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Old May 31st 13, 12:28 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
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http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05...ff-photo-staff

Short sighted, and stupid.
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Old May 31st 13, 07:52 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
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On Fri, 31 May 2013 05:08:34 -0700 (PDT), Noons
wrote:

On May 31, 9:28*pm, Bowser wrote:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05...es-lays-off-ph...

Short sighted, and stupid.


buying "pro" equipment in the hope of looking like one? Indeed...


Exactly. Sort of like all those utter fools who ask their friend who
owns a DSLR to shoot their wedding.

Hint: you want quality pix, hire a pro.
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Old June 1st 13, 12:30 AM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
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On Fri, 31 May 2013 07:28:14 -0400, Bowser wrote:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05...ff-photo-staff

Short sighted, and stupid.


" Newspapers that see photo departments as service organizations -
meaning pictures are an accompaniment to a story, versus something
that stands on its own - see that service as something that can be
provided by anyone."

I've noticed an increasing tendency for stories to be accompanied by
images which have little to directly do with the story. If the story
is about a car accident, there will be a photograph of a smashed car
but probably not the car in the accident. If the story is about the
accident blocking the freeway, all you need is a photograph of a
blocked freeway. Any freeway will do. If the story is about a fire,
all you need is a stock photo of a fire appliance.

Who needs photographers? You can do it all with an Internet search.
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Eric Stevens
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Old June 1st 13, 05:23 AM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Michael[_6_]
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On 2013-05-31 11:28:14 +0000, Bowser said:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05...ff-photo-staff

Short sighted, and stupid.


You don't have to be a reader of Dilbert to recognize the systemic and
generalized incompetence of management in so many industries and
businesses. Those who can, do. Those who cannot do, manage. And those
who cannot manage, are the CEOs.
--
Michael

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Old June 1st 13, 05:45 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
Alan Browne
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On 2013.05.31 07:28 , Bowser wrote:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05...ff-photo-staff

Short sighted, and stupid.


The Chicago Tribune has been in financial straights over the last 10+
years and have dropped writers, editors, columnists, office staff, etc.

Some newspapers have set up strong paywalls (The WSJ) and others weaker
paywalls (NYT).

Many (Chicago Trib and sister LA Times) have not gone there (The LA
Times puts up obstacles and entreaties to pay for "featured" content,
but this "pay bump" is easily driven over.

So newsies rely on advertising. (I don't block ads on news sites - I do
block flash). I visit the C.Trib site a couple times per week for a
dose of political scandal, murder and mayhem.

Since video and photos are available from myriad sources in near real
time, "papers" don't have as much need for staff photographers. Photo
quality is not as important as having the real time photo feed (or stock
photos).

That may suck but then so did being a buggy-horse motivator
manufacturing specialist.

--
"A Canadian is someone who knows how to have sex in a canoe."
-Pierre Berton
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Old June 1st 13, 06:07 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
J. Clarke[_2_]
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In article ,
says...

On 2013.05.31 07:28 , Bowser wrote:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05...ff-photo-staff

Short sighted, and stupid.


The Chicago Tribune has been in financial straights over the last 10+
years and have dropped writers, editors, columnists, office staff, etc.

Some newspapers have set up strong paywalls (The WSJ) and others weaker
paywalls (NYT).

Many (Chicago Trib and sister LA Times) have not gone there (The LA
Times puts up obstacles and entreaties to pay for "featured" content,
but this "pay bump" is easily driven over.

So newsies rely on advertising. (I don't block ads on news sites - I do
block flash). I visit the C.Trib site a couple times per week for a
dose of political scandal, murder and mayhem.

Since video and photos are available from myriad sources in near real
time, "papers" don't have as much need for staff photographers. Photo
quality is not as important as having the real time photo feed (or stock
photos).

That may suck but then so did being a buggy-horse motivator
manufacturing specialist.


Actually, after the shakeup broguht on by a decline in the number of
unmotivated buggy-horses, the the buggy-horse motivator manufacturing
specialists retrenched and are doing fine. In addition to the original
use their products, which is admittedly a limited niche, their products
also have significant markets as sexual accessories and as cat toys.
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Old June 1st 13, 06:42 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
Alan Browne
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On 2013.06.01 13:31 , Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 12:45:41 -0400, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2013.05.31 07:28 , Bowser wrote:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05...ff-photo-staff

Short sighted, and stupid.


The Chicago Tribune has been in financial straights over the last 10+
years and have dropped writers, editors, columnists, office staff, etc.

Some newspapers have set up strong paywalls (The WSJ) and others weaker
paywalls (NYT).

Many (Chicago Trib and sister LA Times) have not gone there (The LA
Times puts up obstacles and entreaties to pay for "featured" content,
but this "pay bump" is easily driven over.

So newsies rely on advertising. (I don't block ads on news sites - I do
block flash). I visit the C.Trib site a couple times per week for a
dose of political scandal, murder and mayhem.

Since video and photos are available from myriad sources in near real
time, "papers" don't have as much need for staff photographers. Photo
quality is not as important as having the real time photo feed (or stock
photos).

That may suck but then so did being a buggy-horse motivator
manufacturing specialist.


The Tribune Company (a former employer of yours truly) also owns the
Orlando Sentinel. The Sentinel has deteriorated over the past few
years, but the parent company has been in bankruptcy and many of the
changes have been forced.

Back in the 60s, the Trib and the other Chicago newspapers used City
News Bureau to gather local information to supplement the reporters
employed by the Trib. I've been out of the loop (pun intended) for
years, so I don't know if that's still the case.

City News has an interesting history. Kurt Vonnegut worked for them
at one time. It was City News that provided the reporting for the St
Valentine's Day Massacre. Charles MacArthur, co-author of the play
"The Front Page" based the story on his work at City News. Other
former City News employees were Mike Royko (later a columnist for the
Sun Times and the Trib), Seymour Hersh, David Horowitz and editorial
cartoonist Herb Block (aka: Herblock).

The image of the intrepid newspaper of the reporter in the pork-pie
hat with a PRESS card in his hatband was really based on City News,
not the newspapers.

I was offered at job at City News, but turned it down. They paid less
than the Trib, and the Trib paid peanuts. I knew some City News news
gatherers. Every morning, when they reported to the office, they were
given $2.00 in quarters for bus fare. Bus fare had to be accounted
for, and any extra quarters had to be returned at end of day.

The Trib paid us $5.00 a month in "shoe leather allowance". Trib
management had a thing about run-down heels and unshined shoes.


And what did you do there?


--
"A Canadian is someone who knows how to have sex in a canoe."
-Pierre Berton
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Old June 1st 13, 11:52 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
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On Fri, 31 May 2013 05:08:34 -0700 (PDT), Noons wrote:
: On May 31, 9:28*pm, Bowser wrote:
: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05...es-lays-off-ph...
:
: Short sighted, and stupid.
:
: buying "pro" equipment in the hope of looking like one? Indeed...

Is that what they're telling their "freelancers" to do? I looked for it in the
DPR article, but didn't find it.

I'm looking forward to seeing how their new video emphasis plays out in print.
Will it be of those arrangements where you riffle the edges of a stack of
pages, and the pictures thereon appear to move?

Too bad I don't live in Chicago. As a "freelancer", I could declare myself a
photojournalist, with a considerable increase in prestige and (hypothetical)
remuneration. (Stop laughing; it's not so far-fetched. I take pictures that
find their way into a newspaper now and then.)

I have a cousin, a retired journalist, who does live in Chicago. He was a
reporter and editorial writer for the Sun-Times, but quit when Rupert Murdoch
bought the paper, and went to work for the University of Illinois. I guess he
won't be surprised by how things have played out.

The one positive thing that can be said for what the S-T is doing is that the
reproduction quality of photographs in most newspapers is so awful that it's
not that easy to tell the work of a professional from that of a clueless
newbie.

Bob
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Old June 2nd 13, 12:23 AM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
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In article , Robert Coe
wrote:

: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05...es-lays-off-ph...
:
: Short sighted, and stupid.
:
: buying "pro" equipment in the hope of looking like one? Indeed...

Is that what they're telling their "freelancers" to do? I looked for it in the
DPR article, but didn't find it.

I'm looking forward to seeing how their new video emphasis plays out in print.
Will it be of those arrangements where you riffle the edges of a stack of
pages, and the pictures thereon appear to move?


print is on its way out. people get their news online now for free,
including both stills and video.

it's also very difficult to monetize online news, although some do try
with varying success.

Too bad I don't live in Chicago. As a "freelancer", I could declare myself a
photojournalist, with a considerable increase in prestige and (hypothetical)
remuneration. (Stop laughing; it's not so far-fetched. I take pictures that
find their way into a newspaper now and then.)

I have a cousin, a retired journalist, who does live in Chicago. He was a
reporter and editorial writer for the Sun-Times, but quit when Rupert Murdoch
bought the paper, and went to work for the University of Illinois. I guess he
won't be surprised by how things have played out.

The one positive thing that can be said for what the S-T is doing is that the
reproduction quality of photographs in most newspapers is so awful that it's
not that easy to tell the work of a professional from that of a clueless
newbie.


and that's why they fired their photographers.

why pay pros when you have ordinary people already on the scene who
upload photos for free, and well before any pro can even get there, let
alone get a photo?
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Old June 2nd 13, 02:27 AM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
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On 6/1/2013 7:23 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Robert Coe
wrote:

: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05...es-lays-off-ph...
:
: Short sighted, and stupid.
:
: buying "pro" equipment in the hope of looking like one? Indeed...

Is that what they're telling their "freelancers" to do? I looked for it in the
DPR article, but didn't find it.

I'm looking forward to seeing how their new video emphasis plays out in print.
Will it be of those arrangements where you riffle the edges of a stack of
pages, and the pictures thereon appear to move?


print is on its way out. people get their news online now for free,
including both stills and video.

it's also very difficult to monetize online news, although some do try
with varying success.


i PAY for my digital online subscriptions, at least the ones I read
regularly. So do most of my friends. We have an old fashioned philosophy
that if you use something, you ought to pay for it.




--
PeterN
 




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