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Jobo atl3
On 8/14/2010 2:36 AM Darkroom User spake thus:
Unfortunately, Apple-Mail cannot be used for Newsgroups. I have edited out the color tags this time. :-) Then get something suitable for newsgroups. Like Thunderbird (what I use), which is free. (Also works for email.) Go to http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird to get it. And as someone else pointed out, it's rude and goes against the grain here to top-post. Just look at other postings here to see what the convention is. -- The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring, with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags. - Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com) |
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Pyro Developers Question.
"IanG" wrote:
Nicholas Lindan wrote: What does "more tonality" mean? Nothing. "Tonality" as applied to photography and as near as I can tell means the writer, using developer X and film Y, made some photos he liked. If you don't understand the word Tonality I suggest you think about the subtleties [sic] of of [sic] how tones change within an image, it's not measured with a densitometer, it's not scientific and it's more important to image quality. I can see I understand the word very well. -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http://www.darkroomautomation.com/da-main.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com |
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Pyro Developers Question.
IanG wrote:
On 9 Aug, 07:32, "Nicholas O. Lindan" wrote: "Jean-David Beyer" wrote What does "more tonality" mean? Nothing. "Tonality" as applied to photography and as near as I can tell means the writer, using developer X and film Y, made some photos he liked . "More Tonality" means he "more liked" his photos. "Tonality" is a word that should be removed from the language. We don't have "colorality" or "tastality" and have never missed them. I think. I hope. Better check. Oh dear, "tastality" comes up with 14 hits, "colorality" 47. Thankfully used in a mocking context ... I think we can say that negatives developed in Pyro have more "Pyrality" and leave it at that. -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http://www.darkroomautomation.com/da-main.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com If you don't understand the word Tonality I suggest you think about the subtleties of of how tones change within an image, it's not measured with a densitometer, it's not scientific and it's more important to image quality. The subtleties of how the tones (reflectances) change within an image are shown perfectly well in the D/H curve of the printing system, from subject to negative to positive print. And these things are measurable with a spot-meter, a transmission densitometer, and a reflection densitometer, respectively. When looking at a print, the human eye replaces the reflectance densitometer, of course. But I fail to see how "more tonality" can mean anything. The difference between the minimum and maximum density of a print can be changed a bit by technical means, and that could mean something. The average slope of the D/H curve can be changed by changing the development time (contrast adjustment). So you could have more lightness, more contrast, etc. But those are not so much subtleties as normal results of the photographic process. Changing the fundamental shapes, such as the contrast in the toe, the "straight line", and the shoulder of the print might be subtle, to the extent that it can be accomplished, but there you really need to illustrate what you mean by showing the curves themselves. "More" or "less" are meaningless in this context. -- .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642. /V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939. /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org ^^-^^ 07:15:01 up 8 days, 10:34, 3 users, load average: 4.80, 4.91, 4.93 |
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Pyro Developers Question.
"Jean-David Beyer" wrote in message ... IanG wrote: On 9 Aug, 07:32, "Nicholas O. Lindan" wrote: "Jean-David Beyer" wrote What does "more tonality" mean? Nothing. "Tonality" as applied to photography and as near as I can tell means the writer, using developer X and film Y, made some photos he liked . "More Tonality" means he "more liked" his photos. "Tonality" is a word that should be removed from the language. We don't have "colorality" or "tastality" and have never missed them. I think. I hope. Better check. Oh dear, "tastality" comes up with 14 hits, "colorality" 47. Thankfully used in a mocking context ... I think we can say that negatives developed in Pyro have more "Pyrality" and leave it at that. -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http://www.darkroomautomation.com/da-main.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com If you don't understand the word Tonality I suggest you think about the subtleties of of how tones change within an image, it's not measured with a densitometer, it's not scientific and it's more important to image quality. The subtleties of how the tones (reflectances) change within an image are shown perfectly well in the D/H curve of the printing system, from subject to negative to positive print. And these things are measurable with a spot-meter, a transmission densitometer, and a reflection densitometer, respectively. When looking at a print, the human eye replaces the reflectance densitometer, of course. But I fail to see how "more tonality" can mean anything. The difference between the minimum and maximum density of a print can be changed a bit by technical means, and that could mean something. The average slope of the D/H curve can be changed by changing the development time (contrast adjustment). So you could have more lightness, more contrast, etc. But those are not so much subtleties as normal results of the photographic process. Changing the fundamental shapes, such as the contrast in the toe, the "straight line", and the shoulder of the print might be subtle, to the extent that it can be accomplished, but there you really need to illustrate what you mean by showing the curves themselves. "More" or "less" are meaningless in this context. -- .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642. /V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939. /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org ^^-^^ 07:15:01 up 8 days, 10:34, 3 users, load average: 4.80, 4.91, 4.93 This is the kind of rubbish one finds in high end audio. The claim that something can be sensed but not measured. Since your senses _are_ measuring things any difference that can be seen or heard can be measured. To say otherwise is to deny the lessons learned from the entire history of science. There is a perfectly enormous amount of valid material on tone reproduction in photgraphic processes in the literature. I strongly suggest people who want some real understanding read some of it. -- -- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA |
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