatment?


A little more explanation on your part is needed:

Are you actually using Photoshop?

How much adjusting/editing experience do you have using Photoshop?

Is this a single image of a group, or is it a series of photos of groups of
people?

1/ Crop to 6 x 4 ratio (A4 approx)


Leave resizing/cropping until you have finished with all but sharpening.

2/ Adjust levels,
3/ Dodge & burn pale/swarthy faces.


If you must, but be careful, and do that work on seperate layers.

4/ Sharpen locally or totally.


You will probably need to sharpen selectively, as over sharpening of faces is
not desirable.

5/ Annotate with text layer.
6/ Vibrance.


Why would you need vibrance?
Just because it is available doesn’t mean it should be used.

With skin tones and faces, saturation and vibrance are adjustments you should
use very cautiously, if at all.

If you actually need this, consider adding vibrance on an adjustment layer
before sharpening. Doing it that way you can tone the effect down by
adjusting the layer opacity down.

Is this OK? Also I have to graft myself into the picture so if I
just match head size is this OK?


If you are building a composite by adding your image, consider doing that on
a layer earlier in your adjustment so that the selection will be less obvious
and blend in better.

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Regards,
Savageduck

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Old January 20th 18, 10:14 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
David Taylor
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Default Photoshopping large groups.....

On 20/01/2018 00:41, Peter Jason wrote:
...of about 30 people, in sunshine with kids and dog, what is the best
sequence of treatment?

1/ Crop to 6 x 4 ratio (A4 approx)
2/ Adjust levels,
3/ Dodge & burn pale/swarthy faces.
4/ Sharpen locally or totally.
5/ Annotate with text layer.
6/ Vibrance.

Is this OK? Also I have to graft myself into the picture so if I
just match head size is this OK?


Unless it's desperately important:

- Get it right first time so no post-processing required. Exposure bracket.

- Use a tripod and self-timer.

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Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
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Old January 21st 18, 08:48 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Peter Jason
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Default Photoshopping large groups.....

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 17:22:13 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

On Jan 19, 2018, Peter Jason wrote
(in ):

...of about 30 people, in sunshine with kids and dog, what is the best
sequence of treatment?


A little more explanation on your part is needed:

Are you actually using Photoshop?


I'm using PS6 photoshop.

How much adjusting/editing experience do you have using Photoshop?


Not much.

Is this a single image of a group, or is it a series of photos of groups of
people?


Here it is, a one-shot single group with the exposure adjusted to
-0.7. Maybe -1.0 would have been better?
https://postimg.org/image/homnfil9h/


1/ Crop to 6 x 4 ratio (A4 approx)


Leave resizing/cropping until you have finished with all but sharpening.

2/ Adjust levels,
3/ Dodge & burn pale/swarthy faces.


If you must, but be careful, and do that work on seperate layers.

4/ Sharpen locally or totally.


You will probably need to sharpen selectively, as over sharpening of faces is
not desirable.

5/ Annotate with text layer.
6/ Vibrance.


Why would you need vibrance?
Just because it is available doesn’t mean it should be used.

With skin tones and faces, saturation and vibrance are adjustments you should
use very cautiously, if at all.

If you actually need this, consider adding vibrance on an adjustment layer
before sharpening. Doing it that way you can tone the effect down by
adjusting the layer opacity down.

Is this OK? Also I have to graft myself into the picture so if I
just match head size is this OK?


If you are building a composite by adding your image, consider doing that on
a layer earlier in your adjustment so that the selection will be less obvious
and blend in better.



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Old January 21st 18, 08:49 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Peter Jason
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Default Photoshopping large groups.....

On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 10:14:06 +0000, David Taylor
wrote:

On 20/01/2018 00:41, Peter Jason wrote:
...of about 30 people, in sunshine with kids and dog, what is the best
sequence of treatment?

1/ Crop to 6 x 4 ratio (A4 approx)
2/ Adjust levels,
3/ Dodge & burn pale/swarthy faces.
4/ Sharpen locally or totally.
5/ Annotate with text layer.
6/ Vibrance.

Is this OK? Also I have to graft myself into the picture so if I
just match head size is this OK?


Unless it's desperately important:

- Get it right first time so no post-processing required. Exposure bracket.


Can one bracket with moving objects?

- Use a tripod and self-timer.


I did, though I had no time (12swc) to get in the picture.
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Old January 21st 18, 09:12 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Photoshopping large groups.....

In article , Peter Jason
wrote:

- Get it right first time so no post-processing required. Exposure bracket.


Can one bracket with moving objects?


yes, but there will obviously be a little movement between shots. if
the bracketing is fast enough, it probably won't matter.
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Old January 21st 18, 09:13 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Peter Jason
wrote:


Are you actually using Photoshop?


I'm using PS6 photoshop.


yikes.
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Old January 21st 18, 10:10 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
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Default Photoshopping large groups.....

On Jan 21, 2018, Peter Jason wrote
(in ):

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 17:22:13 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

On Jan 19, 2018, Peter Jason wrote
(in ):

...of about 30 people, in sunshine with kids and dog, what is the best
sequence of treatment?


A little more explanation on your part is needed:

Are you actually using Photoshop?


I'm using PS6 photoshop.


I guess you mean CS6 not PS6.


How much adjusting/editing experience do you have using Photoshop?


Not much.


Start with a few more experiments, and check some of the video tutorials
available.

Jullianne Kost provides some good tutorials most are geared for recent
Photoshop/Lightroom releases, but she has an extensive archive which can be
accessed, either from her site, or YouTube where you can refine your search
for Photoshop CS6 where you will find a whole bunch of useful stuff.

http://blogs.adobe.com/jkost/

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh5bKKSi_bGJh717hVlEbRg

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=photoshop+cs6



Is this a single image of a group, or is it a series of photos of groups of
people?


Here it is, a one-shot single group with the exposure adjusted to
-0.7. Maybe -1.0 would have been better?
https://postimg.org/image/homnfil9h/


That is not too bad, and I wouldn’t consider any further global exposure
adjustment. Perhaps some mild dodging over the group with a soft brush, on a
separate adjustment layer. If it is too much you can adjust the layer opacity
down, redo, or if that doesn’t work, delete the layer.

It doesn’t look like you had cooperation from the adults in the group.
However, it does add some character to the shot.
What was distracting them so much?



1/ Crop to 6 x 4 ratio (A4 approx)


Leave resizing/cropping until you have finished with all but sharpening.

2/ Adjust levels,
3/ Dodge & burn pale/swarthy faces.


If you must, but be careful, and do that work on seperate layers.

4/ Sharpen locally or totally.


You will probably need to sharpen selectively, as over sharpening of faces
is
not desirable.

5/ Annotate with text layer.
6/ Vibrance.


Why would you need vibrance?
Just because it is available doesn’t mean it should be used.

With skin tones and faces, saturation and vibrance are adjustments you
should
use very cautiously, if at all.

If you actually need this, consider adding vibrance on an adjustment layer
before sharpening. Doing it that way you can tone the effect down by
adjusting the layer opacity down.

Is this OK? Also I have to graft myself into the picture so if I
just match head size is this OK?


If you are building a composite by adding your image, consider doing that on
a layer earlier in your adjustment so that the selection will be less
obvious
and blend in better.


--

Regards,
Savageduck

  #9  
Old January 21st 18, 10:27 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Mayayana
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Default Photoshopping large groups.....

"Peter Jason" wrote

| Here it is, a one-shot single group with the exposure adjusted to
| -0.7. Maybe -1.0 would have been better?
| https://postimg.org/image/homnfil9h/
|

Why not just make some copies and play with it?
That will tell you a lot more than people here can,
since they don't have the photo.

If it were me I'd also try to take out the pool
if possible. Without that you have a serviceable
background. With it the image looks partial.
The section of pool and the beachball are
a distraction.


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Old January 21st 18, 10:50 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Peter Jason
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Default Photoshopping large groups.....

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 14:10:15 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

On Jan 21, 2018, Peter Jason wrote
(in ):

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 17:22:13 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

On Jan 19, 2018, Peter Jason wrote
(in ):

...of about 30 people, in sunshine with kids and dog, what is the best
sequence of treatment?

A little more explanation on your part is needed:

Are you actually using Photoshop?


I'm using PS6 photoshop.


I guess you mean CS6 not PS6.


How much adjusting/editing experience do you have using Photoshop?


Not much.


Start with a few more experiments, and check some of the video tutorials
available.

Jullianne Kost provides some good tutorials most are geared for recent
Photoshop/Lightroom releases, but she has an extensive archive which can be
accessed, either from her site, or YouTube where you can refine your search
for Photoshop CS6 where you will find a whole bunch of useful stuff.

http://blogs.adobe.com/jkost/

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh5bKKSi_bGJh717hVlEbRg

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=photoshop+cs6



Is this a single image of a group, or is it a series of photos of groups of
people?


Here it is, a one-shot single group with the exposure adjusted to
-0.7. Maybe -1.0 would have been better?
https://postimg.org/image/homnfil9h/


That is not too bad, and I wouldn’t consider any further global exposure
adjustment. Perhaps some mild dodging over the group with a soft brush, on a
separate adjustment layer. If it is too much you can adjust the layer opacity
down, redo, or if that doesn’t work, delete the layer.

It doesn’t look like you had cooperation from the adults in the group.
However, it does add some character to the shot.
What was distracting them so much?


Me, running around the swimming pool trying to beat the 12sec timer.



1/ Crop to 6 x 4 ratio (A4 approx)

Leave resizing/cropping until you have finished with all but sharpening.

2/ Adjust levels,
3/ Dodge & burn pale/swarthy faces.

If you must, but be careful, and do that work on seperate layers.

4/ Sharpen locally or totally.

You will probably need to sharpen selectively, as over sharpening of faces
is
not desirable.

5/ Annotate with text layer.
6/ Vibrance.

Why would you need vibrance?
Just because it is available doesn’t mean it should be used.

With skin tones and faces, saturation and vibrance are adjustments you
should
use very cautiously, if at all.

If you actually need this, consider adding vibrance on an adjustment layer
before sharpening. Doing it that way you can tone the effect down by
adjusting the layer opacity down.

Is this OK? Also I have to graft myself into the picture so if I
just match head size is this OK?

If you are building a composite by adding your image, consider doing that on
a layer earlier in your adjustment so that the selection will be less
obvious
and blend in better.

 




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