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lack of knowledge about printing
I'm preparing to enter my first art show by the end of the year and I want
to be able to sell fine art prints and also smaller flip-matted prints. The problem is I know very little about making prints from digital. I'm very familiar with making prints from film and have my own dark room, but it's been almost a year since I used it. Since purchasing the 20D my 35mm SLR gets little to no attention. I'll be using a professional shop I've used in the past to do my big prints, but I don't even want to approach them without some basic knowledge of digital printing techniques. Normally I'd Google first, but honestly I don't even know enough to make an intelligent search. Suggested reading, links, or basic explanations of some common techniques would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Mark Photos, Ideas & Opinions http://www.marklauter.com/gallery |
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[OT but totally relevant to us] lack of knowledge about printing
I went through this process a few months ago ... and after shelling out just
over $10,000 New Zealand dollars for an Epson 7800 and a few rolls of paper and spares, I'm now "in the business". To be honest, I think many print shops have cultivated the myth that digital printing is some kind of "black art" (no pun intended!) to try and "protect their turf" - where in reality you stick the paper that you want to use in the printer - tell the print driver what kind of paper it is - and "hit the print button" - it really is about that simple. Obviously a few things to learn along the way - there is a minimum resolution that can you can print at, and still have the image look good (about 150 dpi) - in reality I've found you can take an 8mp frame from a 20D and print it easily up to a 12 * 18, and even bigger. I've done 20 * 30 on canvas without any problems. Sometimes I find that certain combinations print slightly differently that appears on my (uncalibrated) monitor - but it's a simple task to make a quick brightness/levels adjustment. Happy to answer any questions - but all you really need to do is save a copy of your image as an 8 bit TIFF using RGB colourspace onto a CD - take it to your favourite lab and tell em what size you'd like it printed - on what kind of paper - and how many copies. Nothing to it. Out of interest, I've found that, on average, my printing and paper costs work out to be about ONE QUARTER of what I used to pay the lab - so if anyone is getting a lot of printing done, have a think about getting your own printer like the Epson 7800 (it's a very professional & well-made printer - and stunning results). The added bonus is that you can then print stuff for others if you wish - saving them a bit of money - helping you pay for your printer - and presenting an opportunity to have a great chat. (and the bragging rights are great! Hope this helps! Cheers, Colin |
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Beach Bum wrote:
Suggested reading, Color confidence by Tim Grey. $10 used at amazon and explains digital color management fairly well for people who know NOTHING about it. Explains human color vision etc. I got me on the right track and I now understand this well enough to make very nice prints with no surprises. -- Stacey |
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[OT but totally relevant to us] lack of knowledge about printing
C J Southern wrote:
To be honest, I think many print shops have cultivated the myth that digital printing is some kind of "black art" (no pun intended!) to try and "protect their turf" - where in reality you stick the paper that you want to use in the printer - tell the print driver what kind of paper it is - and "hit the print button" - it really is about that simple. I wish! I've been struggling with printer profiles for the past couple of weeks. I have a Spyder2 for calibrating my LCD monitor, and it works automatically, with great simplicity. Getting a print that matches what I see on screen is a nightmare. I'm using an Epson Photo RX500. I read all over the place about the ICC profiles that Epson supplies on their web site, but those no longer appear to be there. I've tried dozens of profile variations, with no luck. I'm not even getting close. I've given serious thought to having a professional outfit build a profile for me. I know it would cost a hundred bucks or so, but I've already spent more than that in ink and paper. |
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"Beach Bum" wrote in message ... I'm preparing to enter my first art show by the end of the year and I want to be able to sell fine art prints and also smaller flip-matted prints. The problem is I know very little about making prints from digital. I'm very familiar with making prints from film and have my own dark room, but it's been almost a year since I used it. Since purchasing the 20D my 35mm SLR gets little to no attention. I'll be using a professional shop I've used in the past to do my big prints, but I don't even want to approach them without some basic knowledge of digital printing techniques. Normally I'd Google first, but honestly I don't even know enough to make an intelligent search. Suggested reading, links, or basic explanations of some common techniques would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Mark Photos, Ideas & Opinions http://www.marklauter.com/gallery "Mastering Digital Printing," 2nd ed., by Harald Johnson is an excellent primer. Order through Amazon.com for 30% off the $39.99 retail price. If you're thinking of printing and selling small monochrome prints (i.e. = 8x10), and you're looking for low start-up costs, I've read that the Epson R220 with carbon inks can't be beat. I plan to purchase one soon. Google for Paul Roarke's website for specifics. HTH Sonrise |
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"Eric Schreiber" eric at ericschreiber dot com wrote in message ... I wish! I've been struggling with printer profiles for the past couple of weeks. I have a Spyder2 for calibrating my LCD monitor, and it works automatically, with great simplicity. Getting a print that matches what I see on screen is a nightmare. I'm using an Epson Photo RX500. I read all over the place about the ICC profiles that Epson supplies on their web site, but those no longer appear to be there. I've tried dozens of profile variations, with no luck. I'm not even getting close. I've given serious thought to having a professional outfit build a profile for me. I know it would cost a hundred bucks or so, but I've already spent more than that in ink and paper. I guess I'm lucky in that respect - my printer comes with all the profiles One change we did make is to use Kodak paper instead of Epson brand - and we were advised that we'd need to make a small tweak to the profile, but I just printed it out anyway and the results appeared to be very good. Honestly, I was expecting a really steep learning curve - and perhaps I just got lucky - but I've got great results right from the word go. Since then I'm doing all the work for one other photographer, with yet another hopefully coming on board soon. The other day someone was good enough to recommend Real World Color Management, Second Edition By Bruce Fraser - I've got my copy coming from Amazon, but according to the books description it includes info on writing your own ICC profiles - perhaps this might be of help to you? Cheers, Colin |
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C J Southern wrote:
I guess I'm lucky in that respect - my printer comes with all the profiles Truth be told, the defaults of my printer gave pretty decent results. It was only when I started trying to have Photoshop control the color management of the printer that I began to run into trouble. according to the books description it includes info on writing your own ICC profiles - perhaps this might be of help to you? It might if I didn't have a low frustration threshold. I like things to work pretty quickly, and I don't enjoy tinkering if I'm not making positive progress on each step. I've been trying to build a custom ICC using ProfilerPlus from Colorvision (came with my Spyder2). The plug-in is pretty easy to use, but it suffers from one serious flaw - the sample it prints has to be scanned, and of course without a 'standard' or a decent profile, my scanner is an unknown element as well. Professional profiling sounds very tempting, if it actually works. Download the test image, print it per clear, easy to follow instructions, mail it to the service, and receive a custom ICC by email a week later. Great theory, but I have to research more before I'm ready to plunk down a hundred bucks. |
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Eric Schreiber wrote: C J Southern wrote: I guess I'm lucky in that respect - my printer comes with all the profiles Truth be told, the defaults of my printer gave pretty decent results. It was only when I started trying to have Photoshop control the color management of the printer that I began to run into trouble. according to the books description it includes info on writing your own ICC profiles - perhaps this might be of help to you? It might if I didn't have a low frustration threshold. I like things to work pretty quickly, and I don't enjoy tinkering if I'm not making positive progress on each step. I've been trying to build a custom ICC using ProfilerPlus from Colorvision (came with my Spyder2). The plug-in is pretty easy to use, but it suffers from one serious flaw - the sample it prints has to be scanned, and of course without a 'standard' or a decent profile, my scanner is an unknown element as well. Professional profiling sounds very tempting, if it actually works. Download the test image, print it per clear, easy to follow instructions, mail it to the service, and receive a custom ICC by email a week later. Great theory, but I have to research more before I'm ready to plunk down a hundred bucks. |
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Professional printer profiling really does work, there are a few guys
doing it for less than 30 pounds on the web now, I've used one of them and it's just getting a brand new printer. |
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"Sonrise" wrote
"Mastering Digital Printing," 2nd ed., by Harald Johnson is an excellent primer. Order through Amazon.com for 30% off the $39.99 retail price. If you're thinking of printing and selling small monochrome prints (i.e. = 8x10), and you're looking for low start-up costs, I've read that the Epson R220 with carbon inks can't be beat. I plan to purchase one soon. Google for Paul Roarke's website for specifics. Thanks for the good sources. I'll check them out this week. -- Mark Photos, Ideas & Opinions http://www.marklauter.com/gallery |
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