[SI] Pointer to current rulz?

On 2012-05-08 15:06 , Chemiker wrote:
Aside from the deadlines and size limits, what other rules are in
place? Cropping, brightness adjustment, where's the limit?

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/rulzpage

In a nutshell cropping is allowed, as are adjustments to
tone/brightness/contrast, USM, etc.

HDR is acceptable whether in-camera or post-processed from several
images. I'd just caution against over-doing-it.

Extensive digital manipulation is not welcome and certainly is not the
goal of the SI.

PS: Posts referring to the SI should have SI in square brackets:

[SI] Pointer to current rules.

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The Committee

On 5/8/2012 5:53 PM, SI Committee wrote:
On 2012-05-08 15:06 , Chemiker wrote:
Aside from the deadlines and size limits, what other rules are in
place? Cropping, brightness adjustment, where's the limit?

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/rulzpage

In a nutshell cropping is allowed, as are adjustments to
tone/brightness/contrast, USM, etc.

HDR is acceptable whether in-camera or post-processed from several
images. I'd just caution against over-doing-it.

Extensive digital manipulation is not welcome and certainly is not the
goal of the SI.

PS: Posts referring to the SI should have SI in square brackets:

[SI] Pointer to current rules.


Please define "extensive digital manipulation."

Is it converting from color to monochrome?
Is it: major color correction; noise removal; blurring; or selective
and/or overall sharpening?
Is it: removing a skin blemish; a people blemish; an object blemish? How
about composites, solarizations, and posterizations. (all of which I
have done in the darkroom.)
etc.

Please don't go there. Allow artistic freedom.

Once I am back in shooting form, I plan to submit any image that is
compatible with the theme. Remember this is an art form, not a pure
reporting format.
--
Peter

On Tue, 08 May 2012 17:53:06 -0400, SI Committee
wrote:

Extensive digital manipulation is not welcome and certainly is not the
goal of the SI.

Are we getting into X-rated territory here?

Just askin'

Alex

On 5/9/2012 7:44 AM, gpsman wrote:
On May 8, 8:03 pm, wrote:
On 5/8/2012 5:53 PM, SI Committee wrote:

HDR is acceptable whether in-camera or post-processed from several
images. I'd just caution against over-doing-it.

Extensive digital manipulation is not welcome and certainly is not the
goal of the SI.

Please define "extensive digital manipulation."

My definition would include HDR.

How
about composites, solarizations, and posterizations. (all of which I
have done in the darkroom.)
etc.

Please don't go there. Allow artistic freedom.

I disagree. This seems to be intended a "shooting" [SI]
"assignment". "Artistic" manipulation is... something else.

Once I am back in shooting form, I plan to submit any image that is
compatible with the theme. Remember this is an art form, not a pure
reporting format.

I disagree. It is whatever the moderator says it is.

Were it me, I'd spec a mandate and 5 minutes max. for "adjustments",
and anyone who didn't want to participate would be welcome to not
participate, and whatever images that were in my opinion over-
manipulated would go straight in the bit bucket.

Always your right.



I sure as hell would not open a discussion of opinions of what the
mandates should be. I'm pretty sure moderating the [SI] in my manner
would be enough work for free, for me.

Is asking for clarification opening a discussion. I can do any of the
items listed above in a darkroom. Just because I am using a digital
format doesn't mean there should be more restrictions.


--
Peter

On 2012-05-09 07:44 , gpsman wrote:
On May 8, 8:03 pm, PeterN wrote:
On 5/8/2012 5:53 PM, SI Committee wrote:

HDR is acceptable whether in-camera or post-processed from several
images. I'd just caution against over-doing-it.

Extensive digital manipulation is not welcome and certainly is not the
goal of the SI.

Please define "extensive digital manipulation."

My definition would include HDR.

HDR was a film technique, albeit not common, so (if one refers to the
founding SI discussions and "common darkroom technique") it is allowed.

But as we said, if one submits an extreme v. of HDR in the SI it is not
likely to be well received.

How
about composites, solarizations, and posterizations. (all of which I
have done in the darkroom.)
etc.

Please don't go there. Allow artistic freedom.

I disagree. This seems to be intended a "shooting" [SI]
"assignment". "Artistic" manipulation is... something else.

Extremes in digital manipulation are indeed not the point of the SI
which is about capture, not editing skills.

Once I am back in shooting form, I plan to submit any image that is
compatible with the theme. Remember this is an art form, not a pure
reporting format.

I disagree. It is whatever the moderator says it is.

Were it me, I'd spec a mandate and 5 minutes max. for "adjustments",
and anyone who didn't want to participate would be welcome to not
participate, and whatever images that were in my opinion over-
manipulated would go straight in the bit bucket.

I sure as hell would not open a discussion of opinions of what the
mandates should be. I'm pretty sure moderating the [SI] in my manner
would be enough work for free, for me.

The moderators have never thrown a photo out to our knowledge (other
than one case where a moderator thought a particular photo to be too
explicit sexually). There was at least one photo that was obviously
manipulated beyond capture with the addition of a feature that was
obviously fake. It was allowed in and roundly rejected in comments.

--
The Committee

On 2012-05-09 10:30 , Chemiker wrote:
On Tue, 08 May 2012 17:53:06 -0400, SI Committee
wrote:

Extensive digital manipulation is not welcome and certainly is not the
goal of the SI.

Are we getting into X-rated territory here?

;-)

Past moderators would not allow nudity. I would as long as it is not
vulgar/obscene or otherwise offensive.


--
"A person with a new idea is a crank until the idea succeeds."
-Samuel Clemens.

On 5/9/2012 5:14 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2012-05-09 10:30 , Chemiker wrote:
On Tue, 08 May 2012 17:53:06 -0400, SI Committee
wrote:

Extensive digital manipulation is not welcome and certainly is not the
goal of the SI.

Are we getting into X-rated territory here?

;-)

Past moderators would not allow nudity. I would as long as it is not
vulgar/obscene or otherwise offensive.


Ah, a disciple of Justice Potter who could not define obscenity but knew
it when he saw it!

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

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