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Restoring a stained 8x10 diacetate copy negative
"Carl Wegerer" wrote in message
news [SNIP] I left out the word "copy". It is a copy negative, so it does not have any retouching. I won it Sunday morning, so it has not yet arrived. Here is a link to image: http://i20.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/8c/a7/07fc_12.JPG. The seller has been selling vintage prints and negatives for some time. A great deal of the items are from Hurrell. Beautiful lighting on this one, a nice Hurrell example. Any idea who the model is? Peter |
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"Bandicoot" wrote in message ... "Carl Wegerer" wrote in message news [SNIP] I left out the word "copy". It is a copy negative, so it does not have any retouching. I won it Sunday morning, so it has not yet arrived. Here is a link to image: http://i20.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/8c/a7/07fc_12.JPG. The seller has been selling vintage prints and negatives for some time. A great deal of the items are from Hurrell. Beautiful lighting on this one, a nice Hurrell example. Any idea who the model is? Peter Norma Shearer as mentioned in the original post. She was married to Irving Thalberg who was in charge of production at M-G-M before his early death. He is attrbuted with having a very large influence in the quality of M-G-M movies and was notorious for making people wait for days to see him. Norma Shearer's brother, Douglas, was instrumental in moving M-G-M into sound and ran the sound department for decades. I consider Norma Shearer a very under-rated actress. -- --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Restoring a stained 8x10 diacetate copy negative
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David Nebenzahl wrote: Richard Knoppow spake thus: I suggested making a duplicate negative because it is one way of removing stains and some other blemishes without damaging the original. I would be very reluctant to subject this negative to any chemical treatment. How about just a rinse in plain water? Seems as if that would be a benign process not likely to damage the film, although it's an open question if it would do any good. Worth a try? If the negative has been retouched, a water rinse may remove the retouching or, worse, cause it to stain adjacent areas of the film. You want to be pretty careful doing _anything_ to film or even prints that may have been hand-retouched. -- Thor Lancelot Simon "All of my opinions are consistent, but I cannot present them all at once." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau, On The Social Contract |
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Restoring a stained 8x10 diacetate copy negative
Thor Lancelot Simon spake thus:
In article , David Nebenzahl wrote: Richard Knoppow spake thus: I suggested making a duplicate negative because it is one way of removing stains and some other blemishes without damaging the original. I would be very reluctant to subject this negative to any chemical treatment. How about just a rinse in plain water? Seems as if that would be a benign process not likely to damage the film, although it's an open question if it would do any good. Worth a try? If the negative has been retouched, a water rinse may remove the retouching or, worse, cause it to stain adjacent areas of the film. You want to be pretty careful doing _anything_ to film or even prints that may have been hand-retouched. Yes, that's true, but it should be possible to tell if it has been retouched by looking at it under a strong light, no? Besides, the O.P. said it was a copy negative, not likely to have been retouched. -- Don't talk to me, those of you who must need to be slammed in the forehead with a maul before you'll GET IT that Wikipedia is a time-wasting, totality of CRAP...don't talk to me, don't keep bleating like naifs, that we should somehow waste MORE of our lives writing a variorum text that would be put up on that site. It is a WASTE OF TIME. - Harlan Ellison, writing on the "talk page" of his Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Harlan_Ellison) |
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"Thor Lancelot Simon" wrote
This is probably true of print-retouching products. But materials used to build density on negatives are generally water soluble, at least to some degree. Some that come to mind are india ink, Kodak Crocein Scarlet, Spot Tone Dyene, and carbon black in various binders. These are not things you want floating around a water bath with your negative! The day-to-day negative retouching I am familiar with used pencils. Kodak still mentions in the data sheet if the film base has enough tooth for pencil retouching. I have an ancient bottle of 'Kodak Retouching Fluid' (still liquid), a matte lacquer that would take a pencil mark. The fluid was applied to the base side of the negative. And there is some sort of rubbing compound for reducing negative emulsion. Cocine/crocein dye comes off, but I think you need to add ammonia to the water. As Thor said, these won't take kindly to a good soaking. OTOH, if it is a production copy negative then the retouching was done to the master and the copies won't have any retouch. If you look closely at old prints you can see the pencil marks. 'Adams' retouching machines vibrated the negative so as to blur the retouching. Still find them on ebay. I'll be d_m'd, here is a site with all the above: http://www.leadholder.com/index.html...non-kodak.html A site devoted to lead holders ... what next - zest graters? -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http://www.darkroomautomation/index.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com |
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Restoring a stained 8x10 diacetate copy negative
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Nicholas O. Lindan wrote: And there is some sort of rubbing compound for reducing negative emulsion. Kodak Abrasive Reducer! The stuff has always scared me, and I never learned to use it. -- Thor Lancelot Simon "All of my opinions are consistent, but I cannot present them all at once." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau, On The Social Contract |
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And that would be http://graters.info/
darkroommike Nicholas O. Lindan wrote: --snip-- A site devoted to lead holders ... what next - zest graters? |
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