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My latest musings about photography
Wayne J. Cosshall wrote: David Dyer-Bennet wrote: There's been some argument now and then about maybe adding version numbering to Sun's ZFS filesystem, and it got interesting with the old TOPS-20 hacks saying how simple and useful it was an other people saying how it would pollute your directories and make everything totally confusing :-). (I was a customer from 1977-1979, supported TOPS-20 and VMS in the field until 1981, and was in Marlboro in the layered products group until 1985). HI David, TOPS-20 was pretty great and was a nice OS to do sys admin and systems programming on back then. If I remember rightly you could set a preference in a config file as to how many back versions you wanted to keep. Saved my bacon on a number of occasions. What is this about versions? When I save as different types of files, it still has the photo's original number from the camera. Even if I renamed it, it would still be "Doggy.jpg" and "Doggy.TIF." What's the problem? Gary Eickmeier |
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My latest musings about photography
Gary Eickmeier wrote:
Wayne J. Cosshall wrote: David Dyer-Bennet wrote: There's been some argument now and then about maybe adding version numbering to Sun's ZFS filesystem, and it got interesting with the old TOPS-20 hacks saying how simple and useful it was an other people saying how it would pollute your directories and make everything totally confusing :-). (I was a customer from 1977-1979, supported TOPS-20 and VMS in the field until 1981, and was in Marlboro in the layered products group until 1985). HI David, TOPS-20 was pretty great and was a nice OS to do sys admin and systems programming on back then. If I remember rightly you could set a preference in a config file as to how many back versions you wanted to keep. Saved my bacon on a number of occasions. What is this about versions? When I save as different types of files, it still has the photo's original number from the camera. Even if I renamed it, it would still be "Doggy.jpg" and "Doggy.TIF." What's the problem? Gary Eickmeier What we are talking about is this old operating system would save a file, say xyz.psd as xyz.psd.001, when it is saved next time as xyz.psd.002 and so on. What I do manually is, when I am working on an image, say steadily working on it till I am finally happy I manually do Save as and then change the name to xyz v2.psd, etc. This way I have a number of files back to previous developments of my image. This works for me because I may take an image in multiple directions and then later decide which I prefer. Cheers, Wayne -- Wayne J. Cosshall Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ |
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My latest musings about photography
Wayne J. Cosshall wrote:
Gary Eickmeier wrote: Wayne J. Cosshall wrote: David Dyer-Bennet wrote: There's been some argument now and then about maybe adding version numbering to Sun's ZFS filesystem, and it got interesting with the old TOPS-20 hacks saying how simple and useful it was an other people saying how it would pollute your directories and make everything totally confusing :-). (I was a customer from 1977-1979, supported TOPS-20 and VMS in the field until 1981, and was in Marlboro in the layered products group until 1985). HI David, TOPS-20 was pretty great and was a nice OS to do sys admin and systems programming on back then. If I remember rightly you could set a preference in a config file as to how many back versions you wanted to keep. Saved my bacon on a number of occasions. What is this about versions? When I save as different types of files, it still has the photo's original number from the camera. Even if I renamed it, it would still be "Doggy.jpg" and "Doggy.TIF." What's the problem? Gary Eickmeier What we are talking about is this old operating system would save a file, say xyz.psd as xyz.psd.001, when it is saved next time as xyz.psd.002 and so on. What I do manually is, when I am working on an image, say steadily working on it till I am finally happy I manually do Save as and then change the name to xyz v2.psd, etc. This way I have a number of files back to previous developments of my image. This works for me because I may take an image in multiple directions and then later decide which I prefer. Cheers, Wayne ..... and in the wonderful world of digital.... we can't go back to the negatives should we have an ooppsee k |
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kosh wrote: .... and in the wonderful world of digital.... we can't go back to the negatives should we have an ooppsee ? The "negative" is the original file. Why can't you go back to it? Gary Eickmeier |
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My latest musings about photography
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kosh wrote: .... and in the wonderful world of digital.... we can't go back to the negatives should we have an ooppsee ? The "negative" is the original file. Why can't you go back to it? Gary Eickmeier In Wayne's post, he described a system in which the original is never over-written. So the file still exists to return to. I'm not realy sure what Kosh is getting at either. Unless by "oopsee" he means a system or disc crash that wipes out all the files on the disc, and you haven't made a CDROM or DVD backup beforehand. |
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My latest musings about photography
Gary Eickmeier wrote:
Wayne J. Cosshall wrote: David Dyer-Bennet wrote: There's been some argument now and then about maybe adding version numbering to Sun's ZFS filesystem, and it got interesting with the old TOPS-20 hacks saying how simple and useful it was an other people saying how it would pollute your directories and make everything totally confusing :-). (I was a customer from 1977-1979, supported TOPS-20 and VMS in the field until 1981, and was in Marlboro in the layered products group until 1985). HI David, TOPS-20 was pretty great and was a nice OS to do sys admin and systems programming on back then. If I remember rightly you could set a preference in a config file as to how many back versions you wanted to keep. Saved my bacon on a number of occasions. What is this about versions? When I save as different types of files, it still has the photo's original number from the camera. Even if I renamed it, it would still be "Doggy.jpg" and "Doggy.TIF." What's the problem? Incremental saves along the way as you edit. Yielding Doggie.tif.1, doggie.tif.2, doggie.tif.3, and so forth. There's a command to to purge additional versions all at once, or by file, so it's easy to clean up when things settle down. |
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My latest musings about photography
David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
Wayne J. Cosshall wrote: Gary Eickmeier wrote: Wayne J. Cosshall wrote: Gary Eickmeier wrote: Obviously, you don't destroy the original when you "Save as" and put the edited file somewhere else. I typically open my file, manipulate it as desired, then Save as a TIF so that I don't lose anything by compressing it more, and so that the original remains untouched. You aren't actually operating on your original file when you edit; you are just using the copy of it that you imported into Photoshop. No destoying is going on, unless you just hit "Save" and it replaces your camera original. Gary Eickmeier The disadvantage of save as is that you end up with multiple versions of the same file, causing versioning and backup issues. Cheers, Wayne How is it any more versions than your method? And my saved files don't have multiple layers to save. Gary Eickmeier Hi Gary, It isn't necessarily, but it can be. Before using adjustment layers I would save the original, a slightly tweaked version and then multiple versions as I played with the image or parts there of. Since neither Windows or Mac OS have auto file version numbering (something the Dec System 20 I was a systems programmer on over 25 years ago even had) I tack a version number on the end of the file name. With adjustment layers I find that number reduced, since I may include multiple adjustment layers that I leave turned on or off in the one file version. Photoshop CS loads something in my system tray called Adobe Version Cue which presumably handles this. I think it's more important in workgroups. There's been some argument now and then about maybe adding version numbering to Sun's ZFS filesystem, and it got interesting with the old TOPS-20 hacks saying how simple and useful it was an other people saying how it would pollute your directories and make everything totally confusing :-). (I was a customer from 1977-1979, supported TOPS-20 and VMS in the field until 1981, and was in Marlboro in the layered products group until 1985). |
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