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A blurry photo
In article , MC
wrote: So, basically, what you are saying is that because technology has moved on it is OK to be lazy and that to be a half decent photographer you do not now need to know how to TAKE a photograph, only to how to manipulate one. Hmmm... nothing lazy about it. not using the available technology is stupid. why not go back to glass plates, where you *really* had to think about each photo. cropping before or after makes no difference, other than a potential difference in quality (which might never be noticed anyway). A zoom (or tele) lens is the proper tool for the job if you need to compose for a distant subject up close, not the crop the hell out of it to try and get the same image. not necessarily. sometimes moving closer is the proper solution. sometimes a combination of both. |
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A blurry photo
On 07/11/2013 04:07, nospam wrote:
[] why not go back to glass plates, where you *really* had to think about each photo. [] Perhaps that's why using an iPad to take photos can help your composition.... -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu |
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A blurry photo
On 2013-11-07 07:41:53 +0000, David Taylor
said: On 07/11/2013 04:07, nospam wrote: [] why not go back to glass plates, where you *really* had to think about each photo. [] Perhaps that's why using an iPad to take photos can help your composition.... :-) -- Regards, Savageduck |
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A blurry photo
On 11/6/2013 5:42 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-11-06 21:17:59 +0000, PeterN said: On 11/6/2013 11:50 AM, Savageduck wrote: On 2013-11-05 20:04:07 +0000, PeterN said: Some photos are not supposed to be sharp. As always, all comments welcome. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/under%20the%20wave.jpg There is no accounting for taste. True. It seems to me that this is one of those shots which should have been considered a reject (I have a whole bunch of those) and you have cropped to find something which comes into your definition of artistic expression. That does not make a blurry, OoF shot in anyway good. This is a poor capture which you are trying to tell us is actually good when it isn't. As you say "some photos are not supposed to be sharp", but just saying that and implying that this is somehow better for the blur is dellusional in your part. Let me go through some of my artistic rejects, and post them here with the claim that my screw-ups are ultimately works of art. Not in my wildest dreams would I think that, and I am sorry to say this shot of yours doesn't rise to the occasion either. That shot can never be "in focus." Hmmm... Could this be the time for, "Never, say never"? The bird was diving through the wave and was covered with water. I suspect the crop section was never near the active AF point. The entire shot, or should I say the crop section is entirely OoF. You had the shutter speed fast enough at 1/2000 @f/11 to freeze the bird in flight, the wave, or anything else moving in that area. What would be interesting would be to see the pre-cropped image and I suspect the primary focus point would have been somewhere other than that bird, or that general target area. Somewhere in that image is a nice sharp, in-focus area, but that bird and the wave behind it never had a chance, I doubt if you had any of the focus points anywhere near the bird when you tripped the shutter. I also doubt that you were panning with the bird as it flew along the wave front. Personally, as a fellow Nikon shooter, I would have used 3D-Tracking for the Dynamic Area AF points, along will AF-C rather than AF-S. This is what I use for stuff in motion, card, planes, cyclists, birds, etc. That way your birdie and its wave might have had a chance to be captured cleanly. In theory you are right. In reality, we can't always achieve the ideal. I was looking for the birds along hte shore, and I saw this guy. No time to switch or worry a bout composition. Just a swing and wing, shot. However, to my eye the blur looks interesting. ...in the eye of the beholder, etc. I do appreciate your comment, even if you don't like the shot. I would have been more inclined to like it if there had been a tad more deliberation in capture. I asked him to go back, but he wouldn't cooperate. Give me a day or two and I will post a link ot the .nef file. -- PeterN |
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A blurry photo
On 11/6/2013 10:38 PM, MC wrote:
wrote: On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 17:44:42 GMT, "MC" wrote: PeterN wrote snip Thanks for your comments. It is a severe crop, I can't say how much, because I crop and recrop until I get the composition I want. Maybe you should start making sure the composition is correct before you press the shutter button. Cropping to obtain the composition you failed to get whilst taking the image is BAD photography. Much of the skill (art) in photography is in composition. Cropping should only be done to obtain an aspect ratio not available out of camera and to use the method to obtain the composition is an unskillful, lazy habit. Neither is cropping a substitute for a zoom lens. If you want to get closer to your subject, from a distance, you need to invest in telephoto equipment. It is as simple as that. You are never going to learn how to take good photographs if you rely on cropping to obtain the image you want. By doing so, all you end up achieving is to producing poor, postage stamp sized images. MC That may have been true in the days of film, but has no bearing on today's digital cameras... ...Since I am composing the shot, whether I do it at the time of shutter press or in post has no bearing on my art. (My art is my art no matter what I do!) And with a 24m pixel camera, I can crop the **** out of it and still end up with an HD photo. My first camera was 1.8mp. So, basically, what you are saying is that because technology has moved on it is OK to be lazy and that to be a half decent photographer you do not now need to know how to TAKE a photograph, only to how to manipulate one. Hmmm... Your suggestion that you need to use a ZOOM lens to compose a shot is wrong! Zoom lens were NOT invented to compose shots, but simply for the convenience of not changing lenses. Zooms alter the scene perspective. Any pro will tell you that, it's in all my books. The proper way to compose is to move your position. A zoom (or tele) lens is the proper tool for the job if you need to compose for a distant subject up close, not the crop the hell out of it to try and get the same image. There is no question that we should try to get it right in the camera. However, since it is not a perfect world, that goal is not always achieved. Here is a link to a serious crop. the original image wsas taken at the closest distance my equipment would allow. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/1%20Needs%20A%20Shower.jpg Yes I did some PS. -- PeterN |
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A blurry photo
On 11/6/2013 10:38 PM, MC wrote:
snip A zoom (or tele) lens is the proper tool for the job if you need to compose for a distant subject up close, not the crop the hell out of it to try and get the same image. With Kodachrome, I would sometimes get three or four different images for the smae slide, by cropping, and printing on Cibachrome. Folks then called it photo mining. Also, since I do not, and probably never will, own a 1,000 mm lens, I sometimes have a need to "crop the hell" out of my images. As long as the image doesn't fall apart, ther is nothing wrong with that. -- PeterN |
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PeterN wrote:
And with a 24m pixel camera, I can crop the **** out of it and still end up with an HD photo. My first camera was 1.8mp. So, basically, what you are saying is that because technology has moved on it is OK to be lazy and that to be a half decent photographer you do not now need to know how to TAKE a photograph, only to how to manipulate one. Hmmm... Your suggestion that you need to use a ZOOM lens to compose a shot is wrong! Zoom lens were NOT invented to compose shots, but simply for the convenience of not changing lenses. Zooms alter the scene perspective. Any pro will tell you that, it's in all my books. The proper way to compose is to move your position. A zoom (or tele) lens is the proper tool for the job if you need to compose for a distant subject up close, not the crop the hell out of it to try and get the same image. There is no question that we should try to get it right in the camera. People need to put the ideological whimsy aside, and understand what it means to "get it right in the camera". Since *all* images are manipulated both before and after the actual exposure is made, the idea that "in the camera" should reference a finished product is simply absurd. To "get it right" means that the camera captures and produces a data set that can be best manipulated with external "post processing" to produce the photograph that was previsualized before the shutter was released. That finished photograph is *never* going to be the best one possible without post processing external to the camera. Camera's are great tools, but fabulous photo processing machines they are not. However, since it is not a perfect world, that goal is not always achieved. Here is a link to a serious crop. the original image wsas taken at the closest distance my equipment would allow. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/1%20Needs%20A%20Shower.jpg Yes I did some PS. Not post processing means accepting less than the best product. As you say, the world is not perfect, and sometimes that is a necessary workflow. But there is no reason why your or I would want to avoid trying to get the best we can... -- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
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A blurry photo
In article , David Taylor
wrote: why not go back to glass plates, where you *really* had to think about each photo. Perhaps that's why using an iPad to take photos can help your composition.... it can take photos fairly fast, so no. |
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On 11/7/2013 11:25 AM, Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
PeterN wrote: And with a 24m pixel camera, I can crop the **** out of it and still end up with an HD photo. My first camera was 1.8mp. So, basically, what you are saying is that because technology has moved on it is OK to be lazy and that to be a half decent photographer you do not now need to know how to TAKE a photograph, only to how to manipulate one. Hmmm... Your suggestion that you need to use a ZOOM lens to compose a shot is wrong! Zoom lens were NOT invented to compose shots, but simply for the convenience of not changing lenses. Zooms alter the scene perspective. Any pro will tell you that, it's in all my books. The proper way to compose is to move your position. A zoom (or tele) lens is the proper tool for the job if you need to compose for a distant subject up close, not the crop the hell out of it to try and get the same image. There is no question that we should try to get it right in the camera. People need to put the ideological whimsy aside, and understand what it means to "get it right in the camera". Since *all* images are manipulated both before and after the actual exposure is made, the idea that "in the camera" should reference a finished product is simply absurd. Agreed. To "get it right" means that the camera captures and produces a data set that can be best manipulated with external "post processing" to produce the photograph that was previsualized before the shutter was released. That finished photograph is *never* going to be the best one possible without post processing external to the camera. Camera's are great tools, but fabulous photo processing machines they are not. Yup! However, since it is not a perfect world, that goal is not always achieved. Here is a link to a serious crop. the original image wsas taken at the closest distance my equipment would allow. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/1%20Needs%20A%20Shower.jpg Yes I did some PS. Not post processing means accepting less than the best product. As you say, the world is not perfect, and sometimes that is a necessary workflow. But there is no reason why your or I would want to avoid trying to get the best we can... -- PeterN |
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