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digital MP filesize vs output
I've been reading online for a simple answer to this and cannot find it:
any advice/pointers ? Perhaps this is obvious to everyone here, but to JUST take a photo and print it on 4x6 - and SEE all of the original photo, what's the trick ? Other than selecting my now new setting of "2mp 2x3 " I've got SIMPLE digital cameras ( Kodak, Sony) and until now didn't want to print any 4x6's , but now that I do want to do it, I noticed that the pictures were clipped. I started looking at settings. I normally save in 5.0 MP mode - thinking that I'll not print anything that large, but 'better to have it too big than not big enough ' ( no comments) Camera goes to 8MP but not printing anything large. BUT, my cameras have been saving pix in 4x3 aspect ratio ( like ... 800x600 or 1024x768 - designed for Monitors - not paper) , so when I print on 4x6 paper , it gets clipped. I MANUALLY went in and modified them to be 88% of saved size and now = correct ratio, but got me thinking/ looking at camera options. The ONLY setting that is in 3x2 ratio ( or 2x3) is 2MP mode. At Microsoft I found a program to resize via right-click on filename, but still same ( wrong ?) aspect ratio. After researching I see that, in my head, I was confusing DPI with PPI - so the concept was distorted. http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tut...mera-pixel.htm http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...stquality.mspx http://www.scrapjazz.com/topics/Phot...graphy/413.php Here I see a chart - recommendations of Image size to Photo size but shows Photo size as 4x3 ratio , yet print as 2x3 ratio etc I'm " not getting it". Anyone have any URL's that better explain how to take a photo and have it print ALL of what I see if I load it on monitor ? Thanks |
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"- Bobb -" wrote in message ... I've been reading online for a simple answer to this and cannot find it: any advice/pointers ? Hi. There is no really easy answer. Your camera takes pictures in 4 x 3 aspect ratio. The paper is 6 x 4 aspect ratio. If you enlarge your image so that the long side is 6 inches the short sides will be 4.5 inches. Print that onto 6 x 4 paper and you lose a half inch of image. If you enlarge your image so that the short side is 4 inches, then the long side will be around 5.3 inches, so you will have roughly half an inch of white paper showing at either end. You have to choose which way you want to go. This is not a new problem, and has applied since the very early days of film cameras. Paper ratios practically never match image ratios. Roy G |
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- Bobb - wrote:
Photo size as 4x3 ratio , yet print as 2x3 ratio etc I'm " not getting it". What Roy G said... What I find imensely frustrating is that in the film days I could get 12x8" prints for my 36x24mm negatives or slides. Today, I cannot get 12x8" printer paper for my printer... I usually print with white space and then matte or cut, but it would be nice to have 12x8" paper ... or easy to find 24x16" paper. -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. -- usenet posts from gmail.com and googlemail.com are filtered out. |
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"Roy G" wrote in message ... "- Bobb -" wrote in message ... I've been reading online for a simple answer to this and cannot find it: any advice/pointers ? Hi. There is no really easy answer. Your camera takes pictures in 4 x 3 aspect ratio. The paper is 6 x 4 aspect ratio. You have to choose which way you want to go. This is not a new problem, and has applied since the very early days of film cameras. Paper ratios practically never match image ratios. Roy G I'm not being a wise-guy , but is there a reason for that ? I can't imagine that ... way back when , someone said - I've developed a (digital) camera that uses 4x3 aspect ratio , but let's NOT make paper for it ? At CVS they have several Kodak kiosks - none have paper for 4x3 . They make money from film,paper .... but do not want to make paper to fit every digital camera in the world ??? Strange. I had these photos developed at CVS and on the sleeve in the store ( to insert cd to order prints), there IS a check off box for 6x8 ( which would work for the 4x3), but they don't have a price for it / use it. I asked at the time "why is it on the package?" - clerk didn't know. I ordered thinking that their computer would scale info. I didn't know how , but that's what I thought I was getting. SO I just picked up 75 pictures that have some part of photo missing. A lot of scenery so some look dumb- distant trees with no trunks One is of a sign and the bottom row of letters from sign is missing, so upper part makes no sense... I can/will use the 3:2 ratio setting on my cameras now, but now realize I can't print all of the photos I've ever taken AND have them look right ? That's very weird. |
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"- Bobb -" wrote:
Perhaps this is obvious to everyone here, but to JUST take a photo and print it on 4x6 - and SEE all of the original photo, what's the trick ? Very simple: you need a camera with an aspect ratio of 1:1.5. I've got SIMPLE digital cameras ( Kodak, Sony) and until now didn't want to print any 4x6's , but now that I do want to do it, I noticed that the pictures were clipped. There are three options for photos with non-matching aspect ratios : - clip/crop those edges, that extend beyond the desired ratio. - fill in those areas, that don't extend to the desired ratio (aka letter boxing) - distort the photo by stretching it to match the new aspect ratio There simply are no other options to fit a square peg into a round hole. jue |
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Alan Browne wrote:
Today, I cannot get 12x8" printer paper for my printer... That's 203x305mm. A4 is 210×297mm. Would that be close enough? jue |
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- Bobb - wrote:
"Roy G" wrote in message ... "- Bobb -" wrote in message ... I've been reading online for a simple answer to this and cannot find it: any advice/pointers ? Hi. There is no really easy answer. Your camera takes pictures in 4 x 3 aspect ratio. The paper is 6 x 4 aspect ratio. You have to choose which way you want to go. This is not a new problem, and has applied since the very early days of film cameras. Paper ratios practically never match image ratios. Roy G I'm not being a wise-guy , but is there a reason for that ? I can't imagine that ... way back when , someone said - I've developed a (digital) camera that uses 4x3 aspect ratio , but let's NOT make paper for it ? At CVS they have several Kodak kiosks - none have paper for 4x3 . They make money from film,paper .... but do not want to make paper to fit every digital camera in the world ??? Strange. The standard photo print sizes were established long, long before there was such a thing as a digital camera. I had these photos developed at CVS and on the sleeve in the store ( to insert cd to order prints), there IS a check off box for 6x8 ( which would work for the 4x3), but they don't have a price for it / use it. I asked at the time "why is it on the package?" - clerk didn't know. I ordered thinking that their computer would scale info. I didn't know how , but that's what I thought I was getting. SO I just picked up 75 pictures that have some part of photo missing. A lot of scenery so some look dumb- distant trees with no trunks One is of a sign and the bottom row of letters from sign is missing, so upper part makes no sense... I can/will use the 3:2 ratio setting on my cameras now, but now realize I can't print all of the photos I've ever taken AND have them look right ? That's very weird. There's a reason that professional photographers don't print right out of the camera. Use Photoshop Elements or whatever other software you choose to edit the image to the format you need before you send it out to print. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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J. Clarke wrote:
[] There's a reason that professional photographers don't print right out of the camera. Use Photoshop Elements or whatever other software you choose to edit the image to the format you need before you send it out to print. ... although as an amateur who took slides, rather than prints, in the pre-digital age, I still try to get the image right in the camera, and without post-processing. This minimises the work, as, well, and allows you to concentrate your post-processing time on images which really need it. Cheers, David |
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J. Clarke wrote:
- Bobb - wrote: "Roy G" wrote in message ... "- Bobb -" wrote in message ... I've been reading online for a simple answer to this and cannot find it: any advice/pointers ? Hi. There is no really easy answer. Your camera takes pictures in 4 x 3 aspect ratio. The paper is 6 x 4 aspect ratio. You have to choose which way you want to go. This is not a new problem, and has applied since the very early days of film cameras. Paper ratios practically never match image ratios. Roy G I'm not being a wise-guy , but is there a reason for that ? I can't imagine that ... way back when , someone said - I've developed a (digital) camera that uses 4x3 aspect ratio , but let's NOT make paper for it ? At CVS they have several Kodak kiosks - none have paper for 4x3 . They make money from film,paper .... but do not want to make paper to fit every digital camera in the world ??? Strange. The standard photo print sizes were established long, long before there was such a thing as a digital camera. I had these photos developed at CVS and on the sleeve in the store ( to insert cd to order prints), there IS a check off box for 6x8 ( which would work for the 4x3), but they don't have a price for it / use it. I asked at the time "why is it on the package?" - clerk didn't know. I ordered thinking that their computer would scale info. I didn't know how , but that's what I thought I was getting. SO I just picked up 75 pictures that have some part of photo missing. A lot of scenery so some look dumb- distant trees with no trunks One is of a sign and the bottom row of letters from sign is missing, so upper part makes no sense... I can/will use the 3:2 ratio setting on my cameras now, but now realize I can't print all of the photos I've ever taken AND have them look right ? That's very weird. There's a reason that professional photographers don't print right out of the camera. Use Photoshop Elements or whatever other software you choose to edit the image to the format you need before you send it out to print. Why do you have to print to the standard sizes? Those standards were create based on 70 year old technology. I print pictures for family and print them on the standard letter size photo paper and cut them apart. I have maximized the digital format so I get the four of the largest size possible of in the digital ratio on the letter size paper. Depending on margins required by the printer you can get -- 5 X 3.8 inch pictures per letter size page |
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digital MP filesize vs output
"- Bobb -" wrote in message ... "Roy G" wrote in message ... "- Bobb -" wrote in message ... I've been reading online for a simple answer to this and cannot find it: any advice/pointers ? Hi. There is no really easy answer. Your camera takes pictures in 4 x 3 aspect ratio. The paper is 6 x 4 aspect ratio. You have to choose which way you want to go. This is not a new problem, and has applied since the very early days of film cameras. Paper ratios practically never match image ratios. Roy G I'm not being a wise-guy , but is there a reason for that ? I can't imagine that ... way back when , someone said - I've developed a (digital) camera that uses 4x3 aspect ratio , but let's NOT make paper for it ? If you had actually read my response you would have seen that I said, it has applied since the very early days of FILM Cameras, and I believe even in the days when cameras used glass plates. There have always been a variety of image ratios, and still are. P & S tend to be 4 x 3, DSLRs tend to be 3 x 2, and there are probably other ratios among the large format professional cameras, (but since I am never going to have over £30k to spend on one I don't really know or care). If you look at paper sizes you will see a variety of ratios which might match some image ratios, but not all. What I have always said is that there are very few images which won't be improved by some judicious cropping. Roy G |
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