Shooting a church service

"Ray Creveling" wrote in message
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I may be shooting a church service this week. The primary lighting will
be
candles and I'm pretty sure flash will be a no go. I was planning on
shooting with my Canononet G III QL 17. I'm thinking of going right to
3200
speed B&W and just under exposing by 2 stops (Meter tops out at iso 800).

Any advice is welcome.

--
Ray Creveling
http://www.blackcatblog.com

This is an example of a situation where a DSLR can be of GREAT use.
You'd be able to gage your images on the spot, and adjust.

My dad just got a 10D a while back, and even though he didn't know
much...came back from Romania with some nice candle-light photos in a church
there.

Here are a couple of his shots:
http://www.sendpix.com/albums/04091418/lb0aow8r1s/
(Click thumbs, then click again)

"Ray Creveling" wrote in message ...
I may be shooting a church service this week. The primary lighting will be
candles and I'm pretty sure flash will be a no go. I was planning on
shooting with my Canononet G III QL 17. I'm thinking of going right to 3200
speed B&W and just under exposing by 2 stops (Meter tops out at iso 800).

Any advice is welcome.

--
Ray Creveling
http://www.blackcatblog.com

You may want to take a hand-held meter, and expose manually. IIRC,
the QL17 won't meter in manual mode, and it may lock out if it feels
that it can't get the exposure right. Mind you, that might not be an
issue - some churches are brighter than others, and it'll depend on
the time of day.

Cheers,
Steve

"Ray Creveling" wrote in message ...
I may be shooting a church service this week. The primary lighting will be
candles and I'm pretty sure flash will be a no go. I was planning on
shooting with my Canononet G III QL 17. I'm thinking of going right to 3200
speed B&W and just under exposing by 2 stops (Meter tops out at iso 800).

Any advice is welcome.

--
Ray Creveling
http://www.blackcatblog.com

You may want to take a hand-held meter, and expose manually. IIRC,
the QL17 won't meter in manual mode, and it may lock out if it feels
that it can't get the exposure right. Mind you, that might not be an
issue - some churches are brighter than others, and it'll depend on
the time of day.

Cheers,
Steve

"Bob Hickey" wrote in message ...
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Ask the
Priest if you can restage. Then shoot NPS or Portra @ 100 with flash. Set
the aperture by the flash and drag the shutter to get the candles and use an
81B or something like that to make it look like candle light. Fast film will
mostly give you a fuzzy shot and tripods won't do it in church.
Bob Hickey

Depends on the service, of course - I wouldn't want to be asking
someone to restage a funeral...

Flash in a church I'd only do if it were a wedding, personally.

Cheers,
Steve

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Ask the
Priest if you can restage. Then shoot NPS or Portra @ 100 with flash. Set
the aperture by the flash and drag the shutter to get the candles and use an
81B or something like that to make it look like candle light. Fast film will
mostly give you a fuzzy shot and tripods won't do it in church.
Bob Hickey

Depends on the service, of course - I wouldn't want to be asking
someone to restage a funeral...

Flash in a church I'd only do if it were a wedding, personally.

Cheers,
Steve

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"Mark M" wrote in message
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"Ray Creveling" wrote in message
...
I may be shooting a church service this week. The primary lighting will
be
candles and I'm pretty sure flash will be a no go. I was planning on
shooting with my Canononet G III QL 17. I'm thinking of going right to
3200
speed B&W and just under exposing by 2 stops (Meter tops out at iso
800).

Any advice is welcome.

--
Ray Creveling
http://www.blackcatblog.com

This is an example of a situation where a DSLR can be of GREAT use.
You'd be able to gage your images on the spot, and adjust.

My dad just got a 10D a while back, and even though he didn't know
much...came back from Romania with some nice candle-light photos in a
church
there.

Here are a couple of his shots:
http://www.sendpix.com/albums/04091418/lb0aow8r1s/
(Click thumbs, then click again)


Your dad's got an eye for it!

--
Regards,
Matt Clara
www.mattclara.com

"Mark M" wrote in message
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"Ray Creveling" wrote in message
...
I may be shooting a church service this week. The primary lighting will
be
candles and I'm pretty sure flash will be a no go. I was planning on
shooting with my Canononet G III QL 17. I'm thinking of going right to
3200
speed B&W and just under exposing by 2 stops (Meter tops out at iso
800).

Any advice is welcome.

--
Ray Creveling
http://www.blackcatblog.com

This is an example of a situation where a DSLR can be of GREAT use.
You'd be able to gage your images on the spot, and adjust.

My dad just got a 10D a while back, and even though he didn't know
much...came back from Romania with some nice candle-light photos in a
church
there.

Here are a couple of his shots:
http://www.sendpix.com/albums/04091418/lb0aow8r1s/
(Click thumbs, then click again)


Your dad's got an eye for it!

--
Regards,
Matt Clara
www.mattclara.com

"Roger" wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:40:42 GMT, "Matt Clara"
wrote:

"Mark M" wrote in message
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This is an example of a situation where a DSLR can be of GREAT use.
You'd be able to gage your images on the spot, and adjust.

My dad just got a 10D a while back, and even though he didn't know
much...came back from Romania with some nice candle-light photos in a
church
there.

Here are a couple of his shots:
http://www.sendpix.com/albums/04091418/lb0aow8r1s/
(Click thumbs, then click again)


Your dad's got an eye for it!

Mark,

What great pictures. Tell you Dad to keep it up. One of the things
that leaps out at me is the color balance. I expect that the result is
dependent somewhat on the venue (the highlights in the gray hair
appear to be sunlight). However, in my experience with film the
indoor lighting in churches is such a low color temperature, that when
you add candle light you get a terrible mess of reds, never anything
as dynamic as what you are showing here.

There appears some overall softness in each of the pictures, but it
doesn't appear to be due to motion or focus. Is this just dependent on
the camera software (e.g. internal sharpening or lack thereof in this
case)?

I'll pass on your thoughts (and Matt's) to my Dad, who will be absolutely
THRILLED to hear your opinion. He's 68 years old, and not computer/digital
savvy at all. It's all a bit overwhelming to him, and this is just the sort
of encouragement that will fuel his fun.

I did adjust levels *slightly*, but nothing else--no color, or sharpening.
It's true, I think, that the older gentleman in the picture had some sort of
window light adding a bit, but the others were candle light only (for all
practical purposes). It was blurry in part because I'm sure his 10D was on
"P" (since he's new to this), and relied on what the camera thought up in
terms of shutter speed, etc. Also, he was just hand-holding without IS or
anything, so it wasn't the sharpest... He shot it at 105mm (that's more
like 160mm when you add the 1.6x factor, which does translate to perceived
camera-shake) at a relatively slow 1/60th of a second (it was in the
meta-data). He did quite well considering it wasn't an IS lens.

-Mark