Nikon EN-EL14 battery

On 02/25/2015 12:14 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Bill W
wrote:

An old battery of reduced capacity will come to full charge much faster
than a new battery of full capacity...if both of course are equally
discharged.

What you are saying is that it takes just as long to fill up an empty
one gallon container as a five gallon container.

nope. i said that a partially discharged battery takes less time than a
fully discharged battery.

what you're saying is if you fill 3/4s of the empty 1 gallon container
with sand, you can fill it faster than if it was empty. the flaw is
that it's no longer a 1 gallon container anymore.

'better' batteries do not charge faster. period.

claiming that a defective battery charges faster because it's only
charging to half its rated capacity is bull****.

I think you two are talking about two different things. Philo is 100%
correct that better batteries take longer to charge,

he is wrong.

but "better" does
not refer to quality, just the condition of the battery. As batteries
degrade over time, they will charge and discharge much more quickly,
and it's especially apparent as they near failure.

nope. if a 1000 mah battery only charges to 500 mah because it has
deteriorated, it's not fully charged. it's half charged.

the time to fully charge it is infinite, because it will never reach
1000 mah anymore.

claiming that a half-charged battery is fully charged is bull****.




Nope


If an originally 1000 maH battery has been used a lot and it's capacity
is now down to 500maH it will indeed charge faster.

On 02/25/2015 12:12 PM, android wrote:
Bill W Wrote in message:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:31:57 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , philo
wrote:

On 02/25/2015 10:31 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , philo
wrote:

How long does it take to charge ....
or how long should I let the amber LED blink for ...
Is it safe to leave it over night ? It's charging in a MH-24 charger.

Reason after a while battling with a D3200 connecting it to a microscope
just as I managed to get it focused the battery died....

Apparently this battery doesn't last long or so I've been told by the
users
of the camera.
So is the battery dead and destined for the recycle bin ?
is there any way of testing the battery.

Assuming the charger is OK....the longer it takes to charge a
battery...the better is it.

nonsense. batteries charge at a constant rate and better batteries
don't take longer than not so good batteries.


***BULL ****ING *******

An old battery of reduced capacity will come to full charge much faster
than a new battery of full capacity...if both of course are equally
discharged.

What you are saying is that it takes just as long to fill up an empty
one gallon container as a five gallon container.

nope. i said that a partially discharged battery takes less time than a
fully discharged battery.

what you're saying is if you fill 3/4s of the empty 1 gallon container
with sand, you can fill it faster than if it was empty. the flaw is
that it's no longer a 1 gallon container anymore.

'better' batteries do not charge faster. period.

claiming that a defective battery charges faster because it's only
charging to half its rated capacity is bull****.

I think you two are talking about two different things. Philo is 100%
correct that better batteries take longer to charge, but "better" does
not refer to quality, just the condition of the battery. As batteries
degrade over time, they will charge and discharge much more quickly,
and it's especially apparent as they near failure.

Wrong! They will charge at about the same speed but a not so good
won't take it for as long as a better one and thus reach it
maximum charge faster. A faulty one won't take charge at
all.




Nope.

I am not talking about a /defective/ battery, such as a shorted or open cell


merely a low capacity battery which now has a reduced ampere-hour

it will charge faster simply because there is not as much to charge
(to put it simply)

philo Wrote in message:
On 02/25/2015 12:12 PM, android wrote:
Bill W Wrote in message:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:31:57 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , philo
wrote:

On 02/25/2015 10:31 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , philo
wrote:

How long does it take to charge ....
or how long should I let the amber LED blink for ...
Is it safe to leave it over night ? It's charging in a MH-24 charger.

Reason after a while battling with a D3200 connecting it to a microscope
just as I managed to get it focused the battery died....

Apparently this battery doesn't last long or so I've been told by the
users
of the camera.
So is the battery dead and destined for the recycle bin ?
is there any way of testing the battery.

Assuming the charger is OK....the longer it takes to charge a
battery...the better is it.

nonsense. batteries charge at a constant rate and better batteries
don't take longer than not so good batteries.


***BULL ****ING *******

An old battery of reduced capacity will come to full charge much faster
than a new battery of full capacity...if both of course are equally
discharged.

What you are saying is that it takes just as long to fill up an empty
one gallon container as a five gallon container.

nope. i said that a partially discharged battery takes less time than a
fully discharged battery.

what you're saying is if you fill 3/4s of the empty 1 gallon container
with sand, you can fill it faster than if it was empty. the flaw is
that it's no longer a 1 gallon container anymore.

'better' batteries do not charge faster. period.

claiming that a defective battery charges faster because it's only
charging to half its rated capacity is bull****.

I think you two are talking about two different things. Philo is 100%
correct that better batteries take longer to charge, but "better" does
not refer to quality, just the condition of the battery. As batteries
degrade over time, they will charge and discharge much more quickly,
and it's especially apparent as they near failure.

Wrong! They will charge at about the same speed but a not so good
won't take it for as long as a better one and thus reach it
maximum charge faster. A faulty one won't take charge at
all.




Nope.

I am not talking about a /defective/ battery, such as a shorted or open cell


merely a low capacity battery which now has a reduced ampere-hour

it will charge faster simply because there is not as much to charge
(to put it simply)


The latter was kinda that that I wrote. In simplified English...
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In article , philo
wrote:

If an originally 1000 maH battery has been used a lot and it's capacity
is now down to 500maH it will indeed charge faster.

nope.

charging a 1000 mah battery to 500 mah is half-charged, regardless of
whether you voluntarily removed the battery from the charger when it
reached that that point or the battery has degraded so that it can't go
past that point.

it's half-charged. you don't get to call that fully charged.

In article , philo
wrote:

I am not talking about a /defective/ battery, such as a shorted or open cell

a 1000 mah battery that can only hold 500 mah or whatever is a failing
battery.

it doesn't need to be a total failure to be considered defective.

merely a low capacity battery which now has a reduced ampere-hour

it will charge faster simply because there is not as much to charge
(to put it simply)

to put it simply, you're not fully charging it, which is why it's
faster.

obviously, half-charging a battery will take less time. no surprise
there.

what should also be obvious is that it's not fully charged, regardless
of the reason. calling it fully charged when it's only half-charged is
bull****.

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:23:52 -0600, philo wrote:

--- snip ---

Wrong! They will charge at about the same speed but a not so good
won't take it for as long as a better one and thus reach it
maximum charge faster. A faulty one won't take charge at
all.




Nope.

I am not talking about a /defective/ battery, such as a shorted or open cell


merely a low capacity battery which now has a reduced ampere-hour

it will charge faster simply because there is not as much to charge
(to put it simply)


There are several ways of interpreting "it will charge faster".
Different people are interpreting "charge faster" differently.

I think what you mean is that 'it will be charged _sooner_'. The
charging rate will not be faster, it will be exactly the same.

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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:30:57 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , philo
wrote:

I am not talking about a /defective/ battery, such as a shorted or open cell

a 1000 mah battery that can only hold 500 mah or whatever is a failing
battery.

it doesn't need to be a total failure to be considered defective.

merely a low capacity battery which now has a reduced ampere-hour

it will charge faster simply because there is not as much to charge
(to put it simply)

to put it simply, you're not fully charging it, which is why it's
faster.

obviously, half-charging a battery will take less time. no surprise
there.

what should also be obvious is that it's not fully charged, regardless
of the reason. calling it fully charged when it's only half-charged is
bull****.

It depends whether you assess start of charge by Q or V: Quantity of
electricity or Voltage at the terminals.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


I am not talking about a /defective/ battery, such as a shorted or open cell
merely a low capacity battery which now has a reduced ampere-hour
it will charge faster simply because there is not as much to charge
(to put it simply)

There are several ways of interpreting "it will charge faster".
Different people are interpreting "charge faster" differently.

I think what you mean is that 'it will be charged _sooner_'. The
charging rate will not be faster, it will be exactly the same.

exactly, and 'sooner' is only because it's being partially charged.

if you remove a 'new' battery when it's partially charged, it will take
the same amount of time.

calling a battery 'fully charged' when it's only charged to half its
rated capacity is simply bull****, regardless of the reason.

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:14:18 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Bill W
wrote:

An old battery of reduced capacity will come to full charge much faster
than a new battery of full capacity...if both of course are equally
discharged.

What you are saying is that it takes just as long to fill up an empty
one gallon container as a five gallon container.

nope. i said that a partially discharged battery takes less time than a
fully discharged battery.

what you're saying is if you fill 3/4s of the empty 1 gallon container
with sand, you can fill it faster than if it was empty. the flaw is
that it's no longer a 1 gallon container anymore.

'better' batteries do not charge faster. period.

claiming that a defective battery charges faster because it's only
charging to half its rated capacity is bull****.

I think you two are talking about two different things. Philo is 100%
correct that better batteries take longer to charge,

he is wrong.

but "better" does
not refer to quality, just the condition of the battery. As batteries
degrade over time, they will charge and discharge much more quickly,
and it's especially apparent as they near failure.

nope. if a 1000 mah battery only charges to 500 mah because it has
deteriorated, it's not fully charged. it's half charged.

the time to fully charge it is infinite, because it will never reach
1000 mah anymore.

claiming that a half-charged battery is fully charged is bull****.

This is just semantics. That specific batter is fully charged, even
though it has not, and will not, reach it's rated capacity. It does,
however, reach it's actual capacity, and therefore the charger turns
off. When most people say fully charged, they mean the point at which
the charger shuts off. The charger gets to determine when it's fully
charged, and that's all anyone means. It's a handy bit of knowledge -
when your charger starts turning off sooner and sooner, it's time to
look into a new battery.

In article , Bill W
wrote:

but "better" does
not refer to quality, just the condition of the battery. As batteries
degrade over time, they will charge and discharge much more quickly,
and it's especially apparent as they near failure.

nope. if a 1000 mah battery only charges to 500 mah because it has
deteriorated, it's not fully charged. it's half charged.

the time to fully charge it is infinite, because it will never reach
1000 mah anymore.

claiming that a half-charged battery is fully charged is bull****.

This is just semantics. That specific batter is fully charged, even
though it has not, and will not, reach it's rated capacity.

no it isn't. it's partially charged.

It does,
however, reach it's actual capacity, and therefore the charger turns
off. When most people say fully charged, they mean the point at which
the charger shuts off.

nope. when people say fully charged, they mean it's rated capacity.
anything less than that is not a full charge.

The charger gets to determine when it's fully
charged, and that's all anyone means. It's a handy bit of knowledge -
when your charger starts turning off sooner and sooner, it's time to
look into a new battery.

the better batteries communicate the battery capacity to the device.

the better chargers show the measured battery capacity so you know how
much it has degraded, even if the battery doesn't communicate it.

the not so good chargers just shut off when fully charged. since nobody
uses a stopwatch to time it, there's no way to know how long it took.

the ****ty chargers are timer based and don't shut off on charge level.
they assume full discharge and will overcharge a partially discharged
or deteriorating battery.