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Old August 13th 13, 08:32 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Tony Cooper
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Last night I attempted to ask the Competition Chair the questions that
have been posed here. She was extremely busy with other things, and
referred me to Jim. It turns out Jim is the hands-on guy who
coordinates things and operates the projector.

ppi - I asked him if images would display better at a higher ppi and
why 72 was specified.

He said that a higher ppi would not result in a better image on the
screen, and that it really wouldn't make a difference to the viewer if
someone sent in images using a higher number. However, he said, if he
didn't specify some number, people would ask what number to use for
their images. Since images are due by midnight on the Monday prior to
Competition night, he'd get a flood of emails Monday evening asking
what number to use.


that's the lamest excuse ever.

So, it's not a silly inclusion in the rules. It's there for a reason,
and the reason is to make his job easier and provide a guide for
people who want a guide.


that's a really dumb reason. he tells people to use a meaningless tag
because he doesn't want email???

instead of saying '72 dpi', he should say 'ignore the ppi tag, it
doesn't matter what it is. whatever it's set to by your software is
fine'.

the end result is the same but people might learn something.

Color management - We use a Canon projector, and it is color managed
about four times a year. A photo is provided to show how far the
projector is from the screen.


by whom and how is it done?

The individual judges may or may not have color managed monitors.


then they shouldn't be complaining about colour differences.

Since the judges are different each month, and this is a volunteer
effort, the club can't demand what each judge does. He can't require
that the monitor be color managed or that sRGB is used. Since they
are all pros or very experienced amateurs, he has to assume that most
do color manage their monitors.


fair assumption, but you said they frequently comment on the colour
being different. if they're not profiled, then that's why.
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Old August 13th 13, 10:26 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Tony Cooper
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He said that a higher ppi would not result in a better image on the
screen, and that it really wouldn't make a difference to the viewer if
someone sent in images using a higher number. However, he said, if he
didn't specify some number, people would ask what number to use for
their images. Since images are due by midnight on the Monday prior to
Competition night, he'd get a flood of emails Monday evening asking
what number to use.


that's the lamest excuse ever.

So, it's not a silly inclusion in the rules. It's there for a reason,
and the reason is to make his job easier and provide a guide for
people who want a guide.


that's a really dumb reason. he tells people to use a meaningless tag
because he doesn't want email???

instead of saying '72 dpi', he should say 'ignore the ppi tag, it
doesn't matter what it is. whatever it's set to by your software is
fine'.


There's little wonder that you have difficulty in dealing with people
or getting respect from people. Your position is to blow them off.

Where have you ever seen a set of rules written that way? First of
all, it brings attention to the ppi setting without providing
information. Second, it's a dismissive instruction, and people don't
respond well to dismissiveness.

His version gives people who think they need to determine a ppi
setting a number. People who know that the ppi setting is immaterial
are going to ignore the instruction anyway.


so you're advocating ignoring the rules? didn't you say you had ethics
when i said rules are made to be broken? now you say to go right ahead
and break them. how funny.

anyway, he is misleading people because he's lazy.

it's just as easy to say 'the tag doesn't matter' as it is to say 'set
it to 72', and the advantage of that is that people will learn
something.

the end result is the same but people might learn something.


His function is not to teach people anything. His function is to
facilitate the input of the photographs and the output to the judges.
While people can submit images ahead of time, they normally wait until
the last day or the last minute. Of a 100 images, you can pretty well
guess that a large percentage of them come in between dinner time
Monday and midnight. That's human nature. People wait to see if they
come up with a better image or wait until they've done the best job
they can in post.


procrastination has nothing to do with proper instructions. people are
going to procrastinate no matter what.

The individual judges may or may not have color managed monitors.


then they shouldn't be complaining about colour differences.


What's this "shouldn't be"? Competition night is the first time
they've seen an image on the large screen. It's natural to comment if
it seems different than what they saw at home.


it 'shouldn't be' because the answer is staring them in the face. their
monitors aren't calibrated. the colours are going to look different.

if they wanted them to not look different, they could calibrate it.
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Old August 13th 13, 10:35 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Tony Cooper
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I said that I submit my images at 1400 on the longest side and at 72 ppi.


more accurately, you don't submit them at any ppi because they don't
have any. all you do is set the tag to 72.
 




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