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Old June 12th 07, 05:03 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Default Pentax K10D or Canon 30D

Getting ready to finally take the plunge here after sitting on the
sidelines (and having the use of a *ist DS)

I've narrowed it down to the 30D and K10D. I like the 30D for the fast
5fps as I take a lot of sports photos, but think I may be able to live
with the K10D's 3 fps (if it really is that fast, the 2fps the *ist is
supposed to get I have never been able to do)

Economic's as well as being a long time Pentax user may factor in favour
of the K10D, the camera being cheaper to begin with and if I buy the
body only I can use any one of my 28-70 af lenses from my MZ10's & MZ7
as well as some of my older K mount primes and zooms.

However I am still impressed with the 30D, nothing I have been able to
find in its price range can match the fps speed, and I've read that the
larger megapixels with the same size sensor is not neccesarily a good
thing (more noise etc.)

So, for under 1000C$ I can get going with the K10D, but will using it
with the older autofocus lenses from my film camera's be satisfactory or
should I spring for one of the lenses made specifically for the digital?
75% of my shooting will be with one of these utility lenses, but I
do do some with my older 80-200 and my old 50mm super takumar (with k
adaptor)

The 30d will set me back quite a bit more, but if I spring for a decent
lens (28-300ish) it would do for pretty well all my shooting.

decisions decisions...
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Old June 12th 07, 05:48 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Default Pentax K10D or Canon 30D

So, for under 1000C$ I can get going with the K10D, but will using it
with the older autofocus lenses from my film camera's be satisfactory
or should I spring for one of the lenses made specifically for the
digital?


By all accounts, you don't need digital-specific lenses to get good
results. Some folks have reported being disappointed with the metering
on older lenses - specifically, I believe, those with no "A" position.
The claim is that the metering works well when relatively wide open, but
gets a bit off as you stop down (it decreases the shutter speed, of
cours,e but not necessarily by wquite the right amount). Some claim
further that this is related to the focusing screen - putting in a
different one seems to solve the problem. I guess the idea is that the
meter is being confused by the amount of light coming in from the
viewfinder or perhaps being reflected off it. Anyhow, others claim
there is no problem at all, and in any cases, sheesh, this is digital:
take a test shot, check the histogram, and set your own exposure!

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Old June 12th 07, 06:23 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Jürgen Exner
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Default Pentax K10D or Canon 30D

GS wrote:
or should I spring for one of the lenses made specifically for the
digital?


Only if you want to save weight. Those lenses specifically made for DSLRs
have a smaller picture suited only for the smaller sensor but not for the
larger film. Therefore they can be made smaller, lighter and cheaper.
But on the other hand of course designers are pushing the limits within
those smaller boundaries now just as they did with lenses for film cameras.
That means when using lenses which were designed for film cameras a DSLR
with its smaller sensor would pick up only the center of the picture and
ignore the weak edges and corners.
Now with the redesigned smaller picture for DSLRs the weak edges and corners
are back within the borders of the sensor.

jue


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Old June 12th 07, 09:59 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Default Pentax K10D or Canon 30D

K10d: you have lenses, camera has image stabilization, same sensor as in
Nikon and Sony
Canon: ?
How is this a hard decision?


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Old June 12th 07, 10:15 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Default Pentax K10D or Canon 30D

gowanoh wrote:
K10d: you have lenses, camera has image stabilization, same sensor as in
Nikon and Sony
Canon: ?
How is this a hard decision?


Canon - 5fps (big plus), stellar reputation from what I have read on
this group and other reviews.

However, the scales are in the K10D's favour right now. As far as IS
goes, I don't really see the need for it, but then again I've never used
it, other than perhaps eliminating the need for a tripod on those
borderline 1/30th shots etc.?

The only person I know that has used IS has a K100 and he says that if
he tries to shoot without it the results are usually less than stellar,
but he is not a serious photographer and I have no idea what conditions
or settings he was using.
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Old June 13th 07, 03:50 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Default Pentax K10D or Canon 30D

jean wrote:

If your Pentax lenses have fast focus motors, then stay with Pentax. 5fps
is nice as long as the lenses can follow, in the Canon system, only the very
best lenses can do that.



None of my Pentax lenses have focus motors. The motors in my cameras are
all in the body.

The first consumer grade auto focus camera ever (a Pentax) had the motor
in the lens, but they quickly canceled that idea.

http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/technology/AF/index.html





mike
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Old June 13th 07, 04:22 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
jean
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Default Pentax K10D or Canon 30D


"GS" a écrit dans le message de
news:4tzbi.17662$vT6.16028@edtnps90...
Getting ready to finally take the plunge here after sitting on the
sidelines (and having the use of a *ist DS)

I've narrowed it down to the 30D and K10D. I like the 30D for the fast
5fps as I take a lot of sports photos, but think I may be able to live
with the K10D's 3 fps (if it really is that fast, the 2fps the *ist is
supposed to get I have never been able to do)

Economic's as well as being a long time Pentax user may factor in favour
of the K10D, the camera being cheaper to begin with and if I buy the
body only I can use any one of my 28-70 af lenses from my MZ10's & MZ7
as well as some of my older K mount primes and zooms.

However I am still impressed with the 30D, nothing I have been able to
find in its price range can match the fps speed, and I've read that the
larger megapixels with the same size sensor is not neccesarily a good
thing (more noise etc.)

So, for under 1000C$ I can get going with the K10D, but will using it
with the older autofocus lenses from my film camera's be satisfactory or
should I spring for one of the lenses made specifically for the digital?
75% of my shooting will be with one of these utility lenses, but I
do do some with my older 80-200 and my old 50mm super takumar (with k
adaptor)

The 30d will set me back quite a bit more, but if I spring for a decent
lens (28-300ish) it would do for pretty well all my shooting.

decisions decisions...


If your Pentax lenses have fast focus motors, then stay with Pentax. 5fps
is nice as long as the lenses can follow, in the Canon system, only the very
best lenses can do that.

Something to think about...

Jean


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Old June 13th 07, 09:23 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Pete D[_2_]
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Default Pentax K10D or Canon 30D


"m II" wrote in message
news:xXIbi.22086$nx3.20036@edtnps89...
jean wrote:

If your Pentax lenses have fast focus motors, then stay with Pentax.
5fps
is nice as long as the lenses can follow, in the Canon system, only the
very
best lenses can do that.



None of my Pentax lenses have focus motors. The motors in my cameras are
all in the body.

The first consumer grade auto focus camera ever (a Pentax) had the motor
in the lens, but they quickly canceled that idea.

http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/technology/AF/index.html





mike


But they are bringing them back in their premium lenses.


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Old June 13th 07, 03:18 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Default Pentax K10D or Canon 30D

Pete D wrote:
"m II" wrote in message
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jean wrote:


If your Pentax lenses have fast focus motors, then stay with Pentax.
5fps
is nice as long as the lenses can follow, in the Canon system, only the
very
best lenses can do that.



None of my Pentax lenses have focus motors. The motors in my cameras are
all in the body.

The first consumer grade auto focus camera ever (a Pentax) had the motor
in the lens, but they quickly canceled that idea.

http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/technology/AF/index.html





mike



But they are bringing them back in their premium lenses.



Thanks all for the replies.

As it stands now, the K10D is the front runner, I can find a brand new
body for just under C$800, which is a huge savings over the 30D. Plus,
to the best of my knowledge the lenses from my MZ's should work fine,
but I'm going to try the *ist DS I have access to with them just to make
sure..

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Old June 13th 07, 05:39 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Wolfgang Weisselberg
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Default Pentax K10D or Canon 30D

GS wrote:

However, the scales are in the K10D's favour right now. As far as IS
goes, I don't really see the need for it, but then again I've never used
it, other than perhaps eliminating the need for a tripod on those
borderline 1/30th shots etc.?


Try taking a 1/40s shot with effectively 320mm ...

-Wolfgang
 




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