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Old June 27th 12, 06:03 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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On 27/06/2012 1:48 p.m., RichA wrote:
They better release the D400 soon....

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1039

Quite seriously, perhaps they won't.
If the D600 is around $2k (possible) and capable of high burst speed (ie
higher than the D800), then there will probably be only a few determined
pro/semi pro shooters in need of both a top-class AF system and high
burst rate in DX format, prepared to pay close to $2k for the privilege.
I rather hope that a "D400" might be a bombshell, like the D3, D300, and
D800/E have been when released.

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Old June 28th 12, 04:40 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Me wrote in :

On 27/06/2012 1:48 p.m., RichA wrote:
They better release the D400 soon....

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1039

Quite seriously, perhaps they won't.
If the D600 is around $2k (possible) and capable of high burst speed

(ie
higher than the D800), then there will probably be only a few

determined
pro/semi pro shooters in need of both a top-class AF system and high
burst rate in DX format, prepared to pay close to $2k for the

privilege.
I rather hope that a "D400" might be a bombshell, like the D3, D300,

and
D800/E have been when released.



The only way that would happen is with a radically new body or something
crazy, like a 40mp DX sensor. Maybe I'm thinking small, but what can
they do with a DX camera above and beyond the D300 that would be that
radical?
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Old June 28th 12, 05:45 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Default Dpreview's Nikon D300 forum dead as a door nail

On 28/06/2012 3:40 p.m., Rich wrote:
Me wrote in :

On 27/06/2012 1:48 p.m., RichA wrote:
They better release the D400 soon....

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1039

Quite seriously, perhaps they won't.
If the D600 is around $2k (possible) and capable of high burst speed

(ie
higher than the D800), then there will probably be only a few

determined
pro/semi pro shooters in need of both a top-class AF system and high
burst rate in DX format, prepared to pay close to $2k for the

privilege.
I rather hope that a "D400" might be a bombshell, like the D3, D300,

and
D800/E have been when released.



The only way that would happen is with a radically new body or something
crazy, like a 40mp DX sensor. Maybe I'm thinking small, but what can
they do with a DX camera above and beyond the D300 that would be that
radical?

Interchangeable prism and EVF, with on-sensor CD AF system for EVF/LV
modes with the mirror locked up, switching back to the 51 point CDAF
system when the prism is fitted.
Have you looked through the higher end Sony slt EVFs?. There is still
some noticeable lag, but the viewfinder image quality really is
extremely good. I could live with that most of the time, but wouldn't
want to be stuck with it all the time.

(I don't realistically expect that the above will be the specs for the
"D400")

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Old June 28th 12, 11:16 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Default Dpreview's Nikon D300 forum dead as a door nail

On 28/06/2012 9:33 p.m., Bruce wrote:
Rich wrote:

Me wrote in :

On 27/06/2012 1:48 p.m., RichA wrote:
They better release the D400 soon....

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1039

Quite seriously, perhaps they won't.
If the D600 is around $2k (possible) and capable of high burst speed

(ie
higher than the D800), then there will probably be only a few

determined
pro/semi pro shooters in need of both a top-class AF system and high
burst rate in DX format, prepared to pay close to $2k for the

privilege.
I rather hope that a "D400" might be a bombshell, like the D3, D300,

and
D800/E have been when released.



The only way that would happen is with a radically new body or something
crazy, like a 40mp DX sensor. Maybe I'm thinking small, but what can
they do with a DX camera above and beyond the D300 that would be that
radical?



The $64,000 question is:

Will anyone get excited about a D400 that has only the same Sony 24 MP
APS-C sensor as the entry-level D3200?

The Nikon D3200 doesn't have a Sony sensor.

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Old June 28th 12, 11:44 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Bruce wrote:
Rich wrote:


Me wrote in :

On 27/06/2012 1:48 p.m., RichA wrote:
They better release the D400 soon....

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1039

Quite seriously, perhaps they won't.
If the D600 is around $2k (possible) and capable of high burst speed

(ie
higher than the D800), then there will probably be only a few

determined
pro/semi pro shooters in need of both a top-class AF system and high
burst rate in DX format, prepared to pay close to $2k for the

privilege.
I rather hope that a "D400" might be a bombshell, like the D3, D300,

and
D800/E have been when released.



The only way that would happen is with a radically new body or something
crazy, like a 40mp DX sensor. Maybe I'm thinking small, but what can
they do with a DX camera above and beyond the D300 that would be that
radical?


The $64,000 question is:


Will anyone get excited about a D400 that has only the same Sony 24 MP
APS-C sensor as the entry-level D3200?


Probably the same silly technical pedants that got excited about new
camera bodies back in in the old film days when the same sensors were
cheaply available for any camera.

--
Chris Malcolm
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Old June 28th 12, 11:47 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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On 28/06/2012 4:45 p.m., Me wrote:
On 28/06/2012 3:40 p.m., Rich wrote:
Me wrote in :

On 27/06/2012 1:48 p.m., RichA wrote:
They better release the D400 soon....

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1039

Quite seriously, perhaps they won't.
If the D600 is around $2k (possible) and capable of high burst speed

(ie
higher than the D800), then there will probably be only a few

determined
pro/semi pro shooters in need of both a top-class AF system and high
burst rate in DX format, prepared to pay close to $2k for the

privilege.
I rather hope that a "D400" might be a bombshell, like the D3, D300,

and
D800/E have been when released.



The only way that would happen is with a radically new body or something
crazy, like a 40mp DX sensor. Maybe I'm thinking small, but what can
they do with a DX camera above and beyond the D300 that would be that
radical?

Interchangeable prism and EVF, with on-sensor CD AF system for EVF/LV
modes with the mirror locked up, switching back to the 51 point CDAF
system when the prism is fitted.


Assuming you mean a hybrid viewfinder like the Fuji X100 and X Pro 1
(except that the OFV would be utilising the prism, mirror, and lens)
rather than a detachable prism head to be replaceable with an EVF head,
I agree.

And the AF system should be an enhanced version of the hybrid system of
the System 1 cameras, with on sensor PD AF as well as CD AF (enhanced
sufficiently that you would only need to use CD AF for accuracy, not as
in the Series 1 cameras for low light).

Whether that is this year though, I don't know.

Apteryx


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Old June 28th 12, 04:53 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Rich wrote:
The only way that would happen is with a radically new body or something
crazy, like a 40mp DX sensor. Maybe I'm thinking small, but what can
they do with a DX camera above and beyond the D300 that would be that
radical?


I'd be happy with the D7000 sensor/etc in a D300ish body. Not unlike the
D80/D200 and D90/D300 distinction pairing Nikon used to go for.

In other words, better resolution, less noise than the D300 sensor, the
newer AF engine, but with the D300 body size and ergonomics. And CF
cards.

They don't need to go for a radical improvement; it's just that Nikon
hasn't introduced a camera that fills the same product niche as the
D300.

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Old June 28th 12, 11:37 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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On 29/06/2012 12:45 a.m., RichA wrote:
On Jun 28, 12:45 am, Me wrote:
On 28/06/2012 3:40 p.m., Rich wrote:







Me wrote :


On 27/06/2012 1:48 p.m., RichA wrote:
They better release the D400 soon....


http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1039


Quite seriously, perhaps they won't.
If the D600 is around $2k (possible) and capable of high burst speed
(ie
higher than the D800), then there will probably be only a few
determined
pro/semi pro shooters in need of both a top-class AF system and high
burst rate in DX format, prepared to pay close to $2k for the
privilege.
I rather hope that a "D400" might be a bombshell, like the D3, D300,
and
D800/E have been when released.


The only way that would happen is with a radically new body or something
crazy, like a 40mp DX sensor. Maybe I'm thinking small, but what can
they do with a DX camera above and beyond the D300 that would be that
radical?


Interchangeable prism and EVF, with on-sensor CD AF system for EVF/LV
modes with the mirror locked up, switching back to the 51 point CDAF
system when the prism is fitted.
Have you looked through the higher end Sony slt EVFs?. There is still
some noticeable lag, but the viewfinder image quality really is
extremely good. I could live with that most of the time, but wouldn't
want to be stuck with it all the time.

(I don't realistically expect that the above will be the specs for the
"D400")


Well, that's all interesting and highly unlikely as Nikon for the
moment has chosen the (eesh!) V1/J1 system as their mirrorless
offering. Creating a mirrored system with a EVF live view would be
interesting, but against the whole idea of shrinking size by
eliminating the long path taken up by the mirror box.

If it were to be a "D300 class" camera, then small size isn't such an
advantage. The OMD is an example of something too small with too many
fiddly controls for me - I am not impressed with the ergonomics at all,
but YMMV.

There's nothing inherently wrong with the one system format IMO, but the
price is high, the design unappealing (to me), and my local camera store
guys tell me that they are not selling very well at all, and make very
lukewarm comments about the cameras.
Nikon have (IMO) made a mistake. Even if the CX sensor format could be
accepted, they did not make a camera which appeals to "serious"
photographers (and camera store guys), and the soccer mums or whoever
else this system was supposed to be targeted at will all know have some
family expert or friend who will not have nice things to say about the
system. Unless Nikon introduce an advanced CX format body - and even
that's a long shot - I think this system is doomed.
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Old July 1st 12, 10:44 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:33:56 +0100, Bruce wrote:
: The $64,000 question is:
:
: Will anyone get excited about a D400 that has only the same Sony 24 MP
: APS-C sensor as the entry-level D3200?

In the Canon world, I believe the 7D has the same (18MP) sensor as the T2i
(550D). I guess the 7D had it first, so the situations may not be precisely
comparable.

Bob
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Old July 2nd 12, 08:36 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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"Robert Coe" wrote in message
...
In the Canon world, I believe the 7D has the same (18MP) sensor as the T2i
(550D). I guess the 7D had it first, so the situations may not be
precisely
comparable.


Yes and it's a bit strange the 550 has been replaced by first the 600D and
now the 650D, and the 7D lacks so many of the latters features and still
sells for twice as much. Although I doubt they sell many these days,
presumably so few they don't think an upgrade is even worth the effort.

Trevor.




 




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