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"Alan Browne" wrote in message news Lionel wrote: Deletions I didn't look in any books, there is no need to. I know what the hell an SLR is in todays context. The only book I have handy that looks at various camera systems and their general description is that which I quoted. Sorry Alan, that sounds like the classical line, "I can't define pornography but I know it when I see it" Jim. |
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"Alan Browne" wrote in message news Lionel wrote: Deletions I didn't look in any books, there is no need to. I know what the hell an SLR is in todays context. The only book I have handy that looks at various camera systems and their general description is that which I quoted. Sorry Alan, that sounds like the classical line, "I can't define pornography but I know it when I see it" Jim. |
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edward ohare wrote:
But it provides the same advantage as a reflex concerning the viewing of the image for composition. It seems to me its the feature and the benefit it provides that matters, not how its done. It is most curious you're attacking this on a design issue while the feature/benefit remains the same, while including rangefinders which do not have the benefit of the SLR design that the G3 has. We've stomped all over these issues already. The G3 as wonderful as it is, cannot cover what can be covered with a DSLR. -- -- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource: -- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- |
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edward ohare wrote:
But it provides the same advantage as a reflex concerning the viewing of the image for composition. It seems to me its the feature and the benefit it provides that matters, not how its done. It is most curious you're attacking this on a design issue while the feature/benefit remains the same, while including rangefinders which do not have the benefit of the SLR design that the G3 has. We've stomped all over these issues already. The G3 as wonderful as it is, cannot cover what can be covered with a DSLR. -- -- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource: -- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- |
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edward ohare wrote:
But it provides the same advantage as a reflex concerning the viewing of the image for composition. It seems to me its the feature and the benefit it provides that matters, not how its done. It is most curious you're attacking this on a design issue while the feature/benefit remains the same, while including rangefinders which do not have the benefit of the SLR design that the G3 has. We've stomped all over these issues already. The G3 as wonderful as it is, cannot cover what can be covered with a DSLR. -- -- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource: -- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- |
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edward ohare wrote:
Years ago, the 35mm SLR crowd hauled around mutiple non-zoom lenses because zooms weren't very good. Zooms got better. Oh, but they were variable aperature, and that wasn't good enough. Finally, years later, guess what? SLR people are hauling around multiple zooms. Often with variable aperature. And now the argument is anything with single zoom isn't good enough. Since the community has eventually adopted what it once claimed was intolerable, wouldn't it be expected to eventually figure a single zoom was OK? (Well, no, of course not, history is no predictor of the future, eh?) Hmm. There is some truth there, but certainly not the whole truth. I would never use my zooms for portraits, macro, most sport and landscape work. I use primes (or: fixed focal length lenses if you prefer). I do use my two high quality, non-variable-aperture zooms for some sports, for hiking, fairs, parties and other less structured work. There's no hard line here, but usually the right lenses for the job. Having said that, when Minolta come out with their D7D, I will consider ordering it with the 28-105 (var aperture) lens as it is very good as zooms go, and very appropriate to the camera. However, there are another lenses with higher priorities on my list, inlcuding at least 2 primes and one (non-var aperture) zoom. There remain in the SLR world people who swear by fixed-focal and those who accept the quality limitations of zooms. One point is that as the optics have improved for the zooms, they have likewise improved for the better primes as well... so the primes always come out ahead if that is important to the photog. The "high quality" zooms rarely have a zoom ratio of more than about 2.8:1 at that, most exhibit some quality limitations at wide angle, fully open. 17-35 f/2.8, 28-80 f/2.8 and 70-200 f/2.8 are the three "professional" zooms you are likely to see carted around by pj's and other folks with narrow time constraints on their work. There is no "super zoom" that is regarded as having sufficient optical quality for most professional work. Could a pj use a super zoom? Probably, except for the limitation in aperture (although the realtively noiseless high ISO help), the mtf quality he's expected to deliver for a newspaper is not exceedingly high... but I've seen no pj's to date with less than the top end glass ... as recently as a few weeks ago at a sports event. Will there one day be a 28-300 f/2.8? Or better? I don't know. One way is to make the sensor even smaller than on cameras like the G3, but with higher res ---and--- lower noise. Quite an objective g. In fact this is part of Olympus' approach with the E-1... smaller sensor means smaller lens systems, and fast apertures for the same FOV as a larger sensor... lower costs for the best lenses. But are they breaking the zoom ratio wider? Well so far ...almost, but all are var-aperture (ref: Oly site). Back to the G3 (or other SLR-like cameras) ... are they any good? Certainly. Do they meet the needs of people who are trying to achieve specific results? Only if the specific results are within the capability of the camera. Hence the G3 is limited. Occasionally man will stumble over the truth. Usually, he will pick himself up and carry on. -- Winston Churchill "It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read a book of quotations." --Winston Churchill -- -- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource: -- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- |
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edward ohare writes:
Years ago, the 35mm SLR crowd hauled around mutiple non-zoom lenses because zooms weren't very good. Zooms got better. Oh, but they were variable aperature, and that wasn't good enough. Finally, years later, guess what? SLR people are hauling around multiple zooms. Often with variable aperature. And now the argument is anything with single zoom isn't good enough. Since the community has eventually adopted what it once claimed was intolerable, wouldn't it be expected to eventually figure a single zoom was OK? (Well, no, of course not, history is no predictor of the future, eh?) I've got 17mm through 500mm lenses for my 35mm cameras (film and digital). I've got a 300mm f2.8. I've got a 135mm f2. Better-financed photographers than me have 600 f4 lenses and things, and 6mm fisheyes, and on and on. In theory, I have no objection to a "single zoom". In practice, no such lens is available that covers what I have and use frequently. And if there were such a lens, it would weigh about a ton. The laws of optics seem pretty firm on that last point. The early objection to zooms was largely practical -- they weren't, in fact, good enough. Some people objected to variable aperture, but it never bothered me (my first zoom was from shortly before that era, but after that I happily bought variable aperture zooms if they fit my needs). And, if you're using studio flash say, a variable aperture zoom *is* a problem -- the exposure isn't being controlled by through-the-lens measurements. So I think your examples aren't a good analogy to the concept of using one lens for everything. -- David Dyer-Bennet, , http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ RKBA: http://noguns-nomoney.com/ http://www.dd-b.net/carry/ Pics: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/ Dragaera/Steven Brust: http://dragaera.info/ |
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