SSD drives. Guaranteed disasters waiting to happen?

In article , PAS wrote:

Or an even larger one
https://www.dpreview.com/news/375252...60tb-ssd-drive

yea, but that's not out yet.

Correct. I wonder what the cost will be.

if you have to ask...

On 8/11/2016 6:21 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PAS wrote:

Or an even larger one
https://www.dpreview.com/news/375252...60tb-ssd-drive
yea, but that's not out yet.
Correct. I wonder what the cost will be.
if you have to ask...

Yep, it won't be on my shopping list.

On 8/11/2016 1:56 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-08-11 17:45:14 +0000, nospam said:

In article , PeterN
wrote:

About two years ago my HDD went. At that time I was
advised that SSDs were not yet reliable. I am thinking
about upgrading my machine. How do I know which is a
crap SSD and which is reliable?

How do I know

BTW, what difference does it make? The worst ones will
apparently outlast you by several decades.

Probably true.
I am trying to figure out if 256G would e sufficient for THE O/S & my
program files.

how much space do they take up now?

keep in mind that ideally, you don't want to fill an ssd.

also keep in mind that 500g ssds are $100ish, making 256g not much of a
bargain anymore, and with 1tb around $200, you might as well go for
that if you're not on a super-tight budget.

I have to agree with nospam here. 500 GB and 1 TB SSD's are more usual
these days. Add to that many computers are delivered today with 500GB,
1TB, 2TB, and 3TB SSDs along with fusion drives, but fusion drive
installations are dropping off.

I appreciate and understand what you are saying.
If I was building my own, you would both be right. The prebuilt
machines, with the specs I want have a price difference of about $500
between the 256 and the 500 SSD. That amounts to a price difference of
about 1/3 more. So far my #1 choice is the HP Z240. I will speak to some
people I know and see how negotiable the price is. In fairness, the
price includes on site service.
--
PeterN

In article 2016081110562660917-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
says...
I have to agree with nospam here. 500 GB and 1 TB SSD's are more usual
these days. Add to that many computers are delivered today with 500GB,
1TB, 2TB, and 3TB SSDs along with fusion drives, but fusion drive
installations are dropping off.

I bought a Samsung Evo 850 1 TB for 276 Euro one month ago. Now the
price is 296 Euro without shipping. 2TB go for double the price, while
the 4TB unit costs over 1300 Euro. These things are not yet cheap (at
least here in Germany).
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

In article , PeterN
wrote:


also keep in mind that 500g ssds are $100ish, making 256g not much of a
bargain anymore, and with 1tb around $200, you might as well go for
that if you're not on a super-tight budget.

I have to agree with nospam here. 500 GB and 1 TB SSD's are more usual
these days. Add to that many computers are delivered today with 500GB,
1TB, 2TB, and 3TB SSDs along with fusion drives, but fusion drive
installations are dropping off.

I appreciate and understand what you are saying.
If I was building my own, you would both be right. The prebuilt
machines, with the specs I want have a price difference of about $500
between the 256 and the 500 SSD.

and people complain about apple prices?

you're getting ripped off.

That amounts to a price difference of
about 1/3 more. So far my #1 choice is the HP Z240. I will speak to some
people I know and see how negotiable the price is. In fairness, the
price includes on site service.

it had better include a whole lot more than that.

On 2016-08-12 22:24:03 +0000, Alfred Molon said:

In article 2016081110562660917-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
says...
I have to agree with nospam here. 500 GB and 1 TB SSD's are more usual
these days. Add to that many computers are delivered today with 500GB,
1TB, 2TB, and 3TB SSDs along with fusion drives, but fusion drive
installations are dropping off.

I bought a Samsung Evo 850 1 TB for 276 Euro one month ago. Now the
price is 296 Euro without shipping. 2TB go for double the price, while
the 4TB unit costs over 1300 Euro. These things are not yet cheap (at
least here in Germany).

The Samsung Evo 850 1TB is available in the US via Amazon Prime (which
includes shipping) for $309.11 (€276), the 2TB is $628.60(€562), and
the 4TB $1499.99 (€1343).
--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 8/12/2016 6:25 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:


also keep in mind that 500g ssds are $100ish, making 256g not much of a
bargain anymore, and with 1tb around $200, you might as well go for
that if you're not on a super-tight budget.

I have to agree with nospam here. 500 GB and 1 TB SSD's are more usual
these days. Add to that many computers are delivered today with 500GB,
1TB, 2TB, and 3TB SSDs along with fusion drives, but fusion drive
installations are dropping off.

I appreciate and understand what you are saying.
If I was building my own, you would both be right. The prebuilt
machines, with the specs I want have a price difference of about $500
between the 256 and the 500 SSD.

and people complain about apple prices?

If I was getting a machine strictly for surfing, email, and displaying
family pictures, I would probable get exactly what my wife uses. (An
iPad.) If I was to get a machine with a 1TB SSD, I would be getting
something that has far more capacity than I need. Therefore, overpaying.


you're getting ripped off.

What would you suggest. For personal reasons, I must get a PC. One
machine with OSX and Windows, will not work for me. Just accept that as
a fact, and I will not discuss into reasons.

That amounts to a price difference of
about 1/3 more. So far my #1 choice is the HP Z240. I will speak to some
people I know and see how negotiable the price is. In fairness, the
price includes on site service.

it had better include a whole lot more than that.


It does. You can look up the prices of various configurations for
yourself. The Z240 is not a low end machine. Subtract the cost in on
site service, and the % difference increases.

--
PeterN

In article 2016081216171862533-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
says...
The Samsung Evo 850 1TB is available in the US via Amazon Prime (which
includes shipping) for $309.11 (¤276),

Ah... somebody wrote USD 200 for the 1TB.
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 23:12:40 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 8/12/2016 6:25 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:


also keep in mind that 500g ssds are $100ish, making 256g not much of a
bargain anymore, and with 1tb around $200, you might as well go for
that if you're not on a super-tight budget.

I have to agree with nospam here. 500 GB and 1 TB SSD's are more usual
these days. Add to that many computers are delivered today with 500GB,
1TB, 2TB, and 3TB SSDs along with fusion drives, but fusion drive
installations are dropping off.

I appreciate and understand what you are saying.
If I was building my own, you would both be right. The prebuilt
machines, with the specs I want have a price difference of about $500
between the 256 and the 500 SSD.

and people complain about apple prices?

If I was getting a machine strictly for surfing, email, and displaying
family pictures, I would probable get exactly what my wife uses. (An
iPad.) If I was to get a machine with a 1TB SSD, I would be getting
something that has far more capacity than I need. Therefore, overpaying.


you're getting ripped off.

What would you suggest. For personal reasons, I must get a PC. One
machine with OSX and Windows, will not work for me. Just accept that as
a fact, and I will not discuss into reasons.

That amounts to a price difference of
about 1/3 more. So far my #1 choice is the HP Z240. I will speak to some
people I know and see how negotiable the price is. In fairness, the
price includes on site service.

it had better include a whole lot more than that.


It does. You can look up the prices of various configurations for
yourself. The Z240 is not a low end machine. Subtract the cost in on
site service, and the % difference increases.

In the course of hunting around I have come across the Dell
workstation line. Mechanically, they impress me. Their prices don't
look too bad for what they are. Have you had a look at them?
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 08/12/2016 11:12 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 8/12/2016 6:25 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:


also keep in mind that 500g ssds are $100ish, making 256g not much
of a
bargain anymore, and with 1tb around $200, you might as well go for
that if you're not on a super-tight budget.

I have to agree with nospam here. 500 GB and 1 TB SSD's are more usual
these days. Add to that many computers are delivered today with 500GB,
1TB, 2TB, and 3TB SSDs along with fusion drives, but fusion drive
installations are dropping off.

I appreciate and understand what you are saying.
If I was building my own, you would both be right. The prebuilt
machines, with the specs I want have a price difference of about $500
between the 256 and the 500 SSD.

and people complain about apple prices?

If I was getting a machine strictly for surfing, email, and displaying
family pictures, I would probable get exactly what my wife uses. (An
iPad.) If I was to get a machine with a 1TB SSD, I would be getting
something that has far more capacity than I need. Therefore, overpaying.


you're getting ripped off.

What would you suggest. For personal reasons, I must get a PC. One
machine with OSX and Windows, will not work for me. Just accept that as
a fact, and I will not discuss into reasons.

That amounts to a price difference of
about 1/3 more. So far my #1 choice is the HP Z240. I will speak to some
people I know and see how negotiable the price is. In fairness, the
price includes on site service.

it had better include a whole lot more than that.


It does. You can look up the prices of various configurations for
yourself. The Z240 is not a low end machine. Subtract the cost in on
site service, and the % difference increases.


I looked at the HP store for that model, and there are various
configurations, starting at $800. You don't say what configurations you
are considering, so it's difficult to say if you are getting ripped off.
I did a quick glance at Amazon, and the prices are about $200 less, so
the price is probably about right. If Amazon had listings at 50% less
than the HP store, I would be concerned.

The only thing that concerns me is the HP super-thin optical drive,
similar to (if not actually) a laptop drive. I've always found that
style to be flimsy. But if you are buying on-site service (do you really
need _on-site_?), then you're covered.

If you go to eBay, there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of HP
point-of-sale machines available. (I have a 5700 and two 5800's.) If a
machine is dependable enough for the day-to-day use at point-of-sale, I
consider that a good sign.

--
Ken Hart