Barret Jackson auction photos

On 2015-10-07 04:02:01 +0000, Savageduck said:

On 2015-10-07 02:59:22 +0000, Bill W said:
On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 19:41:01 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:
On 2015-10-07 01:44:26 +0000, Bill W said:
On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 16:31:02 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:
On 2015-10-06 22:23:43 +0000, Bill W said:

I know that car photos are outside the interests of at least some of
you, but these cars are some of the most beautiful I have ever seen.

What better subjects? They never complain.

I think I heard some grumbling from the Isetta, but he probably
thought I was laughing at him. Or her.

Isetta, that is what post war BMW had to do to survive.

There are 400 photos, and fatigue set in for me about halfway through
a very long walk. There are a handful of OoF/slightly blurred photos,
but I left them in.

I see you were carrying a K3 which shouldn't be too heavy, but lugging
it around, rationing time to select cars suitable to shoot, and walking
through that mass of metal can tire one out.

Full details for all photos: K3, Sigma 18-35/f1.8, handheld with
available light only, ISO 1600, all processing (for once), and
exporting in LR. I never have a problem carrying the camera, the
problem is that even when I let it hang by the sling, I don't.
Especially in this sort of thing, I always have a grip on my camera.
We can't be letting those cameras swing around when walking among 100K
- and some higher - cars. A little scratch could bankrupt me. Anyway,
it's hand fatigue that gets me every time.

If you take a look, feel free to comment on the photography &
processing, but that's not really the purpose here - I understand that
they're just pictures of cars.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskmLCNLW

No! No! No! Not just pictures of cars, it is a photographic record of
automotive history. That makes you a record keeper and documentarian.

That said, my preference leans towards full authentic restorations, or
running origins, not classics given a hotrod treatment with custom
wheels and suspension workovers. Stuff such as the blue Model A with
yellow trim, the red Olds Roadster, the Cadillac V8 Roadster, and even
though it is pug ugly, the 1948 Packard is one I am fond of as my
Grandfather took me on many a drive in his, which he sold around 1954.
I love the metallic grey Jag E-Type
...and any time you get to see a real Cobra be it a 289, or a 427 in
the flesh, it is a good thing.

I am not a fan of garish paint jobs on non-hotrod vintage/classic cars,
and I didn't think much of the metallic finish treatment of that pseudo
Cobra.

I'm real sure that purists were gagging from some of those cars, but I
tend to like looking at all of them. It seemed that the paint finish
was near perfection on just about every one of them.

Great paint work, but sometimes it can be just wrong, regardless of how
impressive.


Now the big question remains; what did you buy, or sell?

I tried to sell that 427 Cobra, but just my luck, I must have run into
the savviest buyers. It's like they all figured out it wasn't mine. I
should have asked for more than 10K, I guess, but I just needed some
quick cash..

;-)

If you are interested here is a 1960 Ferrari 250 GT SWB Berlinetta
'Competizione', which sold for $8.14 Mil in 2013. Out in the rain at
Avila Beach in 2010.
That is without doubt the most valuable car I have ever been able to
get close to.
https://db.tt/411yfnrZ
https://db.tt/swmFeNaf
https://db.tt/PJ1hfIHy

Yeah, that's a real collector item. I was shocked to see it forced to
mingle among mere Porsches.

To be fair it was in a row of Ferraris, but it was worth more than all
of those others combined.

The photos at the end of the group were to show some of the final
prices. Most of the relatively common cars from the 60's & 70's went
for 20 - 50K, so there's a lot of attainable stuff, which surprised
me. They even have a classic car loan company outside the auction. And
the display screen shows estimated monthly payments for the current
bid.

That is about right for most restored and fancied up 60's & 70's stuff.
However, once rarity is established, the price will climb.

Here are a few I have caught along th way.
https://db.tt/sqNZek3O
https://db.tt/HAs3aoEP
https://db.tt/p3Zf9DS4
https://db.tt/E5zVA9FC

Yeah, that is some nice stuff.

Any comments on the photography itself?

Any car event is tough, especially indoors. Sometimes having cars
packed together means you cant quite get the shot you want. Then there
is lighting to consider, direct flash is not a good idea, but sometimes
you can benefit from a diffused fill flash. You did well here with
available light and high ISO.

I've learned a lot here, and
tried to put it all to use on this little project, both with the
camera, and LR. I usually have to dump a whole lot of photos when I
got home, but the last few times out, it was a very small number.

All-in-all, a decent job capturing the event, and some great cars.

Yep, I agree with what you said to Peter, the photography isn't the
point. At the same time, the photos can be too light, dark, saturated,
sharpened, etc., and I thought I did okay avoiding those things. Since
you're not pointing out any glaring flaws, I guess I'm not delusional.

Since you are working with Lightroom, take a look at some of the
tutorial/videos and see how some of what has been shown there can be
applied to individual shots you have captured.

There are interesting things which can be used in LR, stuff such as the
'Radial Grad Filter'. Also with the LR grad filters you can use the
'Brush' to make selective removal or additions of the effect. That is
for the regular grads and the Radial Grad.
You can go to the HSL/Color/B&W panel in the develop module to adjust
individual color channel saturation & luminance. This is another very
useful feature when you whan to start digging a bit deeper into the
capabilities of LR.

Here is a side-by-side of the original with LR/PS workover, of the Dan
Gurney/AJ Foyt 1967 Le Mans winning Ford GT40.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_340.jpg

....and from a different angle.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_341.jpg


I also agree with the miserable environment at crowded car & bike
shows. I went to Bikefest over the weekend, and walking among the
bikes is like a walk through Mardi Gras, but while trying to stop to
take photos. And you can't say anything to anyone. Fights are
extremely rare - even the true nutcases tend to behave - but that is
one tough crowd

Yup!


--
Regards,

Savageduck

In article 2015100619410190117-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:

On 2015-10-07 01:44:26 +0000, Bill W said:

On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 16:31:02 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-10-06 22:23:43 +0000, Bill W said:

I know that car photos are outside the interests of at least some of
you, but these cars are some of the most beautiful I have ever seen.

What better subjects? They never complain.

I think I heard some grumbling from the Isetta, but he probably
thought I was laughing at him. Or her.

Isetta, that is what post war BMW had to do to survive.

Nah, they (Beamer staff) were troupers trying to get their country
moving. BMW was OK... And Urkel got to get some wheels! ;-) Messersmith
was equally cute, BTW...

There are 400 photos, and fatigue set in for me about halfway through
a very long walk. There are a handful of OoF/slightly blurred photos,
but I left them in.

I see you were carrying a K3 which shouldn't be too heavy, but lugging
it around, rationing time to select cars suitable to shoot, and walking
through that mass of metal can tire one out.

Full details for all photos: K3, Sigma 18-35/f1.8, handheld with
available light only, ISO 1600, all processing (for once), and
exporting in LR. I never have a problem carrying the camera, the
problem is that even when I let it hang by the sling, I don't.
Especially in this sort of thing, I always have a grip on my camera.
We can't be letting those cameras swing around when walking among 100K
- and some higher - cars. A little scratch could bankrupt me. Anyway,
it's hand fatigue that gets me every time.

If you take a look, feel free to comment on the photography &
processing, but that's not really the purpose here - I understand that
they're just pictures of cars.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskmLCNLW

No! No! No! Not just pictures of cars, it is a photographic record of
automotive history. That makes you a record keeper and documentarian.

That said, my preference leans towards full authentic restorations, or
running origins, not classics given a hotrod treatment with custom
wheels and suspension workovers. Stuff such as the blue Model A with
yellow trim, the red Olds Roadster, the Cadillac V8 Roadster, and even
though it is pug ugly, the 1948 Packard is one I am fond of as my
Grandfather took me on many a drive in his, which he sold around 1954.
I love the metallic grey Jag E-Type
...and any time you get to see a real Cobra be it a 289, or a 427 in
the flesh, it is a good thing.

I am not a fan of garish paint jobs on non-hotrod vintage/classic cars,
and I didn't think much of the metalic finish treatment of that pseudo
Cobra.

I'm real sure that purists were gagging from some of those cars, but I
tend to like looking at all of them. It seemed that the paint finish
was near perfection on just about every one of them.

Great paint work, but sometimes it can be just wrong, regardless of how
impressive.


Now the big question remains; what did you buy, or sell?

I tried to sell that 427 Cobra, but just my luck, I must have run into
the savviest buyers. It's like they all figured out it wasn't mine. I
should have asked for more than 10K, I guess, but I just needed some
quick cash..

;-)

If you are interested here is a 1960 Ferrari 250 GT SWB Berlinetta
'Competizione', which sold for $8.14 Mil in 2013. Out in the rain at
Avila Beach in 2010.
That is without doubt the most valuable car I have ever been able to
get close to.
https://db.tt/411yfnrZ
https://db.tt/swmFeNaf
https://db.tt/PJ1hfIHy

The photos at the end of the group were to show some of the final
prices. Most of the relatively common cars from the 60's & 70's went
for 20 - 50K, so there's a lot of attainable stuff, which surprised
me. They even have a classic car loan company outside the auction. And
the display screen shows estimated monthly payments for the current
bid.

That is about right for most restored and fancied up 60's & 70's stuff.
However, once rarity is established, the price will climb.

Here are a few I have caught along th way.
https://db.tt/sqNZek3O
https://db.tt/HAs3aoEP
https://db.tt/p3Zf9DS4
https://db.tt/E5zVA9FC

Yeah, that is some nice stuff.

Any comments on the photography itself?

Any car event is tough, especially indoors. Sometimes having cars
packed together means you cant quite get the shot you want. Then there
is lighting to consider, direct flash is not a good idea, but sometimes
you can benefit from a diffused fill flash. You did well here with
available light and high ISO.

I've learned a lot here, and
tried to put it all to use on this little project, both with the
camera, and LR. I usually have to dump a whole lot of photos when I
got home, but the last few times out, it was a very small number.

All-in-all, a decent job capturing the event, and some great cars.
--
teleportation kills
http://tinyurl.com/androidphotography

On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 21:22:59 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

Here is a side-by-side of the original with LR/PS workover, of the Dan
Gurney/AJ Foyt 1967 Le Mans winning Ford GT40.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_340.jpg

...and from a different angle.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_341.jpg

To be honest, I'm trying to avoid that sort of thing for now, but I do
like that second angle a lot. It looks like a fine way to deal with
troublesome photos, and I think it turned out very well.

Right now, I still have too much other basic stuff to learn.

On 2015-10-07 04:17:47 +0000, android said:

In article 2015100619410190117-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-10-07 01:44:26 +0000, Bill W said:
On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 16:31:02 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:
On 2015-10-06 22:23:43 +0000, Bill W said:

I know that car photos are outside the interests of at least some of
you, but these cars are some of the most beautiful I have ever seen.

What better subjects? They never complain.

I think I heard some grumbling from the Isetta, but he probably
thought I was laughing at him. Or her.

Isetta, that is what post war BMW had to do to survive.

Nah, they were troupers trying to get their country moving. BMW were
OK... And Urkel got get some wheels! ;-) Messersmith was equally cute,
BTW...

However, in 1939 they managed to produce this BMW 328 Cabriolet, this
one is #351 of 462 built.
https://db.tt/KB8zgv9Q


--
Regards,

Savageduck

In article 2015100622075543208-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:

On 2015-10-07 04:17:47 +0000, android said:

In article 2015100619410190117-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-10-07 01:44:26 +0000, Bill W said:
On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 16:31:02 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:
On 2015-10-06 22:23:43 +0000, Bill W said:

I know that car photos are outside the interests of at least some of
you, but these cars are some of the most beautiful I have ever seen.

What better subjects? They never complain.

I think I heard some grumbling from the Isetta, but he probably
thought I was laughing at him. Or her.

Isetta, that is what post war BMW had to do to survive.

Nah, they were troupers trying to get their country moving. BMW were
OK... And Urkel got get some wheels! ;-) Messersmith was equally cute,
BTW...

However, in 1939 they managed to produce this BMW 328 Cabriolet, this
one is #351 of 462 built.
https://db.tt/KB8zgv9Q

Good looking sure... Munich had mojo in those days and there were people
who could pay for stuff like that. IMO: BMW has been copycats from the
getgo. Stealing the star from Mercedes was just the beginning...
Daimler-Benz had a protected design for both three and four pointed
stars on cars!
--
teleportation kills

On 2015-10-07 05:23:28 +0000, android said:

In article 2015100622075543208-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:

On 2015-10-07 04:17:47 +0000, android said:

In article 2015100619410190117-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-10-07 01:44:26 +0000, Bill W said:
On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 16:31:02 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:
On 2015-10-06 22:23:43 +0000, Bill W said:

I know that car photos are outside the interests of at least some of
you, but these cars are some of the most beautiful I have ever seen.

What better subjects? They never complain.

I think I heard some grumbling from the Isetta, but he probably
thought I was laughing at him. Or her.

Isetta, that is what post war BMW had to do to survive.

Nah, they were troupers trying to get their country moving. BMW were
OK... And Urkel got get some wheels! ;-) Messersmith was equally cute,
BTW...

However, in 1939 they managed to produce this BMW 328 Cabriolet, this
one is #351 of 462 built.
https://db.tt/KB8zgv9Q

Good looking sure... Munich had mojo in those days and there were people
who could pay for stuff like that. IMO: BMW has been copycats from the
getgo. Stealing the star from Mercedes was just the beginning...
Daimler-Benz had a protected design for both three and four pointed
stars on cars!

Then you need to learn a bit more aout German automotive history. There
is no "star" in the BMW logo, or in any part of their design.

BMW was a builder of aircraft engines, prior to and during WWI. After
the war because of the Treaty of Versailles they had to stop aircraft
engine construction. That led them to manufacturing motorcycles. Then
in 1928 they started building cars, the first of which was based on a
licenced version of the Austin 7. There is a little irony there since
BMW now owns Mini Cooper. Needless to say BMW soon got back into the
aviation business.

The BMW logo is a reflection of its aviation engine heritage and it
represents the propellor blades of a plane, not a star.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On Wed, 07 Oct 2015 07:23:28 +0200, android wrote:

In article 2015100622075543208-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:

On 2015-10-07 04:17:47 +0000, android said:

In article 2015100619410190117-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-10-07 01:44:26 +0000, Bill W said:
On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 16:31:02 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:
On 2015-10-06 22:23:43 +0000, Bill W said:

I know that car photos are outside the interests of at least some of
you, but these cars are some of the most beautiful I have ever seen.

What better subjects? They never complain.

I think I heard some grumbling from the Isetta, but he probably
thought I was laughing at him. Or her.

Isetta, that is what post war BMW had to do to survive.

Nah, they were troupers trying to get their country moving. BMW were
OK... And Urkel got get some wheels! ;-) Messersmith was equally cute,
BTW...

However, in 1939 they managed to produce this BMW 328 Cabriolet, this
one is #351 of 462 built.
https://db.tt/KB8zgv9Q

Good looking sure... Munich had mojo in those days and there were people
who could pay for stuff like that. IMO: BMW has been copycats from the
getgo. Stealing the star from Mercedes was just the beginning...
Daimler-Benz had a protected design for both three and four pointed
stars on cars!

BMW were not copycats. BMW made aircraft engines. The four-quarted
circles represents an aircraft propellor.

http://www.airpages.ru/img/mot/bmw6.jpg
http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au...ero_engine.jpg
http://tinyurl.com/osdgpvw
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article 2015100622513220517-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:

On 2015-10-07 05:23:28 +0000, android said:

In article 2015100622075543208-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:

On 2015-10-07 04:17:47 +0000, android said:

In article 2015100619410190117-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-10-07 01:44:26 +0000, Bill W said:
On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 16:31:02 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:
On 2015-10-06 22:23:43 +0000, Bill W said:

I know that car photos are outside the interests of at least some of
you, but these cars are some of the most beautiful I have ever seen.

What better subjects? They never complain.

I think I heard some grumbling from the Isetta, but he probably
thought I was laughing at him. Or her.

Isetta, that is what post war BMW had to do to survive.

Nah, they were troupers trying to get their country moving. BMW were
OK... And Urkel got get some wheels! ;-) Messersmith was equally cute,
BTW...

However, in 1939 they managed to produce this BMW 328 Cabriolet, this
one is #351 of 462 built.
https://db.tt/KB8zgv9Q

Good looking sure... Munich had mojo in those days and there were people
who could pay for stuff like that. IMO: BMW has been copycats from the
getgo. Stealing the star from Mercedes was just the beginning...
Daimler-Benz had a protected design for both three and four pointed
stars on cars!

Then you need to learn a bit more aout German automotive history.

Not true. The stuff below bist blah und blah...

There
is no "star" in the BMW logo, or in any part of their design.

BMW was a builder of aircraft engines, prior to and during WWI. After
the war because of the Treaty of Versailles they had to stop aircraft
engine construction. That led them to manufacturing motorcycles. Then
in 1928 they started building cars, the first of which was based on a
licenced version of the Austin 7. There is a little irony there since
BMW now owns Mini Cooper. Needless to say BMW soon got back into the
aviation business.

The BMW logo is a reflection of its aviation engine heritage and it
represents the propellor blades of a plane, not a star.
--
teleportation kills

In article ,
Eric Stevens wrote:

On Wed, 07 Oct 2015 07:23:28 +0200, android wrote:

In article 2015100622075543208-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:

On 2015-10-07 04:17:47 +0000, android said:

In article 2015100619410190117-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-10-07 01:44:26 +0000, Bill W said:
On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 16:31:02 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:
On 2015-10-06 22:23:43 +0000, Bill W said:

I know that car photos are outside the interests of at least some of
you, but these cars are some of the most beautiful I have ever seen.

What better subjects? They never complain.

I think I heard some grumbling from the Isetta, but he probably
thought I was laughing at him. Or her.

Isetta, that is what post war BMW had to do to survive.

Nah, they were troupers trying to get their country moving. BMW were
OK... And Urkel got get some wheels! ;-) Messersmith was equally cute,
BTW...

However, in 1939 they managed to produce this BMW 328 Cabriolet, this
one is #351 of 462 built.
https://db.tt/KB8zgv9Q

Good looking sure... Munich had mojo in those days and there were people
who could pay for stuff like that. IMO: BMW has been copycats from the
getgo. Stealing the star from Mercedes was just the beginning...
Daimler-Benz had a protected design for both three and four pointed
stars on cars!

BMW were not copycats. BMW made aircraft engines. The four-quarted
circles represents an aircraft propellor.

---

Blah und blah...
--
teleportation kills

On 10/6/2015 9:49 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-10-07 01:01:24 +0000, PeterN said:

On 10/6/2015 6:23 PM, Bill W wrote:
I know that car photos are outside the interests of at least some of
you, but these cars are some of the most beautiful I have ever seen.

There are 400 photos, and fatigue set in for me about halfway through
a very long walk. There are a handful of OoF/slightly blurred photos,
but I left them in.

If you take a look, feel free to comment on the photography &
processing, but that's not really the purpose here - I understand that
they're just pictures of cars.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskmLCNLW


I will hold my comments on the processing and composition.

Composition and processing for these images is irrelevant. They are good
enough as presented. They are not art work, they are a record of metal art.

At a car show, or an auction the vehicles are placed without any
consideration for photography. Typically they are crowded together
leaving little room for manuever. For the most part you are documenting
and recording the vehicles at the event. If you have an opportunity to
deal with composition, consider yourself fortunate.
With what can be cramped quarters an extreme wide angle lens can be useful.


That's exactly why I am withholding comment.


The purpose was to take photos that you enjoy taking. Only you can
judge whether your purpose was fulfilled. Having said that I figure
you accomplished your goal. To me, that's one of the great things
about this hobby. we are pretty much free to do what we like, and
share it with others.

Agreed.

The next sunny day, I have time, I plan to try IR with a pinhole
camera. (The camera was converted to IR and the pinhole is a hole
drilled in the center of the body cap.)




--
PeterN