Got told, "No photos!" today

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:11:53 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2010-12-18 15:09:40 -0800, tony cooper said:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:22:14 -0500, shiva das
wrote:

In article ,
"Gary Eickmeier" wrote:

"shiva das" wrote in message
...
In article
,
Rich wrote:

Someone drove their SUV through a window at a local shopping mall but
when I went to shoot, I was told by security that no photos were
permitted on the property. I was going to shoot from the street but
it was over 300ft away and I only had a wide angle on me. I could
have simply stepped back about 10ft from the guard, ignored him and
shot or hid behind a nearby parked car. He would have likely told me
to leave the place, which is no big deal, but I didn't want to get the
guy in trouble as he behaved in a civilized, controlled manner when
telling me no photos. At the same mall, about five years ago, they
were having a fashion show and I had my E-1 with me. Got told the
same thing, no photos, even though people had their camera phones out
and were taking shots. That is the Achilles heel of the big, black
DSLR, it is a target for every security zealot.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...ew-mall-vehicl
e-c
rash-101217/20101217/?hub=TorontoNewHome

Malls are private property. The owners' policy on photography is
entirely up to them. So is Starbucks, who's corporate policy is to not
allow photography in their stores.

"whose" corporate policy

I don't know, whose corporate policy?

Perhaps a better question is "Who's still a grammar and spelling nazi in
this day of no usenet postings of any value?"

While the Nazis were not at all proper, "Nazi" is a proper noun and
should be capitalized.

Sic Heil.

"Sic Heil" ?
Are you making a mocking commentary on spelling and grammatical errors,
or did you goof on the old N.S.D.A.P. call for victory?

Oh, c'mon, if you know when "sic" is used, then you should be able to
figure out why I ended a comment about an error with "sic".

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

In article ,
tony cooper wrote:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:22:14 -0500, shiva das
wrote:

In article ,
"Gary Eickmeier" wrote:

"shiva das" wrote in message
...
In article
,
Rich wrote:

Someone drove their SUV through a window at a local shopping mall but
when I went to shoot, I was told by security that no photos were
permitted on the property. I was going to shoot from the street but
it was over 300ft away and I only had a wide angle on me. I could
have simply stepped back about 10ft from the guard, ignored him and
shot or hid behind a nearby parked car. He would have likely told me
to leave the place, which is no big deal, but I didn't want to get the
guy in trouble as he behaved in a civilized, controlled manner when
telling me no photos. At the same mall, about five years ago, they
were having a fashion show and I had my E-1 with me. Got told the
same thing, no photos, even though people had their camera phones out
and were taking shots. That is the Achilles heel of the big, black
DSLR, it is a target for every security zealot.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...yview-mall-veh
icl
e-c
rash-101217/20101217/?hub=TorontoNewHome

Malls are private property. The owners' policy on photography is
entirely up to them. So is Starbucks, who's corporate policy is to not
allow photography in their stores.

"whose" corporate policy

I don't know, whose corporate policy?

Perhaps a better question is "Who's still a grammar and spelling nazi in
this day of no usenet postings of any value?"

While the Nazis were not at all proper, "Nazi" is a proper noun and
should be capitalized.

Sic Heil.

Maybe. However, I was not referring to a member of the
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. In German _all_ nouns,
whether common or proper, are capitalized. In fact, German is the only
world language that capitalizes all nouns. So while the NSDAP is in fact
a name, and therefore a proper noun to be capitalized in English,
"Scheißewischer" and "Arschlochreinigungsmittel" are never capitalized
in English (for example).

Grammar nazi (note that under usage #3 is it a proper noun. However,
like aspirin and xerox is also has a set of common noun meanings) and
also has an un-capitalized verb form:

1. A person who uses proper grammar at all times, esp. online in emails,
chatrooms, instant messages and webboard posts; a proponent of
grammatical correctness. Often one who spells correctly as well.

2. a * A person who believes proper grammar (and spelling) should be
used by everyone whenever possible. b * One who attempts to persuade or
force others to use proper grammar and spelling. c * One who uses proper
grammar and spelling to subtly mock or deride those who do not; an
exhibitor of grammatical superiority. d * One who advocates linguistic
clarity; an opponent of 1337-speak. e * One who corrects others'
grammar; the spelling police.

proper noun
3. A nickname, pseudonym or handle for a well-known grammar nazi (defs.
1 and 2) within a particular social circle, used to show either great
respect or great contempt for his or her abilities.

verb (transitive)
4. To correct the grammar of (a person's speech, a piece of writing,
etc.); to edit for grammar and spelling; to proofread.
1. A grammar nazi knows the difference between "there," "their" and
"they're."

2. Teh grammar nazis haev invadd r formu.

3. Grammar Nazi, help me with my English homework please.

4. He totally grammar nazied my article, replacing pronouns and
rewriting clauses.

On 2010-12-18 16:25:31 -0800, tony cooper said:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:11:53 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2010-12-18 15:09:40 -0800, tony cooper said:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:22:14 -0500, shiva das
wrote:

In article ,
"Gary Eickmeier" wrote:

"shiva das" wrote in message
...
In article
,
Rich wrote:

Someone drove their SUV through a window at a local shopping mall but
when I went to shoot, I was told by security that no photos were
permitted on the property. I was going to shoot from the street but
it was over 300ft away and I only had a wide angle on me. I could
have simply stepped back about 10ft from the guard, ignored him and
shot or hid behind a nearby parked car. He would have likely told me
to leave the place, which is no big deal, but I didn't want to get the
guy in trouble as he behaved in a civilized, controlled manner when
telling me no photos. At the same mall, about five years ago, they
were having a fashion show and I had my E-1 with me. Got told the
same thing, no photos, even though people had their camera phones out
and were taking shots. That is the Achilles heel of the big, black
DSLR, it is a target for every security zealot.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...ew-mall-vehicl
e-c
rash-101217/20101217/?hub=TorontoNewHome

Malls are private property. The owners' policy on photography is
entirely up to them. So is Starbucks, who's corporate policy is to not
allow photography in their stores.

"whose" corporate policy

I don't know, whose corporate policy?

Perhaps a better question is "Who's still a grammar and spelling nazi in
this day of no usenet postings of any value?"

While the Nazis were not at all proper, "Nazi" is a proper noun and
should be capitalized.

Sic Heil.

"Sic Heil" ?
Are you making a mocking commentary on spelling and grammatical errors,
or did you goof on the old N.S.D.A.P. call for victory?

Oh, c'mon, if you know when "sic" is used, then you should be able to
figure out why I ended a comment about an error with "sic".


Damn! It seems I am constantly replacing burned out irony meters.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2010-12-18 16:29:42 -0800, shiva das said:

In article ,
tony cooper wrote:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:22:14 -0500, shiva das
wrote:

In article ,
"Gary Eickmeier" wrote:

"shiva das" wrote in message
...
In article
,
Rich wrote:

Someone drove their SUV through a window at a local shopping mall but
when I went to shoot, I was told by security that no photos were
permitted on the property. I was going to shoot from the street but
it was over 300ft away and I only had a wide angle on me. I could
have simply stepped back about 10ft from the guard, ignored him and
shot or hid behind a nearby parked car. He would have likely told me
to leave the place, which is no big deal, but I didn't want to get the
guy in trouble as he behaved in a civilized, controlled manner when
telling me no photos. At the same mall, about five years ago, they
were having a fashion show and I had my E-1 with me. Got told the
same thing, no photos, even though people had their camera phones out
and were taking shots. That is the Achilles heel of the big, black
DSLR, it is a target for every security zealot.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...yview-mall-veh
icl
e-c
rash-101217/20101217/?hub=TorontoNewHome

Malls are private property. The owners' policy on photography is
entirely up to them. So is Starbucks, who's corporate policy is to not
allow photography in their stores.

"whose" corporate policy

I don't know, whose corporate policy?

Perhaps a better question is "Who's still a grammar and spelling nazi in
this day of no usenet postings of any value?"

While the Nazis were not at all proper, "Nazi" is a proper noun and
should be capitalized.

Sic Heil.

Maybe. However, I was not referring to a member of the
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. In German _all_ nouns,
whether common or proper, are capitalized. In fact, German is the only
world language that capitalizes all nouns. So while the NSDAP is in fact
a name, and therefore a proper noun to be capitalized in English,
"Scheißewischer" and "Arschlochreinigungsmittel" are never capitalized
in English (for example).

Grammar nazi (note that under usage #3 is it a proper noun. However,
like aspirin and xerox is also has a set of common noun meanings) and
also has an un-capitalized verb form:

1. A person who uses proper grammar at all times, esp. online in emails,
chatrooms, instant messages and webboard posts; a proponent of
grammatical correctness. Often one who spells correctly as well.

2. a * A person who believes proper grammar (and spelling) should be
used by everyone whenever possible. b * One who attempts to persuade or
force others to use proper grammar and spelling. c * One who uses proper
grammar and spelling to subtly mock or deride those who do not; an
exhibitor of grammatical superiority. d * One who advocates linguistic
clarity; an opponent of 1337-speak. e * One who corrects others'
grammar; the spelling police.

proper noun
3. A nickname, pseudonym or handle for a well-known grammar nazi (defs.
1 and 2) within a particular social circle, used to show either great
respect or great contempt for his or her abilities.

verb (transitive)
4. To correct the grammar of (a person's speech, a piece of writing,
etc.); to edit for grammar and spelling; to proofread.
1. A grammar nazi knows the difference between "there," "their" and
"they're."

2. Teh grammar nazis haev invadd r formu.

3. Grammar Nazi, help me with my English homework please.

4. He totally grammar nazied my article, replacing pronouns and
rewriting clauses.

Aaaaaaaaaaagh!!


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 12/18/2010 7:25 PM, tony cooper wrote:
On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:11:53 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2010-12-18 15:09:40 -0800, tony said:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:22:14 -0500, shiva
wrote:

In om,
"Gary wrote:

"shiva wrote in message
...
In article
,
wrote:

Someone drove their SUV through a window at a local shopping mall but
when I went to shoot, I was told by security that no photos were
permitted on the property. I was going to shoot from the street but
it was over 300ft away and I only had a wide angle on me. I could
have simply stepped back about 10ft from the guard, ignored him and
shot or hid behind a nearby parked car. He would have likely told me
to leave the place, which is no big deal, but I didn't want to get the
guy in trouble as he behaved in a civilized, controlled manner when
telling me no photos. At the same mall, about five years ago, they
were having a fashion show and I had my E-1 with me. Got told the
same thing, no photos, even though people had their camera phones out
and were taking shots. That is the Achilles heel of the big, black
DSLR, it is a target for every security zealot.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...ew-mall-vehicl
e-c
rash-101217/20101217/?hub=TorontoNewHome

Malls are private property. The owners' policy on photography is
entirely up to them. So is Starbucks, who's corporate policy is to not
allow photography in their stores.

"whose" corporate policy

I don't know, whose corporate policy?

Perhaps a better question is "Who's still a grammar and spelling nazi in
this day of no usenet postings of any value?"

While the Nazis were not at all proper, "Nazi" is a proper noun and
should be capitalized.

Sic Heil.

"Sic Heil" ?
Are you making a mocking commentary on spelling and grammatical errors,
or did you goof on the old N.S.D.A.P. call for victory?

Oh, c'mon, if you know when "sic" is used, then you should be able to
figure out why I ended a comment about an error with "sic".


Clever pun

--
Peter

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:29:42 -0500, shiva das
wrote:

In article ,
tony cooper wrote:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:22:14 -0500, shiva das
wrote:

In article ,
"Gary Eickmeier" wrote:

"shiva das" wrote in message
...
In article
,
Rich wrote:

Someone drove their SUV through a window at a local shopping mall but
when I went to shoot, I was told by security that no photos were
permitted on the property. I was going to shoot from the street but
it was over 300ft away and I only had a wide angle on me. I could
have simply stepped back about 10ft from the guard, ignored him and
shot or hid behind a nearby parked car. He would have likely told me
to leave the place, which is no big deal, but I didn't want to get the
guy in trouble as he behaved in a civilized, controlled manner when
telling me no photos. At the same mall, about five years ago, they
were having a fashion show and I had my E-1 with me. Got told the
same thing, no photos, even though people had their camera phones out
and were taking shots. That is the Achilles heel of the big, black
DSLR, it is a target for every security zealot.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...yview-mall-veh
icl
e-c
rash-101217/20101217/?hub=TorontoNewHome

Malls are private property. The owners' policy on photography is
entirely up to them. So is Starbucks, who's corporate policy is to not
allow photography in their stores.

"whose" corporate policy

I don't know, whose corporate policy?

Perhaps a better question is "Who's still a grammar and spelling nazi in
this day of no usenet postings of any value?"

While the Nazis were not at all proper, "Nazi" is a proper noun and
should be capitalized.

Sic Heil.

Maybe. However, I was not referring to a member of the
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. In German _all_ nouns,
whether common or proper, are capitalized. In fact, German is the only
world language that capitalizes all nouns. So while the NSDAP is in fact
a name, and therefore a proper noun to be capitalized in English,
"Scheißewischer" and "Arschlochreinigungsmittel" are never capitalized
in English (for example).

Grammar nazi (note that under usage #3 is it a proper noun. However,
like aspirin and xerox is also has a set of common noun meanings) and
also has an un-capitalized verb form:

1. A person who uses proper grammar at all times, esp. online in emails,
chatrooms, instant messages and webboard posts; a proponent of
grammatical correctness. Often one who spells correctly as well.

And this is a bad thing?

2. a * A person who believes proper grammar (and spelling) should be
used by everyone whenever possible.

And this is a bad thing?

b * One who attempts to persuade or
force others to use proper grammar and spelling. c * One who uses proper
grammar and spelling to subtly mock or deride those who do not; an
exhibitor of grammatical superiority.

d * One who advocates linguistic clarity;

And this is a bad thing?

an opponent of 1337-speak. e * One who corrects others'
grammar; the spelling police.

proper noun
3. A nickname, pseudonym or handle for a well-known grammar nazi (defs.
1 and 2) within a particular social circle, used to show either great
respect or great contempt for his or her abilities.

verb (transitive)
4. To correct the grammar of (a person's speech, a piece of writing,
etc.); to edit for grammar and spelling; to proofread.

1. A grammar nazi knows the difference between "there," "their" and
"they're."

And this is a bad thing?

2. Teh grammar nazis haev invadd r formu.

3. Grammar Nazi, help me with my English homework please.

4. He totally grammar nazied my article, replacing pronouns and
rewriting clauses.


--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

In article ,
tony cooper wrote:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:29:42 -0500, shiva das
wrote:

In article ,
tony cooper wrote:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:22:14 -0500, shiva das
wrote:

In article ,
"Gary Eickmeier" wrote:

"shiva das" wrote in message
...
In article
,
Rich wrote:


snip the actual content of this thread

Malls are private property. The owners' policy on photography is
entirely up to them. So is Starbucks, who's corporate policy is to
not
allow photography in their stores.

"whose" corporate policy

I don't know, whose corporate policy?

Perhaps a better question is "Who's still a grammar and spelling nazi in
this day of no usenet postings of any value?"

While the Nazis were not at all proper, "Nazi" is a proper noun and
should be capitalized.

Sic Heil.

Maybe. However, I was not referring to a member of the
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. In German _all_ nouns,
whether common or proper, are capitalized. In fact, German is the only
world language that capitalizes all nouns. So while the NSDAP is in fact
a name, and therefore a proper noun to be capitalized in English,
"Scheißewischer" and "Arschlochreinigungsmittel" are never capitalized
in English (for example).

Grammar nazi (note that under usage #3 is it a proper noun. However,
like aspirin and xerox is also has a set of common noun meanings) and
also has an un-capitalized verb form:

1. A person who uses proper grammar at all times, esp. online in emails,
chatrooms, instant messages and webboard posts; a proponent of
grammatical correctness. Often one who spells correctly as well.

And this is a bad thing?
Did I say that?


2. a * A person who believes proper grammar (and spelling) should be
used by everyone whenever possible.

And this is a bad thing?
Did I say that?

b * One who attempts to persuade or
force others to use proper grammar and spelling. c * One who uses proper
grammar and spelling to subtly mock or deride those who do not; an
exhibitor of grammatical superiority.

d * One who advocates linguistic clarity;

And this is a bad thing?
Did I say that?

an opponent of 1337-speak. e * One who corrects others'
grammar; the spelling police.

proper noun
3. A nickname, pseudonym or handle for a well-known grammar nazi (defs.
1 and 2) within a particular social circle, used to show either great
respect or great contempt for his or her abilities.

verb (transitive)
4. To correct the grammar of (a person's speech, a piece of writing,
etc.); to edit for grammar and spelling; to proofread.

1. A grammar nazi knows the difference between "there," "their" and
"they're."

And this is a bad thing?
Did I say that?

snip

You missed an two important definitions, Tony, #1(b) and 1(c). Pretty
much the standard usenet definitions of grammar nazis. Is that also a
good thing? That was my working definition for this entire exercise (in
futility).

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 21:15:47 -0500, shiva das
wrote:


1. A person who uses proper grammar at all times, esp. online in emails,
chatrooms, instant messages and webboard posts; a proponent of
grammatical correctness. Often one who spells correctly as well.

And this is a bad thing?
Did I say that?


2. a * A person who believes proper grammar (and spelling) should be
used by everyone whenever possible.

And this is a bad thing?
Did I say that?

b * One who attempts to persuade or
force others to use proper grammar and spelling. c * One who uses proper
grammar and spelling to subtly mock or deride those who do not; an
exhibitor of grammatical superiority.

d * One who advocates linguistic clarity;

And this is a bad thing?
Did I say that?

an opponent of 1337-speak. e * One who corrects others'
grammar; the spelling police.

proper noun
3. A nickname, pseudonym or handle for a well-known grammar nazi (defs.
1 and 2) within a particular social circle, used to show either great
respect or great contempt for his or her abilities.

verb (transitive)
4. To correct the grammar of (a person's speech, a piece of writing,
etc.); to edit for grammar and spelling; to proofread.

1. A grammar nazi knows the difference between "there," "their" and
"they're."

And this is a bad thing?
Did I say that?

snip

You missed an two important definitions, Tony, #1(b)

Noting an error is, in no way, forcing or persuading anyone else to
use proper grammar or to spell correctly. If I tell you that your fly
is unzipped I am not forcing you, or even persuading you, to zip up.
What you do after being notified is your choice.

and 1(c).

If the glove fits...


--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Gary Eickmeier wrote:
"shiva wrote in message
...
In article
,
wrote:

Someone drove their SUV through a window at a local shopping mall but
when I went to shoot, I was told by security that no photos were
permitted on the property. I was going to shoot from the street but
it was over 300ft away and I only had a wide angle on me. I could
have simply stepped back about 10ft from the guard, ignored him and
shot or hid behind a nearby parked car. He would have likely told me
to leave the place, which is no big deal, but I didn't want to get the
guy in trouble as he behaved in a civilized, controlled manner when
telling me no photos. At the same mall, about five years ago, they
were having a fashion show and I had my E-1 with me. Got told the
same thing, no photos, even though people had their camera phones out
and were taking shots. That is the Achilles heel of the big, black
DSLR, it is a target for every security zealot.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...mall-vehicle-c
rash-101217/20101217/?hub=TorontoNewHome

Malls are private property. The owners' policy on photography is
entirely up to them. So is Starbucks, who's corporate policy is to not
allow photography in their stores.

Hi,

I'm not an attorney, so can't quote cases. However, I remember reading a
few years ago that malls are considered public venues in the USA.

Mort Linder

"whose" corporate policy

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:02:19 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2010-12-18 15:12:48 -0800, Robert Coe said:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:11:20 -0800, "Frank ess" wrote:
:
:
: "shiva das" wrote in message
: ...
: In article ,
: "Gary Eickmeier" wrote:
:
: "shiva das" wrote in message
: ...
: In article
: ,
: Rich wrote:
:
: Someone drove their SUV through a window at a local shopping mall but
: when I went to shoot, I was told by security that no photos were
: permitted on the property. I was going to shoot from the street but
: it was over 300ft away and I only had a wide angle on me. I could
: have simply stepped back about 10ft from the guard, ignored him and
: shot or hid behind a nearby parked car. He would have likely told me
: to leave the place, which is no big deal, but I didn't want to get the
: guy in trouble as he behaved in a civilized, controlled manner when
: telling me no photos. At the same mall, about five years ago, they
: were having a fashion show and I had my E-1 with me. Got told the
: same thing, no photos, even though people had their camera phones out
: and were taking shots. That is the Achilles heel of the big, black
: DSLR, it is a target for every security zealot.
:
: http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc.../bayview-mall-
: vehicle-crash-101217/20101217/?hub=TorontoNewHome
:
: Malls are private property. The owners' policy on photography is
: entirely up to them. So is Starbucks, who's corporate policy is to
: not allow photography in their stores.
:
: "whose" corporate policy
:
: I don't know, whose corporate policy?
:
: Perhaps a better question is "Who's still a grammar and spelling nazi
: in this day of no usenet postings of any value?"
:
: or "Who's still complaining when we feed the fun trolls in this same
: age of no usenet postings of any value?"
:
: I'm.

Let us take up the grammarial cudgel and pound all perceived malefactors
therewithal!

Bob

Umm... it seems this usage of "therewithal" might be inappropriate and
superfluous.

Pounding their head, legs, backside or shoulders I can understand, but
what part of a malefactor is their 'therewithall'?



Eric Stevens