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MicroPress 4x5 question
"Max Perl" wrote in message ... On the MPP MicroPress 4x5 camera there is a FRONT - BACK switch. It seems to be locked in the FRONT position but the FP shutter works fine in this position and I am not able to move the switch to the BACK position. Anybody knows the secret behind this switch? The camera came with a Xenar 135/4.7 lens. Is this an OK performer? I think I have the International Back version. What does this mean? ....that many suppliers of rollfilm backs can be used on the camera? ....e.g. a Horseman 6x9 back? Max Left out the Xenar. This lens is of the Tessar type. They can be very good, as are the Xenars in Rolleiflex/Rolleicord cameras. I have had only one of the 135mm/f/47 lenses to check, it was on a late 1950's Speed Graphic. This lens had excessive smearing at the corners, probably oblique spherical aberration which is inherent in the Tessar type, but I am not sure. Like the Wollensak lenses for the Graphic cameras it had to be stopped down too far to get the corners sharp. This may have been a dog. You can test for this easily by focusing the camera on a distant small, bright, object or highlight at the corner of the frame. Its normal for a Tessar type lens to smear such highlights when wide open but the smear should be mostly gone by about f/8 and completely gone at f/11. The old Wollensak Raptar has a little left even at f/32. Both the Kodak Ektar and Zeiss Tessar are clean at f/8 to f/11. This lens should be about the same if its a good one. Previous to WW-2 Schneider did not have a good reputation for consistency, after the war the company turned this around and began to make excellent lenses and have quite good quality control. I don't know much about MPP except that they made a good clone of the Linhof Technika. The "international" back is a copy of the Graflok back originally designed by Graflex for the Speed and Crown Graphic cameras. This back takes standard Graphic type film holders but also takes a wide variety of accessories because the ground glass spring panel can be removed easily. It has two sliding strips to hold the accessory in place. Without the spring back the it looks like the older Graflex back as used on the Graflex SLR cameras but the dimentions are differnent and the lock strip position is reversed from the Graphic type back so the Graflok or International or Universal back will not take Graflex holders or accessories. Almost all roll film adaptors and other accesories made after about the mid 1950's fit the Graflok/International type back. I repeat in case my first post got lost, that the slide switch for the shutters probably needs to be pushed in a bit to unlock it. -- --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA |
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MicroPress 4x5 question
"Nicholas O. Lindan" skrev i en meddelelse ... "Max Perl" wrote It was just for fun I purchased this camera....... as I got it for about $150 with lens Old press cameras are lots of fun. And that's a good price. The MPP's are well regarded. Did you get it with a rangefinder? If you put a 6x9 roll film back on the camera you lose the ground glass for focusing. Though you can swap backs all the time for focusing. At f22 you can do all right with the scale on the camera bed and a bit of practice judging distance. Yes it has a rangefinder and there are cams? .....think it is callsed for a 135 and 360 mm lens. The rangefinder optics need a bit of cleaning to be able to show a very clear double image. I have the ground glass and it seems easy to swap between this and a back......but of course it you use it hand hold as a press photographer you can't do that. It is the 2nd camera on this page. The newest version of the MicroPress. They also did some Techical cameras which looks quite nice. http://www.mppusers.freeuk.com/micropress2.htm The LF Nikkors are not too bad I think..... I don't think you can buy a bad modern LF lens. For lens test results: http://www.hevanet.com/cperez/results.html -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http://www.darkroomautomation.com/index.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com |
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MicroPress 4x5 question
"Max Perl" wrote
It was just for fun I purchased this camera....... as I got it for about $150 with lens Old press cameras are lots of fun. And that's a good price. The MPP's are well regarded. Did you get it with a rangefinder? If you put a 6x9 roll film back on the camera you lose the ground glass for focusing. Though you can swap backs all the time for focusing. At f22 you can do all right with the scale on the camera bed and a bit of practice judging distance. The LF Nikkors are not too bad I think..... I don't think you can buy a bad modern LF lens. For lens test results: http://www.hevanet.com/cperez/results.html -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http://www.darkroomautomation.com/index.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com |
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MicroPress 4x5 question
"Richard Knoppow" skrev i en meddelelse ... "Max Perl" wrote in message ... On the MPP MicroPress 4x5 camera there is a FRONT - BACK switch. It seems to be locked in the FRONT position but the FP shutter works fine in this position and I am not able to move the switch to the BACK position. Anybody knows the secret behind this switch? The camera came with a Xenar 135/4.7 lens. Is this an OK performer? I think I have the International Back version. What does this mean? ....that many suppliers of rollfilm backs can be used on the camera? ....e.g. a Horseman 6x9 back? Max Left out the Xenar. This lens is of the Tessar type. They can be very good, as are the Xenars in Rolleiflex/Rolleicord cameras. I have had only one of the 135mm/f/47 lenses to check, it was on a late 1950's Speed Graphic. This lens had excessive smearing at the corners, probably oblique spherical aberration which is inherent in the Tessar type, but I am not sure. Like the Wollensak lenses for the Graphic cameras it had to be stopped down too far to get the corners sharp. This may have been a dog. You can test for this easily by focusing the camera on a distant small, bright, object or highlight at the corner of the frame. Its normal for a Tessar type lens to smear such highlights when wide open but the smear should be mostly gone by about f/8 and completely gone at f/11. The old Wollensak Raptar has a little left even at f/32. Both the Kodak Ektar and Zeiss Tessar are clean at f/8 to f/11. This lens should be about the same if its a good one. Previous to WW-2 Schneider did not have a good reputation for consistency, after the war the company turned this around and began to make excellent lenses and have quite good quality control. I don't know much about MPP except that they made a good clone of the Linhof Technika. The "international" back is a copy of the Graflok back originally designed by Graflex for the Speed and Crown Graphic cameras. This back takes standard Graphic type film holders but also takes a wide variety of accessories because the ground glass spring panel can be removed easily. It has two sliding strips to hold the accessory in place. Without the spring back the it looks like the older Graflex back as used on the Graflex SLR cameras but the dimentions are differnent and the lock strip position is reversed from the Graphic type back so the Graflok or International or Universal back will not take Graflex holders or accessories. Almost all roll film adaptors and other accesories made after about the mid 1950's fit the Graflok/International type back. I repeat in case my first post got lost, that the slide switch for the shutters probably needs to be pushed in a bit to unlock it. The BACK - FRONT switch seems to be stocked. It could look as it was locked from the factory as I have difficult to see what the purpose is if it could be set at the BACK position. It is not possible to push it either. The camera could be from about 1960 and I guess the Xenar followed the camera. It has a "modern" shutter....Compur Rapid which has 1/400 sec. as fastest exposure time. So maybe I am lucky that the lens is OK. I have only tried one Xenar which was on a Rollei 35 camera. This lens was very good. Able to make very sharp Chromes. |
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MicroPress 4x5 question
"Max Perl" wrote in message ... "Nicholas O. Lindan" skrev i en meddelelse ... "Max Perl" wrote It was just for fun I purchased this camera....... as I got it for about $150 with lens Old press cameras are lots of fun. And that's a good price. The MPP's are well regarded. Did you get it with a rangefinder? If you put a 6x9 roll film back on the camera you lose the ground glass for focusing. Though you can swap backs all the time for focusing. At f22 you can do all right with the scale on the camera bed and a bit of practice judging distance. Yes it has a rangefinder and there are cams? .....think it is callsed for a 135 and 360 mm lens. The rangefinder optics need a bit of cleaning to be able to show a very clear double image. I have the ground glass and it seems easy to swap between this and a back......but of course it you use it hand hold as a press photographer you can't do that. It is the 2nd camera on this page. The newest version of the MicroPress. They also did some Techical cameras which looks quite nice. http://www.mppusers.freeuk.com/micropress2.htm The LF Nikkors are not too bad I think..... I don't think you can buy a bad modern LF lens. For lens test results: http://www.hevanet.com/cperez/results.html -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http://www.darkroomautomation.com/index.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com The cameras shown on the MPP site above appear to be clones of the late Pacemaker Speed Graphic and Crown Graphic. More about these cameras can be found at http://www.graflex.org There was also a curious camera built briefly by Busch in the USA. This was evidently intended to meet the military specification for the Speed Graphic and had a focal plane shutter. Unlike the simple FP shutter used on all Graphic and Graflex cameras the Busch shutter was self-capping and had much better speed regulation. I think it also had a revolving back but am not sure. The standard Busch models certainly did. I have only ever seen one advertisement for this camera and have never seen an actual example. Busch cameras were of very high quality and were an alternative to the Graflex models for press photography. -- --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA |
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MicroPress 4x5 question
"Richard Knoppow" skrev i en meddelelse ... "Max Perl" wrote in message ... "Nicholas O. Lindan" skrev i en meddelelse ... "Max Perl" wrote It was just for fun I purchased this camera....... as I got it for about $150 with lens Old press cameras are lots of fun. And that's a good price. The MPP's are well regarded. Did you get it with a rangefinder? If you put a 6x9 roll film back on the camera you lose the ground glass for focusing. Though you can swap backs all the time for focusing. At f22 you can do all right with the scale on the camera bed and a bit of practice judging distance. Yes it has a rangefinder and there are cams? .....think it is callsed for a 135 and 360 mm lens. The rangefinder optics need a bit of cleaning to be able to show a very clear double image. I have the ground glass and it seems easy to swap between this and a back......but of course it you use it hand hold as a press photographer you can't do that. It is the 2nd camera on this page. The newest version of the MicroPress. They also did some Techical cameras which looks quite nice. http://www.mppusers.freeuk.com/micropress2.htm The LF Nikkors are not too bad I think..... I don't think you can buy a bad modern LF lens. For lens test results: http://www.hevanet.com/cperez/results.html -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http://www.darkroomautomation.com/index.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com The cameras shown on the MPP site above appear to be clones of the late Pacemaker Speed Graphic and Crown Graphic. More about these cameras can be found at http://www.graflex.org There was also a curious camera built briefly by Busch in the USA. This was evidently intended to meet the military specification for the Speed Graphic and had a focal plane shutter. Unlike the simple FP shutter used on all Graphic and Graflex cameras the Busch shutter was self-capping and had much better speed regulation. I think it also had a revolving back but am not sure. The standard Busch models certainly did. I have only ever seen one advertisement for this camera and have never seen an actual example. Busch cameras were of very high quality and were an alternative to the Graflex models for press photography. This graflex page was quite usefull. Now I found out what "drop bed" means :-) and also why the camera can tilt the lens board back. If MicroPress is a clone then maybe it uses the same lens boards as the Pacemaker and it may be eassier to find one to mount a lens with or without built in shutter. |
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MicroPress 4x5 question
"Max The cameras shown on the MPP site above appear to be clones of the late Pacemaker Speed Graphic and Crown Graphic. More about these cameras can be found at http://www.graflex.org There was also a curious camera built briefly by Busch in the USA. This was evidently intended to meet the military specification for the Speed Graphic and had a focal plane shutter. Unlike the simple FP shutter used on all Graphic and Graflex cameras the Busch shutter was self-capping and had much better speed regulation. I think it also had a revolving back but am not sure. The standard Busch models certainly did. I have only ever seen one advertisement for this camera and have never seen an actual example. Busch cameras were of very high quality and were an alternative to the Graflex models for press photography. This graflex page was quite usefull. Now I found out what "drop bed" means :-) and also why the camera can tilt the lens board back. If MicroPress is a clone then maybe it uses the same lens boards as the Pacemaker and it may be eassier to find one to mount a lens with or without built in shutter. I don't know the MPP camera well enough to know about the lens boards. There are two series of boards for the late Graphics, one for the earlier Pacemaker and another for the later Super Graphic. The supers will work in the earlier camera but not the other way around. Both of these are stamped metal, probably aluminum, with folded in sides. I think the dimensions are on the Graflex site. I see these occasionally at local sales, usually for around $20 US. You can also sometimes get them from Midwest photo supply at: http://www.mpex.com/ One of the advantages of the focal plane shutter is the ability to use barrel mounted lenses. It would be interesting to know more about the FP shutter on the MPP camera, i.e., is it just a copy of the Graflex shutter or something more elaborate. If its like the Graflex shutter you must remember to put the dark slide back in the holder or adaptor before winding the shutter or it will expose the film. -- --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA |
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MicroPress 4x5 question
"Richard Knoppow" skrev i en meddelelse ... "Max The cameras shown on the MPP site above appear to be clones of the late Pacemaker Speed Graphic and Crown Graphic. More about these cameras can be found at http://www.graflex.org There was also a curious camera built briefly by Busch in the USA. This was evidently intended to meet the military specification for the Speed Graphic and had a focal plane shutter. Unlike the simple FP shutter used on all Graphic and Graflex cameras the Busch shutter was self-capping and had much better speed regulation. I think it also had a revolving back but am not sure. The standard Busch models certainly did. I have only ever seen one advertisement for this camera and have never seen an actual example. Busch cameras were of very high quality and were an alternative to the Graflex models for press photography. This graflex page was quite usefull. Now I found out what "drop bed" means :-) and also why the camera can tilt the lens board back. If MicroPress is a clone then maybe it uses the same lens boards as the Pacemaker and it may be eassier to find one to mount a lens with or without built in shutter. I don't know the MPP camera well enough to know about the lens boards. There are two series of boards for the late Graphics, one for the earlier Pacemaker and another for the later Super Graphic. The supers will work in the earlier camera but not the other way around. Both of these are stamped metal, probably aluminum, with folded in sides. I think the dimensions are on the Graflex site. I see these occasionally at local sales, usually for around $20 US. You can also sometimes get them from Midwest photo supply at: http://www.mpex.com/ One of the advantages of the focal plane shutter is the ability to use barrel mounted lenses. It would be interesting to know more about the FP shutter on the MPP camera, i.e., is it just a copy of the Graflex shutter or something more elaborate. If its like the Graflex shutter you must remember to put the dark slide back in the holder or adaptor before winding the shutter or it will expose the film. It is the same shutter as in the Graflex. Just read that I can use Pacemaker Graphic lens boards on the MicroPress so this it a good thing. http://www.mppusers.freeuk.com/lensboards.htm Today I got a used 6x9 Horseman back and I also purchased a 90/6.8 Angulon which I now need a lens board for. It is a nice little lens and give a bit more wideangle on 6x9 than the 135 mm Xenar. I know much better lenses are out there.....Super Angulon's etc but the 90/6.8 was cheap and good for starting up I think. It has a Synchro - Compur - P shutter which go to 1/500. The Xenar is a Rapid which goes to 1/400 and has no X/M switch. Do you know which type of flash the Rapid shutter can synch. with? The Compur shutter on the 90/6.8 has the usual little knob which normally is used for the self-timer by pushing the little knob a bit which allows the arm to go a little further. But on this shutter version it seems to have another purpose? |
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MicroPress 4x5 question
"Max Perl" wrote in message ... "Richard Knoppow" skrev i en meddelelse ... "Max The cameras shown on the MPP site above appear to be clones of the late Pacemaker Speed Graphic and Crown Graphic. More about these cameras can be found at http://www.graflex.org There was also a curious camera built briefly by Busch in the USA. This was evidently intended to meet the military specification for the Speed Graphic and had a focal plane shutter. Unlike the simple FP shutter used on all Graphic and Graflex cameras the Busch shutter was self-capping and had much better speed regulation. I think it also had a revolving back but am not sure. The standard Busch models certainly did. I have only ever seen one advertisement for this camera and have never seen an actual example. Busch cameras were of very high quality and were an alternative to the Graflex models for press photography. This graflex page was quite usefull. Now I found out what "drop bed" means :-) and also why the camera can tilt the lens board back. If MicroPress is a clone then maybe it uses the same lens boards as the Pacemaker and it may be eassier to find one to mount a lens with or without built in shutter. I don't know the MPP camera well enough to know about the lens boards. There are two series of boards for the late Graphics, one for the earlier Pacemaker and another for the later Super Graphic. The supers will work in the earlier camera but not the other way around. Both of these are stamped metal, probably aluminum, with folded in sides. I think the dimensions are on the Graflex site. I see these occasionally at local sales, usually for around $20 US. You can also sometimes get them from Midwest photo supply at: http://www.mpex.com/ One of the advantages of the focal plane shutter is the ability to use barrel mounted lenses. It would be interesting to know more about the FP shutter on the MPP camera, i.e., is it just a copy of the Graflex shutter or something more elaborate. If its like the Graflex shutter you must remember to put the dark slide back in the holder or adaptor before winding the shutter or it will expose the film. It is the same shutter as in the Graflex. Just read that I can use Pacemaker Graphic lens boards on the MicroPress so this it a good thing. http://www.mppusers.freeuk.com/lensboards.htm Today I got a used 6x9 Horseman back and I also purchased a 90/6.8 Angulon which I now need a lens board for. It is a nice little lens and give a bit more wideangle on 6x9 than the 135 mm Xenar. I know much better lenses are out there.....Super Angulon's etc but the 90/6.8 was cheap and good for starting up I think. It has a Synchro - Compur - P shutter which go to 1/500. The Xenar is a Rapid which goes to 1/400 and has no X/M switch. Do you know which type of flash the Rapid shutter can synch. with? The Compur shutter on the 90/6.8 has the usual little knob which normally is used for the self-timer by pushing the little knob a bit which allows the arm to go a little further. But on this shutter version it seems to have another purpose? The knob is for a "blade arrester" which allows you to open the shutter for focusing or composing without setting it on "time". Push the button over or down (depending on the shutter) and trip the shutter, it should stay open. To take the picture re-cock the shutter. Usually synch shutters with blade arrestors do not open quite enough to trip the flash contacts. Most shutters with unmarked synch sockets are X synch for strobe. You can check this easily by hooking up a strob and seeing if the shutter is fully open when it trips. If the shutter is set up for flashbulbs the synchronizer delays the opening until enough time has passed for the bulb to come up to full brightness, typically about 20 milliseconds. By then a strobe flash will have flashed and gone back to reading the paper. The type of shutter makes the Angulon a fairly late one. These are pretty good lenses. Some of the pre-war Angulons were not good. You can date any Schneider lens from the serial number charts on the Schneider web site. The Angulon is essentially the same type as the Dagor except the order of power of the cemented elements is reversed. The outer elements are made extra large to reduce mechanical vignetting. The lens should be stopped down to about f/22 or smaller for best sharpness away from the center. Even though the Super-Angulon is a much better lens the older design remains popular because it is so small and light in comparison and its performance is satisfactory. If the MPP is the same as the Speed Graphic it will take the 90mm Angulon on the regular flat lensboard. Unfortunately, the bent metal design of the Pacemaker type lensboard makes them difficult to make yourself unlike the earlier Anniversary Graphic lensboards. However, there were tons made so they are not too difficult to find. If you get one with a hole too large for the Angulon shutter you can always make a patch of sheet metal of similar thickness cemented to the lensboard with epoxy resin. A new hole is cut in the patch. Of course smaller holes are simple to enlarge. I think you probaby have a very good camera. I have five Speed Graphics of various ages and they are among my favorite cameras. -- --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA |
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MicroPress 4x5 question
"Richard Knoppow" skrev i en meddelelse ... "Max Perl" wrote in message ... "Richard Knoppow" skrev i en meddelelse ... "Max The cameras shown on the MPP site above appear to be clones of the late Pacemaker Speed Graphic and Crown Graphic. More about these cameras can be found at http://www.graflex.org There was also a curious camera built briefly by Busch in the USA. This was evidently intended to meet the military specification for the Speed Graphic and had a focal plane shutter. Unlike the simple FP shutter used on all Graphic and Graflex cameras the Busch shutter was self-capping and had much better speed regulation. I think it also had a revolving back but am not sure. The standard Busch models certainly did. I have only ever seen one advertisement for this camera and have never seen an actual example. Busch cameras were of very high quality and were an alternative to the Graflex models for press photography. This graflex page was quite usefull. Now I found out what "drop bed" means :-) and also why the camera can tilt the lens board back. If MicroPress is a clone then maybe it uses the same lens boards as the Pacemaker and it may be eassier to find one to mount a lens with or without built in shutter. I don't know the MPP camera well enough to know about the lens boards. There are two series of boards for the late Graphics, one for the earlier Pacemaker and another for the later Super Graphic. The supers will work in the earlier camera but not the other way around. Both of these are stamped metal, probably aluminum, with folded in sides. I think the dimensions are on the Graflex site. I see these occasionally at local sales, usually for around $20 US. You can also sometimes get them from Midwest photo supply at: http://www.mpex.com/ One of the advantages of the focal plane shutter is the ability to use barrel mounted lenses. It would be interesting to know more about the FP shutter on the MPP camera, i.e., is it just a copy of the Graflex shutter or something more elaborate. If its like the Graflex shutter you must remember to put the dark slide back in the holder or adaptor before winding the shutter or it will expose the film. It is the same shutter as in the Graflex. Just read that I can use Pacemaker Graphic lens boards on the MicroPress so this it a good thing. http://www.mppusers.freeuk.com/lensboards.htm Today I got a used 6x9 Horseman back and I also purchased a 90/6.8 Angulon which I now need a lens board for. It is a nice little lens and give a bit more wideangle on 6x9 than the 135 mm Xenar. I know much better lenses are out there.....Super Angulon's etc but the 90/6.8 was cheap and good for starting up I think. It has a Synchro - Compur - P shutter which go to 1/500. The Xenar is a Rapid which goes to 1/400 and has no X/M switch. Do you know which type of flash the Rapid shutter can synch. with? The Compur shutter on the 90/6.8 has the usual little knob which normally is used for the self-timer by pushing the little knob a bit which allows the arm to go a little further. But on this shutter version it seems to have another purpose? The knob is for a "blade arrester" which allows you to open the shutter for focusing or composing without setting it on "time". Push the button over or down (depending on the shutter) and trip the shutter, it should stay open. To take the picture re-cock the shutter. Usually synch shutters with blade arrestors do not open quite enough to trip the flash contacts. Most shutters with unmarked synch sockets are X synch for strobe. You can check this easily by hooking up a strob and seeing if the shutter is fully open when it trips. If the shutter is set up for flashbulbs the synchronizer delays the opening until enough time has passed for the bulb to come up to full brightness, typically about 20 milliseconds. By then a strobe flash will have flashed and gone back to reading the paper. The type of shutter makes the Angulon a fairly late one. These are pretty good lenses. Some of the pre-war Angulons were not good. You can date any Schneider lens from the serial number charts on the Schneider web site. The Angulon is essentially the same type as the Dagor except the order of power of the cemented elements is reversed. The outer elements are made extra large to reduce mechanical vignetting. The lens should be stopped down to about f/22 or smaller for best sharpness away from the center. Even though the Super-Angulon is a much better lens the older design remains popular because it is so small and light in comparison and its performance is satisfactory. If the MPP is the same as the Speed Graphic it will take the 90mm Angulon on the regular flat lensboard. Unfortunately, the bent metal design of the Pacemaker type lensboard makes them difficult to make yourself unlike the earlier Anniversary Graphic lensboards. However, there were tons made so they are not too difficult to find. If you get one with a hole too large for the Angulon shutter you can always make a patch of sheet metal of similar thickness cemented to the lensboard with epoxy resin. A new hole is cut in the patch. Of course smaller holes are simple to enlarge. I think you probaby have a very good camera. I have five Speed Graphics of various ages and they are among my favorite cameras. Thank you for the answers! Can see there are some lens boards for sale on ebay. It is a shame it is not at flat lensboard but I can see the idea by benting the metal to make it light proof. The Angulon goes to f/32 but for these LF lenses it seems loss of sharpness caused ny diffraction is not at problem. |
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