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Old April 29th 07, 09:39 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Gary Seven
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Default Help me pick out a lens for the Nikon D80

Hello all. Can some of you good folks here help me out here? I am thinking
about buying the Nikon D80. I don't want to start or hear flames either for
or against Canon/Nikon, just looking for some advice here.

I will probably go for the D80 mostly because it fits my hand much better
than say, the Canon 30D. There are other little "pleasantries" I like,
especially the viewfinder. I'm at a loss though, of the type of lens or
lenses to purchase with the body. There are two types of shooting that I
do: (1) family shots of my two little girls (indoor and outdoor) and (2)
landscape style photography, mostly of my vineyards here in Priorat (Spain).
Along those lines I like to do shots of vines, overall vine/row shots,
background "mountain" shots, and I would also like to do very close-up
(macro?) shots.

So what to do here? I have the feeling that buying just one lens (I assume
a tele-wide) will NOT be a one-size-fits-all solution. I get the feeling I
will need two, but simply don't know which way to go here. Of course, my
budget is not unlimited and I simply can't plop down another $2000 in glass
on top of the $900 I will be spending on the body.

Thoughts anyone? TIA.

G7

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Old April 29th 07, 09:46 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Just D
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Default Help me pick out a lens for the Nikon D80

Gary,

I bought the D80 basic set with 2 kit lenses in December last year - 18-55
and 55-200. These kit lenses are very convenient. I will definitely buy
something else, probably 18-200VR, its price is going down and I'm expecting
it to be very acceptable pretty soon. I also bought couple close-up lenses
2X and 3X as well as couple filters. I got a ring allowing me to use 58mm
Wide lense derived from my Canon GL2 camcorder. It works more or less
acceptable excluding some vinieting in the corners. I also bought two
remotes, wired and IR, very convenient devices!

If you want to run through a quick review/advice just visit
www.kenrockwell.com - this guy publishes his new experience as soon as he
gets a new device, lense, etc.

Just D.


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Old April 29th 07, 10:15 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
David J Taylor[_2_]
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Default Help me pick out a lens for the Nikon D80

Gary Seven wrote:
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So what to do here? I have the feeling that buying just one lens (I
assume a tele-wide) will NOT be a one-size-fits-all solution. I get
the feeling I will need two, but simply don't know which way to go
here. Of course, my budget is not unlimited and I simply can't plop
down another $2000 in glass on top of the $900 I will be spending on
the body.

Thoughts anyone? TIA.

G7


In the long run, you will probably spend that $2000 and far more.

David


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Old April 29th 07, 10:41 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Giovanni Azua
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Hi Gary,

You will be more than pleased with the 18-200VR, if you get it you do
not need the kit lenses at all. However if you plan doing landscapes and
macro photography I would go for two additional lenses, in total would
be:

- 18-200VR is your walkaround lens of choice and family photographing etc.
If you go for this one you do not need kit ones, it is really lightweight
and
the zoom range is very convenient.

- 12-24mm f/4 for landscapes since the 18-200 is not really a wide angle.
I personally do not like the slight distorsion of the Nikkor 12-24mm but
I think
it is the one for the job.

- Proper macro lenses are very expensive and I have read that macro filters
do not
really match the performance. Since I pressume you want macro photography
for static lifeless subjects where you can get as close as you want, why
not
using a prime super fast super cheap lens like the Nikkor 50mm f/1.4? I
would
be curious about responses on using this lens as macro. One great
advantage
is that because it is very fast you will blur backgrounds as much as you
want
and get good results even in dim lighting conditions.

HTH,

Regards,
Giovanni


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Old April 29th 07, 11:31 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Default Help me pick out a lens for the Nikon D80


"Gary Seven" wrote in message
...
Hello all. Can some of you good folks here help me out here? I am
thinking
about buying the Nikon D80. I don't want to start or hear flames either
for
or against Canon/Nikon, just looking for some advice here.

I will probably go for the D80 mostly because it fits my hand much better
than say, the Canon 30D. There are other little "pleasantries" I like,
especially the viewfinder. I'm at a loss though, of the type of lens or
lenses to purchase with the body. There are two types of shooting that I
do: (1) family shots of my two little girls (indoor and outdoor) and (2)
landscape style photography, mostly of my vineyards here in Priorat
(Spain).
Along those lines I like to do shots of vines, overall vine/row shots,
background "mountain" shots, and I would also like to do very close-up
(macro?) shots.

So what to do here? I have the feeling that buying just one lens (I
assume
a tele-wide) will NOT be a one-size-fits-all solution. I get the feeling
I
will need two, but simply don't know which way to go here. Of course, my
budget is not unlimited and I simply can't plop down another $2000 in
glass
on top of the $900 I will be spending on the body.

Thoughts anyone? TIA.

G7


A real "sleeper" of a lens, is the 28-105mm. It is incredibly sharp, covers
most people's most often used range, has nice bokeh, and has a good macro
mode and even better is that it is about $250 US, has no queue of people
waiting to pounce on every one that becomes available, and no battery
draining VR mode (nor does it "need" one). I suggest you go to
www.dpreview.com and search on 28-105mm and see the sample shots people have
posted. It is a very impressive bargain Nikon lens.

George


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Old April 29th 07, 02:27 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Yoshi
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Default Help me pick out a lens for the Nikon D80


"David J Taylor"
wrote in message k...

In the long run, you will probably spend that $2000 and far more.

David


Not everyone is a compulsive gearhead.


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Old April 29th 07, 02:34 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
David Ruether
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Default Help me pick out a lens for the Nikon D80

"Gary Seven" wrote in message ...

Hello all. Can some of you good folks here help me out here? I am thinking
about buying the Nikon D80. I don't want to start or hear flames either for
or against Canon/Nikon, just looking for some advice here.

I will probably go for the D80 mostly because it fits my hand much better
than say, the Canon 30D. There are other little "pleasantries" I like,
especially the viewfinder.


The D80 is an excellent choice for those reasons (finally a really
good viewfinder again in an affordable Nikon!) plus well laid
out controls. If it would meter easily with my many manual-focus
lenses (the more expensive D200 does...), I would have one
immediately.

I'm at a loss though, of the type of lens or
lenses to purchase with the body. There are two types of shooting that I
do: (1) family shots of my two little girls (indoor and outdoor) and (2)
landscape style photography, mostly of my vineyards here in Priorat (Spain).
Along those lines I like to do shots of vines, overall vine/row shots,
background "mountain" shots, and I would also like to do very close-up
(macro?) shots.


I was surprised by most of the suggestions - with most leaning
more toward convenience than quality. If you want fairly inexpensive
convenience, get the 18-70mm Nikkor - it will do pretty much
everything you mention, and do it fairly well (27mm-105mm
equivalent in 35mm terms). Add a 60mm f2.8 (90mm) macro for
the highest quality macro work if you want. If you get that one,
you could skip the zoom and get higher quality and greater speed
with the 35mm f2 (52mm equivalent) and maybe a 20mm f2.8
for wide angle (30mm equivalent). This set with maybe a 50mm
f1.8 (75mm equivalent, fine, and cheap) or 85mm f1.8 (or 127mm
equivalent) covers all your bases very sharply, and with fast lenses
that can be used wide open (except the 20mm). For a "longish"
zoom, the 24-85mm f3.5-4.5 (36-127mm equivalent) rather
good compared with most others in its range, and it could be
combined with the Tokina 12-24mm or Sigma 10-20mm, if you
want super wide and can take a hit in image quality...

So what to do here? I have the feeling that buying just one lens (I assume
a tele-wide) will NOT be a one-size-fits-all solution. I get the feeling I
will need two, but simply don't know which way to go here. Of course, my
budget is not unlimited and I simply can't plop down another $2000 in glass
on top of the $900 I will be spending on the body.


If you are not looking for the very highest quality, but good
useful range with a convenient, affordable lens, go with the
18-70mm - and maybe add some non-zooms later...
--
David Ruether

http://www.donferrario.com/ruether


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Old April 29th 07, 03:02 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Jürgen Exner
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Default Help me pick out a lens for the Nikon D80

Gary Seven wrote:
I will probably go for the D80 mostly because it fits my hand much
better than say, the Canon 30D. There are other little
"pleasantries" I like, especially the viewfinder. I'm at a loss
though, of the type of lens or lenses to purchase with the body.
There are two types of shooting that I do: (1) family shots of my
two little girls (indoor and outdoor) and (2) landscape style
photography, mostly of my vineyards here in Priorat (Spain). Along
those lines I like to do shots of vines, overall vine/row shots,
background "mountain" shots, and I would also like to do very
close-up (macro?) shots.


Get the 18-135mm kit lens. You can't beat the price and for a kit lens it is
a _very_ good lens, see
http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showp...uct/993/cat/13 for a
review.

It will cover all your needs except for the macro photos. For those look at
macro lens line from Sigma, maybe the 70mm or 105mm. For third-party lenses
they are surprisingly good, pretty much in the same ballpark as
manufacturers lenses, see http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showcat.php/cat/30.
If you can afford it, then the Nikon 105mm f/2.8D AF Micro will outclass any
other macro lens, see
http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showp...ate/1129408622.
But it is _much_ more expensive.

Stay away from the Nikon 60mm f/2.8D AF Micro, it doesn't seem to do too
well, even the Sigma 50mm got a better picture quality.

jue



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Old April 29th 07, 03:17 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
C J Campbell
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On 2007-04-29 07:02:06 -0700, "Jürgen Exner" said:

Gary Seven wrote:
I will probably go for the D80 mostly because it fits my hand much
better than say, the Canon 30D. There are other little
"pleasantries" I like, especially the viewfinder. I'm at a loss
though, of the type of lens or lenses to purchase with the body.
There are two types of shooting that I do: (1) family shots of my
two little girls (indoor and outdoor) and (2) landscape style
photography, mostly of my vineyards here in Priorat (Spain). Along
those lines I like to do shots of vines, overall vine/row shots,
background "mountain" shots, and I would also like to do very
close-up (macro?) shots.


Get the 18-135mm kit lens. You can't beat the price and for a kit lens it is
a _very_ good lens, see
http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showp...uct/993/cat/13 for a
review.

It will cover all your needs except for the macro photos. For those look at
macro lens line from Sigma, maybe the 70mm or 105mm. For third-party lenses
they are surprisingly good, pretty much in the same ballpark as
manufacturers lenses, see http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showcat.php/cat/30.
If you can afford it, then the Nikon 105mm f/2.8D AF Micro will outclass any
other macro lens, see
http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showp...ate/1129408622.

But

it is _much_ more expensive.

Stay away from the Nikon 60mm f/2.8D AF Micro, it doesn't seem to do too
well, even the Sigma 50mm got a better picture quality.

jue


Mostly baloney, especially the bit about macro.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

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Old April 29th 07, 03:34 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
C J Campbell
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On 2007-04-29 01:39:07 -0700, "Gary Seven" said:

Hello all. Can some of you good folks here help me out here? I am thinking
about buying the Nikon D80. I don't want to start or hear flames either for
or against Canon/Nikon, just looking for some advice here.

I will probably go for the D80 mostly because it fits my hand much better
than say, the Canon 30D. There are other little "pleasantries" I like,
especially the viewfinder. I'm at a loss though, of the type of lens or
lenses to purchase with the body. There are two types of shooting that I
do: (1) family shots of my two little girls (indoor and outdoor) and (2)
landscape style photography, mostly of my vineyards here in Priorat (Spain).
Along those lines I like to do shots of vines, overall vine/row shots,
background "mountain" shots, and I would also like to do very close-up
(macro?) shots.

So what to do here? I have the feeling that buying just one lens (I assume
a tele-wide) will NOT be a one-size-fits-all solution. I get the feeling I
will need two, but simply don't know which way to go here. Of course, my
budget is not unlimited and I simply can't plop down another $2000 in glass
on top of the $900 I will be spending on the body.

Thoughts anyone? TIA.

G7


I think you have to first ask yourself exactly what you plan on doing the most.

I also like the 18-200mm VR lens. It focuses closely enough for light
macro work. It has enough telephoto to bring the mountains closer for
those background mountain shots. It has decent mid-range zoom for
portraits. It goes wide enough for landscapes.

The 18-135mm lens is neither fish nor fowl. Thom Hogan is probably the
most respected reviewer of Nikkor lenses. Check out his review of the
18-135mm lens he

http://www.bythom.com/18135lens.htm

Thom does not show you a lot of charts or test patterns in his reviews.
Instead, he talks about lenses and how they handle and perform in the
real world of photography. A lens may be great at shooting test
patterns, but if it is so awkward that it stays in the bag all the
time, what good is it?
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

 




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