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  #91  
Old November 16th 17, 09:20 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 02:20:08 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
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On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 00:14:38 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 03:24:05 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

Second you can't replace the screen with another of
different spec while retaining your existing hardware.

You can with a mac, just connect up the second monitor, I thought you could so that with PCs too, but maybe you can't.
But then again I've no reason to want to change my displat as I got the one I wanted with the computer.

Adding a second monitor is not the same as replacing the first one.


Why replace the first one then, is it because it's a **** one that came with the PC, I don't want a cheap **** monitor with a computer because it keeps the price down and makes the computer I buy look better value.

In my case I want two matched monitors with a matte finish.

Why would we bother with those when we can buy sperate boxes where one can go on the floor on on the desk top.
You see desk tops were getting in the way they couldn't fit on the desk top !
so like you need space on the floor where they got kicked and of course one thing that you;ve ignored is that being at that level they suck in much more dust than they woukld on the desk.

I'm not working in a zoo and I have never had problems with dust.

So the advantage of my iMac is that I don't need extra space on the desk or on the floor or anywhere else. This is one of the reasons all in ones are popular and why iMacs sell.
You do know that the popularity of labtops is because they are all in one and portable, but again people make their own choices don't they.

I would be tempted too if I was in that situation. But I'm not.


So why put your desktop on the floor. I wouldn't now buy a desktop if it had to go on the floor.


Years ago I had a trolley with wheels built to carry my computer gear.
The storage has been somewhat rearranged but I have my computer and
Oki printer on the lowest shelf (about 8cm above the floor), the shelf
above that carries my scanner and the UPS, while the top shelf is used
only for the storage of consumables. I have no problem with the
computer either being kicked or filled with dust.

My keyboard and monitors are at the other end of my desk with the
usual jungle of connecting cables.


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  #92  
Old November 16th 17, 10:15 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:13:38 -0500, nospam
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 13:24:25 -0500, PeterN
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I evaluated a lot of
monitors, including some branded by Apple, before I made my decision. I
feel no compulsion to discuss this further.

Peter, how long have you had your present monitor?

About a eighteen months, more or less. And it pretty much fits my needs.
I am not responding to the troll on that subject.


It's just that the first Retina display emerged in 2012 and I was
fairly sure we had discussed your experiences of deciding on a new
monitor since that date.


that was for a macbook pro, and actually, the first retina display
emerged in 2010, on the iphone 4.

he was considering a display for his desktop.

the first retina imac came out just 3 years ago, in october 2014, later
updated to a wide gamut dci-p3 display a year later, in 2015.


Still comfortably before PeterN made his decision about a replacement
monitor.

So when you wrote "I evaluated a lot of monitors, including some
branded by Apple, before I made my decision." and nospam replied "you
did so long before there were retina displays and also received bad
advice. your conclusion is therefore not valid" he was just pulling a
reply out of his arse.


nope.

i recall he mentioned evaluating it prior to october, 2014.


And made his decision several months fter that date.
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  #93  
Old November 16th 17, 10:37 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:15:22 -0500, nospam
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In article , Eric Stevens
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As I find it strange that a lot of pro photographers do use Macs, lots of
graphic editors use Macs, lots of teching establishmetns use macs, we do
here, specifically brough for multimedia teaching, the only time we use PCs
is when quality doesnlt matter such as write up sending emails looking at
websites, and teaching code writing and such.


I can't explain the photographers or teaching establishments but most
graphic editors work with commercial print media or sRGB,


the ****ty ones might. the better graphic editors do not.


Correct me o learned one: what do they use?

neither of
which are worrth a damn when it comes to resolving fine detail in the
shadows.


also wrong.


Even the best of commercial print media is limited in it's ability to
print a really deep black, let alone display subtle variations in deep
grey tonality. You may believe otherwise but there is a fortune
waiting for you if you can prove your claims for a conventional
commercial printing system.

Please note that I did say at the beginning "most graphic editors work
with commercial print media or sRGB". I'm not talking about specialty
print techniques.

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Old November 16th 17, 10:41 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I evaluated a lot of
monitors, including some branded by Apple, before I made my decision.
I
feel no compulsion to discuss this further.

Peter, how long have you had your present monitor?

About a eighteen months, more or less. And it pretty much fits my needs.
I am not responding to the troll on that subject.

It's just that the first Retina display emerged in 2012 and I was
fairly sure we had discussed your experiences of deciding on a new
monitor since that date.


that was for a macbook pro, and actually, the first retina display
emerged in 2010, on the iphone 4.

he was considering a display for his desktop.

the first retina imac came out just 3 years ago, in october 2014, later
updated to a wide gamut dci-p3 display a year later, in 2015.


Still comfortably before PeterN made his decision about a replacement
monitor.


he was looking at a separate display, not an all in one mac, which
means he didn't consider retina displays.

So when you wrote "I evaluated a lot of monitors, including some
branded by Apple, before I made my decision." and nospam replied "you
did so long before there were retina displays and also received bad
advice. your conclusion is therefore not valid" he was just pulling a
reply out of his arse.


nope.

i recall he mentioned evaluating it prior to october, 2014.


And made his decision several months fter that date.


based on evaluations made before that date.

as i recall, he only evaluated the older very glossy displays, not the
more recent ones that weren't as glossy.
  #95  
Old November 16th 17, 10:41 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

As I find it strange that a lot of pro photographers do use Macs, lots of
graphic editors use Macs, lots of teching establishmetns use macs, we do
here, specifically brough for multimedia teaching, the only time we use
PCs
is when quality doesnlt matter such as write up sending emails looking at
websites, and teaching code writing and such.

I can't explain the photographers or teaching establishments but most
graphic editors work with commercial print media or sRGB,


the ****ty ones might. the better graphic editors do not.


Correct me o learned one: what do they use?


argb, and now dci-p3 is becoming common.

neither of
which are worrth a damn when it comes to resolving fine detail in the
shadows.


also wrong.


Even the best of commercial print media is limited in it's ability to
print a really deep black, let alone display subtle variations in deep
grey tonality. You may believe otherwise but there is a fortune
waiting for you if you can prove your claims for a conventional
commercial printing system.


deep black != shadow detail.

Please note that I did say at the beginning "most graphic editors work
with commercial print media or sRGB". I'm not talking about specialty
print techniques.


most ****ty ones do. the better ones do not.
  #96  
Old November 17th 17, 05:11 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 16:41:55 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I evaluated a lot of
monitors, including some branded by Apple, before I made my decision.
I
feel no compulsion to discuss this further.

Peter, how long have you had your present monitor?

About a eighteen months, more or less. And it pretty much fits my needs.
I am not responding to the troll on that subject.

It's just that the first Retina display emerged in 2012 and I was
fairly sure we had discussed your experiences of deciding on a new
monitor since that date.

that was for a macbook pro, and actually, the first retina display
emerged in 2010, on the iphone 4.

he was considering a display for his desktop.

the first retina imac came out just 3 years ago, in october 2014, later
updated to a wide gamut dci-p3 display a year later, in 2015.


Still comfortably before PeterN made his decision about a replacement
monitor.


he was looking at a separate display, not an all in one mac, which
means he didn't consider retina displays.


Then why did you drag in Retina displays?

So when you wrote "I evaluated a lot of monitors, including some
branded by Apple, before I made my decision." and nospam replied "you
did so long before there were retina displays and also received bad
advice. your conclusion is therefore not valid" he was just pulling a
reply out of his arse.

nope.

i recall he mentioned evaluating it prior to october, 2014.


And made his decision several months fter that date.


based on evaluations made before that date.


I'm glad you were there as a witness. Afterall its not everyone who
would make a decision and would then put it into effect only after
several months while ignoring the subsequent new products and
developments.

as i recall, he only evaluated the older very glossy displays, not the
more recent ones that weren't as glossy.


Which are still too glossy for me and probably for PeterN.
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  #97  
Old November 17th 17, 05:16 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 16:41:56 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

As I find it strange that a lot of pro photographers do use Macs, lots of
graphic editors use Macs, lots of teching establishmetns use macs, we do
here, specifically brough for multimedia teaching, the only time we use
PCs
is when quality doesnlt matter such as write up sending emails looking at
websites, and teaching code writing and such.

I can't explain the photographers or teaching establishments but most
graphic editors work with commercial print media or sRGB,

the ****ty ones might. the better graphic editors do not.


Correct me o learned one: what do they use?


argb, and now dci-p3 is becoming common.


That's a color space and has nothing much to do with the abilities of
the monitor.

neither of
which are worrth a damn when it comes to resolving fine detail in the
shadows.

also wrong.


Even the best of commercial print media is limited in it's ability to
print a really deep black, let alone display subtle variations in deep
grey tonality. You may believe otherwise but there is a fortune
waiting for you if you can prove your claims for a conventional
commercial printing system.


deep black != shadow detail.


But the ability to display subtle variations in in deep grey tonality
does = shadow detail.

Please note that I did say at the beginning "most graphic editors work
with commercial print media or sRGB". I'm not talking about specialty
print techniques.


most ****ty ones do. the better ones do not.


The better ones are not 'most'.

I'm not pursuing this any further.
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Eric Stevens
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Old November 17th 17, 05:27 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article ,
Eric Stevens wrote:

Years ago I had a trolley with wheels built to carry my computer gear.
The storage has been somewhat rearranged but I have my computer and
Oki printer on the lowest shelf (about 8cm above the floor), the shelf
above that carries my scanner and the UPS, while the top shelf is used
only for the storage of consumables. I have no problem with the
computer either being kicked or filled with dust.


You had to have one of those custom built? I bought one for me telly at
Coop in the eighties but have used it for computer gear for years now!

My keyboard and monitors are at the other end of my desk with the
usual jungle of connecting cables.


That's how the set up should be done... :-))
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Old November 17th 17, 08:26 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 05:27:31 +0100, android wrote:

In article ,
Eric Stevens wrote:

Years ago I had a trolley with wheels built to carry my computer gear.
The storage has been somewhat rearranged but I have my computer and
Oki printer on the lowest shelf (about 8cm above the floor), the shelf
above that carries my scanner and the UPS, while the top shelf is used
only for the storage of consumables. I have no problem with the
computer either being kicked or filled with dust.


You had to have one of those custom built? I bought one for me telly at
Coop in the eighties but have used it for computer gear for years now!


I probably had it done about 20 years ago to make the most of my space
in a home office. It was designed around my then Laserjet4, some model
Epson printer and a Hewlett Packard 5P scanner. Also Archfiles which
held the accounting documents with which I ran my business. Everything
has changed since then and the current Epson is such a size that it it
sits on a cabinet at the other end of the room.

My keyboard and monitors are at the other end of my desk with the
usual jungle of connecting cables.


That's how the set up should be done... :-))


Also a clutter of wall-warts.
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Old November 17th 17, 05:14 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 11/17/2017 4:43 AM, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 16 November 2017 18:26:53 UTC, PeterN wrote:
On 11/16/2017 5:26 AM, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 16:50:23 UTC, PeterN wrote:


The in context and clear meaning of my statement is that glossy monitors
have issues displaying color gradations in the dark and shadow areas. My
conclusion was drawn after I had conversations with users, and
manufacturers representatives, including Apple.

what year was this ?
As I find it strange that a lot of pro photographers do use Macs, lots of graphic editors use Macs, lots of teching establishmetns use macs, we do here, specifically brough for multimedia teaching, the only time we use PCs is when quality doesnlt matter such as write up sending emails looking at websites, and teaching code writing and such.


My subject is not Mac vs PC. It is monitors.


So talk about monitors NOT the computer you're the one going on about PCs being upgradeable and how you have to buy another monitor and another graphics card and install a new HD, nowerdays I tened to get what I want in the package I prefer, I don;t feel the need to replace anything the next week month or even 18 months, I tend not to bother for about 3-5 years then upgrade.
In the early days of computers real upgrades came out faster so my upgrade path was about every 18 months.

My last PC was replaced after well over eight years. The only reason I
replaced it was so I could use a 4k monitor, and wanted the speed of
USB3. During that period I Added memory, and an HDD. I will not go into
further details.


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