NR: New Nikon Trademarks

On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 00:14:01 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Don't forget that the D1, the camera which started it all, has a
sensor size of 23.7 x 15.6. It was Canon which came up with the
so-called full-size sensor.

the d1 didn't start anything, nor did canon come up with the idea of a
full frame sensor. everyone wanted a full frame sensor. the problem was
that it was cost prohibitive to manufacture a sensor of that size back
then.

there were plenty of digital slrs, long before the d1, although they
were spendy.

if anything started it all, it was the canon digital rebel, which broke
the $1000 price barrier.

Nikon D1 from 1999, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikon_D1
I don't know of any serious digital camera before then.

there were quite a few, namely the kodak dcs series going back to the
mid-1990s.

A Kodak sensor kit attached to a Nikon film body.

so what.

what matters is what changed the industry, not who made the parts.

What really matters is the topic: sensor size.

then contax wins, with the first full frame slr, announced in 2000 and
shipped in 2002
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contax_N_Digital

What on earth has so-called 'full-frame' got to do with it?

pentax also announced (but never shipped) a full frame slr around that
time.

kodak is a close second with the 14n, announced in 2002 and shipped
several months later and about the same time, canon shipped the 1ds,
with both being close enough to be considered a tie.

nikon's full frame camera, the d3, came out in 2007, shattering the
beliefs of a bunch of idiots who claimed that nikon had said they'd
never release a full frame camera. nikon never said such a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodak_DCS_400_series

the d1 was cheaper than the kodak cameras, but still not cheap ($5k)
and therefore mainly bought by pros who could justify the cost.

Nevertheless it was the first serious digital camera designed and
built to be a digital camera from whoa to go by a serious camera
manufacturer. That's why I say the D1 started the ball rolling.

it didn't. the kodaks did, and kodak is a serious camera manufacturer.

They thought they were. But they never really made a serious digital
camera.

the dcs cameras were *very* serious, priced where only pros could
justify them.

Canon Rebel 200e see



http://petapixel.com/2015/10/12/hand...-canon-rebel-f
rom-2003/

as i said, the rebel broke the $1000 price barrier, making it
accessible to the average consumer, not just pros, which is when dslrs
took off.

That might have been a magic barrier in the US market but it was
several years after both Canon and Nikon had started selling digital
cameras. The

You should have picked the PowerShot 600 of 1996.
See http://global.canon/en/c-museum/history/story08.html

what for, when the apple quicktake in 1994 was considered the first
mass market digital camera (i.e., sold in significant quantity).

Then you should have picked the Apple Quicktake of 1994. But it looks
remarkably like the early Kodak designs. In fact it was:

http://mashable.com/2014/06/21/digit.../#unjP0ICGaOqh
"The QuickTake 100, which captured and stored eight 640 x 480 pixel
(or 16 320 x 240 pixel 24-bit color images) was the product of the
inventor of the digital camera: Kodak. Afraid of jeopardizing its
film business, Kodak didn't want its own name on its own creation,
just one in a long series of digital camera history ironies."

the apple quicktake was the first consumer digital camera that sold in
quantity.
the canon rebel was the first consumer slr that sold in quantity.

two totally different markets.

What are you trying to say?

and if you want to go back even further, the sony mavica from the 80s
was the first non-film camera. it can't be called digital since it was
actually analog, not that that really matters. the fact that it wasn't
film was key.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_QuickTake

nikon soon followed with the d70. in fact, nikon had to preannounce the
d70 to discourage people from buying the canon, something they don't
normally do.

You could have fooled me with that last comment. 'Rumours' and
pre-announcements seem to be a standard part of the business.

it's not.

secrecy is where it's at.

Yeah.
www.canonrumors.com
www.nikonrumors.com
www.fujirumors.com

i'm talking about official statements, not leaks.

Official 'rumors'? You gotta be joking.

nikon specifically preannounced the d70 months in advance because they
were getting hit hard by canon rebel sales.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article ,
tconway wrote:

On 9/25/2016 12:14 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Don't forget that the D1, the camera which started it all, has a
sensor size of 23.7 x 15.6. It was Canon which came up with the
so-called full-size sensor.

the d1 didn't start anything, nor did canon come up with the idea of
a
full frame sensor. everyone wanted a full frame sensor. the problem
was
that it was cost prohibitive to manufacture a sensor of that size
back
then.

there were plenty of digital slrs, long before the d1, although they
were spendy.

if anything started it all, it was the canon digital rebel, which
broke
the $1000 price barrier.

Nikon D1 from 1999, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikon_D1
I don't know of any serious digital camera before then.

there were quite a few, namely the kodak dcs series going back to the
mid-1990s.

A Kodak sensor kit attached to a Nikon film body.

so what.

what matters is what changed the industry, not who made the parts.

What really matters is the topic: sensor size.

then contax wins, with the first full frame slr, announced in 2000 and
shipped in 2002
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contax_N_Digital

pentax also announced (but never shipped) a full frame slr around that
time.

kodak is a close second with the 14n, announced in 2002 and shipped
several months later and about the same time, canon shipped the 1ds,
with both being close enough to be considered a tie.

nikon's full frame camera, the d3, came out in 2007, shattering the
beliefs of a bunch of idiots who claimed that nikon had said they'd
never release a full frame camera. nikon never said such a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodak_DCS_400_series

the d1 was cheaper than the kodak cameras, but still not cheap ($5k)
and therefore mainly bought by pros who could justify the cost.

Nevertheless it was the first serious digital camera designed and
built to be a digital camera from whoa to go by a serious camera
manufacturer. That's why I say the D1 started the ball rolling.

it didn't. the kodaks did, and kodak is a serious camera manufacturer.

They thought they were. But they never really made a serious digital
camera.

the dcs cameras were *very* serious, priced where only pros could
justify them.

Canon Rebel 200e see



http://petapixel.com/2015/10/12/hand...l-canon-rebel-
f
rom-2003/

as i said, the rebel broke the $1000 price barrier, making it
accessible to the average consumer, not just pros, which is when dslrs
took off.

That might have been a magic barrier in the US market but it was
several years after both Canon and Nikon had started selling digital
cameras. The

You should have picked the PowerShot 600 of 1996.
See http://global.canon/en/c-museum/history/story08.html

what for, when the apple quicktake in 1994 was considered the first
mass market digital camera (i.e., sold in significant quantity).

Then you should have picked the Apple Quicktake of 1994. But it looks
remarkably like the early Kodak designs. In fact it was:

http://mashable.com/2014/06/21/digit...y/#unjP0ICGaOq
h
"The QuickTake 100, which captured and stored eight 640 x 480 pixel
(or 16 320 x 240 pixel 24-bit color images) was the product of the
inventor of the digital camera: Kodak. Afraid of jeopardizing its
film business, Kodak didn't want its own name on its own creation,
just one in a long series of digital camera history ironies."

the apple quicktake was the first consumer digital camera that sold in
quantity.
the canon rebel was the first consumer slr that sold in quantity.

two totally different markets.

and if you want to go back even further, the sony mavica from the 80s
was the first non-film camera. it can't be called digital since it was
actually analog, not that that really matters. the fact that it wasn't
film was key.

Wow, I used one of those Sony Mavicas in real estate multiple listing
service photography starting in 1989. You're right it wasn't film based
nor digital. It used a 2 inch square still video floppy disk. It was
pretty advanced for its time.
Tim

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_QuickTake

nikon soon followed with the d70. in fact, nikon had to preannounce the
d70 to discourage people from buying the canon, something they don't
normally do.

You could have fooled me with that last comment. 'Rumours' and
pre-announcements seem to be a standard part of the business.

it's not.

secrecy is where it's at.

Yeah.
www.canonrumors.com
www.nikonrumors.com
www.fujirumors.com

i'm talking about official statements, not leaks.

Yeas. I've failed to understand who wold risk work, income and status in
the community, especially in Japan by making minor leaks just to make
their employer uncomfortable. They do obviously not get paid the
mentioned sites! It's very hard to se it otherwise than that the
mentioned MFs are playing the market and that the information
distributed to the sites mentioned above has to be seen in that context.

nikon specifically preannounced the d70 months in advance because they
were getting hit hard by canon rebel sales.

--
teleportation kills

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Don't forget that the D1, the camera which started it all, has a
sensor size of 23.7 x 15.6. It was Canon which came up with the
so-called full-size sensor.

the d1 didn't start anything, nor did canon come up with the idea
of a
full frame sensor. everyone wanted a full frame sensor. the problem
was
that it was cost prohibitive to manufacture a sensor of that size
back
then.

there were plenty of digital slrs, long before the d1, although they
were spendy.

if anything started it all, it was the canon digital rebel, which
broke
the $1000 price barrier.

Nikon D1 from 1999, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikon_D1
I don't know of any serious digital camera before then.

there were quite a few, namely the kodak dcs series going back to the
mid-1990s.

A Kodak sensor kit attached to a Nikon film body.

so what.

what matters is what changed the industry, not who made the parts.

What really matters is the topic: sensor size.

then contax wins, with the first full frame slr, announced in 2000 and
shipped in 2002
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contax_N_Digital

What on earth has so-called 'full-frame' got to do with it?

canon *didn't* come up with the 'so-called full size sensor' (nothing
so-called about it, it was an actual full frame sensor) and the nikon
d1 didn't 'start it all'.



nikon soon followed with the d70. in fact, nikon had to preannounce the
d70 to discourage people from buying the canon, something they don't
normally do.

You could have fooled me with that last comment. 'Rumours' and
pre-announcements seem to be a standard part of the business.

it's not.

secrecy is where it's at.

Yeah.
www.canonrumors.com
www.nikonrumors.com
www.fujirumors.com

i'm talking about official statements, not leaks.

Official 'rumors'? You gotta be joking.

the d70 announcement was *not* a rumour.

nikon officially announced the forthcoming d70 so that people would
wait for that rather than buy the canon rebel, which at the time was
half the price of the d100.

In article ,
nospam wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Don't forget that the D1, the camera which started it all, has
a
sensor size of 23.7 x 15.6. It was Canon which came up with the
so-called full-size sensor.

the d1 didn't start anything, nor did canon come up with the idea
of a
full frame sensor. everyone wanted a full frame sensor. the
problem
was
that it was cost prohibitive to manufacture a sensor of that size
back
then.

there were plenty of digital slrs, long before the d1, although
they
were spendy.

if anything started it all, it was the canon digital rebel, which
broke
the $1000 price barrier.

Nikon D1 from 1999, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikon_D1
I don't know of any serious digital camera before then.

there were quite a few, namely the kodak dcs series going back to
the
mid-1990s.

A Kodak sensor kit attached to a Nikon film body.

so what.

what matters is what changed the industry, not who made the parts.

What really matters is the topic: sensor size.

then contax wins, with the first full frame slr, announced in 2000 and
shipped in 2002
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contax_N_Digital

What on earth has so-called 'full-frame' got to do with it?

canon *didn't* come up with the 'so-called full size sensor' (nothing
so-called about it, it was an actual full frame sensor) and the nikon
d1 didn't 'start it all'.



nikon soon followed with the d70. in fact, nikon had to preannounce
the
d70 to discourage people from buying the canon, something they don't
normally do.

You could have fooled me with that last comment. 'Rumours' and
pre-announcements seem to be a standard part of the business.

it's not.

secrecy is where it's at.

Yeah.
www.canonrumors.com
www.nikonrumors.com
www.fujirumors.com

i'm talking about official statements, not leaks.

Official 'rumors'? You gotta be joking.

the d70 announcement was *not* a rumour.

nikon officially announced the forthcoming d70 so that people would
wait for that rather than buy the canon rebel, which at the time was
half the price of the d100.

I couldn't decide between the d70 and the d70s and got the Evolt E-300
instead... Follow my lead, I always do the right deed!
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teleportation kills