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  #21  
Old November 20th 11, 12:26 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Chris Malcolm[_2_]
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Sandman wrote:
In article 4ec77c90.6203968@chupacabra,
Bob Dobbs wrote:


Sandman wrote:
So I want to make a timelapse movie of me drawing, and I will be
drawing on paper on a table. I have a DSLR and I was wondering if you
knew about a good way to mount it above the paper?

I have two tripods and putting them on the table may be a bit
cumbersome but it's possible, but I don't seem to be able to zoom
out/move the camera far up enough without seeing the tripod in frame.
Not a huge problem per se, but I would prefer a mounting solution that
works without seeing it of course.

Any ideas?


What about using the paper mounted/pinned on the wall as your target?


Because, drawing on a paper pinned to a wall isn't very ergonomic


Drawing on an easel? Or architect's type drawing board?

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Old November 20th 11, 06:05 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:59:36 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
: Sandman writes:
:
: So I want to make a timelapse movie of me drawing, and I will be
: drawing on paper on a table. I have a DSLR and I was wondering if you
: knew about a good way to mount it above the paper?
:
: I have two tripods and putting them on the table may be a bit
: cumbersome but it's possible, but I don't seem to be able to zoom
: out/move the camera far up enough without seeing the tripod in frame.
: Not a huge problem per se, but I would prefer a mounting solution that
: works without seeing it of course.
:
: Any ideas?
:
: A boom mounted on the tripod (or across two tripods) could put the
: camera directly over the paper and far away from the legs.
:
: The cheapest solution I can think of that meets my standards of neatness
: is one Bogen Superclamp or equivalent. Now, support a scrap piece of
: pipe or lumber of suitable size or something across above the work area
: with suitable quantities of Gaffer's tape (or duct tape if you don't
: have to worry about the finish on anything), and mount camera below it
: using the clamp. A new Superclamp was $36 last time I bought one, and
: they're amazingly flexible and secure. Look in the studio lighting
: sections of stores and catalogs.
:
: You could get about the same effect with one of those "gorilla pods" with
: the bendy legs made of balls. Wrapping the legs around the cross-beam
: would let the camera hang below pointing down. It wouldn't be as stable
: or as secure.
:
: In my own office, I'd just have the superclamp grip the edge of the
: shelf that's conveniently over my workspace. Sometimes the best hack is
: very specific to the space.
:
: If you've got a shelf up there, you could also have the tripod lie on
: the shelf (legs not spread), probably duct-taped down, with the head
: sticking out off the edge supporting the camera.

Even with duct tape or a beefy clip, the end holding the camera is bound to
droop. So include a ball head to correct for that.

Bob
  #23  
Old November 20th 11, 11:10 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article ,
David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

Sandman writes:

So I want to make a timelapse movie of me drawing, and I will be
drawing on paper on a table. I have a DSLR and I was wondering if you
knew about a good way to mount it above the paper?

I have two tripods and putting them on the table may be a bit
cumbersome but it's possible, but I don't seem to be able to zoom
out/move the camera far up enough without seeing the tripod in frame.
Not a huge problem per se, but I would prefer a mounting solution that
works without seeing it of course.

Any ideas?


A boom mounted on the tripod (or across two tripods) could put the
camera directly over the paper and far away from the legs.

The cheapest solution I can think of that meets my standards of neatness
is one Bogen Superclamp or equivalent. Now, support a scrap piece of
pipe or lumber of suitable size or something across above the work area
with suitable quantities of Gaffer's tape (or duct tape if you don't
have to worry about the finish on anything), and mount camera below it
using the clamp. A new Superclamp was $36 last time I bought one, and
they're amazingly flexible and secure. Look in the studio lighting
sections of stores and catalogs.

You could get about the same effect with one of those "gorilla pods" with
the bendy legs made of balls. Wrapping the legs around the cross-beam
would let the camera hang below pointing down. It wouldn't be as stable
or as secure.

In my own office, I'd just have the superclamp grip the edge of the
shelf that's conveniently over my workspace. Sometimes the best hack is
very specific to the space.

If you've got a shelf up there, you could also have the tripod lie on
the shelf (legs not spread), probably duct-taped down, with the head
sticking out off the edge supporting the camera.


All good ideas, thanks! Unfortunately, there's a window by the desk
here, so those ideas, while very good, doesn't apply unfortunately.

Thank you!


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Old November 20th 11, 11:12 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article ,
"Tim Conway" wrote:

"Sandman" wrote in message
...
So I want to make a timelapse movie of me drawing, and I will be
drawing on paper on a table. I have a DSLR and I was wondering if you
knew about a good way to mount it above the paper?

I have two tripods and putting them on the table may be a bit
cumbersome but it's possible, but I don't seem to be able to zoom
out/move the camera far up enough without seeing the tripod in frame.
Not a huge problem per se, but I would prefer a mounting solution that
works without seeing it of course.

Any ideas?


Did I misunderstand or something? It seems to me the OP wants to take a
series of photos of himself doing the artwork as it progresses. (timelapse)
A copystand would be fine for the artwork, but will not include the artist.
My previous comment about a floor standing tripod with a somewhat wide angle
lens from high enough to include both the artist and the artwork seems to be
what's required. If the tripod won't go high enough, you could always stand
it on encyclopedias or some other solid extension! good luck!


Very good suggestion, but the focus is the drawing itselfs. While
hands and arms will be in the picture a lot, I would as much as
possible make the paper on the desk to be framed as neatly as
possible. Positioning the tripod on the floor wouldn't really
accomplish that, I'm afraid. A solution where the camera is positioned
directly above the desk is most desirable. A slight angle would be
acceptable of course (


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Old November 20th 11, 11:17 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article ,
tony cooper wrote:

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 17:02:39 -0500, "Tim Conway"
wrote:


"Sandman" wrote in message
...
So I want to make a timelapse movie of me drawing, and I will be
drawing on paper on a table. I have a DSLR and I was wondering if you
knew about a good way to mount it above the paper?

I have two tripods and putting them on the table may be a bit
cumbersome but it's possible, but I don't seem to be able to zoom
out/move the camera far up enough without seeing the tripod in frame.
Not a huge problem per se, but I would prefer a mounting solution that
works without seeing it of course.

Any ideas?


Did I misunderstand or something? It seems to me the OP wants to take a
series of photos of himself doing the artwork as it progresses. (timelapse)
A copystand would be fine for the artwork, but will not include the artist.
My previous comment about a floor standing tripod with a somewhat wide angle
lens from high enough to include both the artist and the artwork seems to be
what's required. If the tripod won't go high enough, you could always stand
it on encyclopedias or some other solid extension! good luck!


The OP hasn't been particularly clear, but I get the impression that
the timelapse is of what is drawn as the drawing emerges. The OP
would not be in the image, or only the OP's hands would be in the
image. Hard to tell.

I'm guessing something like this:
http://www.neatorama.com/2010/06/11/...e-pen-drawing/


I do apologize for any unintended ambiguity.

The video above is good representation of what I'm trying to do, yes.
The camera is a bit jerky and a bit too zoomed in so to say, makes me
think this may be a video that has been sped up.

A better video, which I realize that I should have included a link to
from the start, is this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_ebuudlRkE

Only, less head of course. Her angle is slightly tilted, but still
clear enough to see everything clearly.

I apologize again for being unclear.


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Old November 20th 11, 11:18 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article ,
"Tim Conway" wrote:

"tony cooper" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 17:02:39 -0500, "Tim Conway"
wrote:


"Sandman" wrote in message
...
So I want to make a timelapse movie of me drawing, and I will be
drawing on paper on a table. I have a DSLR and I was wondering if you
knew about a good way to mount it above the paper?

I have two tripods and putting them on the table may be a bit
cumbersome but it's possible, but I don't seem to be able to zoom
out/move the camera far up enough without seeing the tripod in frame.
Not a huge problem per se, but I would prefer a mounting solution that
works without seeing it of course.

Any ideas?

Did I misunderstand or something? It seems to me the OP wants to take a
series of photos of himself doing the artwork as it progresses.
(timelapse)
A copystand would be fine for the artwork, but will not include the
artist.
My previous comment about a floor standing tripod with a somewhat wide
angle
lens from high enough to include both the artist and the artwork seems to
be
what's required. If the tripod won't go high enough, you could always
stand
it on encyclopedias or some other solid extension! good luck!


The OP hasn't been particularly clear, but I get the impression that
the timelapse is of what is drawn as the drawing emerges. The OP
would not be in the image, or only the OP's hands would be in the
image. Hard to tell.

I'm guessing something like this:
http://www.neatorama.com/2010/06/11/...e-pen-drawing/


Cool. I see what you're saying. A copystand would work fine for that.
Probably not necessary to show complete artist. :-)


I have thought about a copystand, but most of them come with the copy
plate, where the photograph would be, which in turn doesn't make for a
very good working surface, so I've decided against it, which is sad,
since I've always wanted to have a reason to get myself a good
copystand




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Old November 20th 11, 11:21 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Sandman
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In article ,
tony cooper wrote:

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:51:06 +0100, Sandman wrote:

So I want to make a timelapse movie of me drawing, and I will be
drawing on paper on a table. I have a DSLR and I was wondering if you
knew about a good way to mount it above the paper?

I have two tripods and putting them on the table may be a bit
cumbersome but it's possible, but I don't seem to be able to zoom
out/move the camera far up enough without seeing the tripod in frame.
Not a huge problem per se, but I would prefer a mounting solution that
works without seeing it of course.

Any ideas?


I do quite a bit of table-top still photography, and I've kludged
together some Rube Goldberg set-ups that work very well but look
terrible.

Here's one that I would use for your project:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...213/gadget.jpg

In the top image, the camera body is not the one I'd use and the strap
would be detached. I just wanted to show a body in place.

The base is a section of plywood with a hole drilled in it that
accepts a long, threaded section that I bought from Ace Hardware. A
wing nut holds it in place and two large flat washers hold it steady.
When I'm not using it, the threaded section is removed for easier
storage.

I slotted the base on my table saw so opaque sheets of plastic can be
inserted to act as light diffusers when I use external lights from the
side.

The horizontal pieces are some things I picked up at a yard sale for a
buck or so each. Flash brackets of some kind, I think. I can use
just the piece in the middle image, or extend the camera out with the
piece in the lower image.

I have a section of parachute material with a lens opening cut-out
that can be spread across the top of the plastic inserts when I want
to diffuse light from above.

This set-up works well for photographs where I'm shooting relatively
straight down on the subject. Antique pocket watch works, for
example. I have a tripod with a reversible shaft, but this is quicker
and easier to set up and work with. No legs in the way and it puts
the camera at eye level when I place the base on a bench.

Ugly photos here, and an ugly set-up, but it works.


Yeah, great setup. I'm assuming you are working from opposite the
stand, and that the resulting images would be slightly tilted?

Even so, I would be sitting at my normal desk and the wife would not
appreciate me drilling holes in it for some temporary camera stands.
Apart from that, it looks like a solid solution.


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Old November 20th 11, 11:22 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Mike
wrote:

On 19/11/2011 4:51 AM, Sandman wrote:
So I want to make a timelapse movie of me drawing, and I will be
drawing on paper on a table. I have a DSLR and I was wondering if you
knew about a good way to mount it above the paper?

I have two tripods and putting them on the table may be a bit
cumbersome but it's possible, but I don't seem to be able to zoom
out/move the camera far up enough without seeing the tripod in frame.
Not a huge problem per se, but I would prefer a mounting solution that
works without seeing it of course.

Any ideas?

In the old days we used a copystand. You can also use a tripod boom arm
such as this:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._131DD_Tripod_
Accessory_Arm.html

I would suggest a counterweight to balance the weight. Other similar
items exist from other makers. Often sold a macro arms, etc.


Aha, yes that might be something. As long as it can be made sturdy
enough. Thanks!


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Old November 20th 11, 11:23 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article ,
Chris Malcolm wrote:

Sandman wrote:
In article 4ec77c90.6203968@chupacabra,
Bob Dobbs wrote:


Sandman wrote:
So I want to make a timelapse movie of me drawing, and I will be
drawing on paper on a table. I have a DSLR and I was wondering if you
knew about a good way to mount it above the paper?

I have two tripods and putting them on the table may be a bit
cumbersome but it's possible, but I don't seem to be able to zoom
out/move the camera far up enough without seeing the tripod in frame.
Not a huge problem per se, but I would prefer a mounting solution that
works without seeing it of course.

Any ideas?

What about using the paper mounted/pinned on the wall as your target?


Because, drawing on a paper pinned to a wall isn't very ergonomic


Drawing on an easel? Or architect's type drawing board?


I paint a lot and have done timelapse shots of that, which is easy
with any tripod of course. BUt drawing has to be done horizontally I'm
afraid.


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Old November 20th 11, 11:24 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Peter Irwin
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Sandman wrote:

I'm not sure I understand what a reversible column would be, and how
to check if I can use it? Sorry

Based on the picture of your tripod, I would try to see if I could
take the cap off the bottom of the central column of the tripod,
loosen the knob holding the central column in place and then pull
the central column up out of the tripod. Then insert the column
upside down into the bottom of the apex of the tripod.

If the cap on the bottom of your tripod central column comes off,
this will probably work. The advantage is that since your camera
is now a bit lower than your tripod legs, the legs won't show
when pointing down. You may need to be careful about lighting
to keep tripod leg shadows out of the picture.


Whoa, man, you just blew my mind. Yes, the bottom does come off, and
yes it can be turned upside down. Now I have to try something to see
if the camera comes too low, but this may just be the simplest
solution to this. Tons of thanks to you!




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