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Portrait with 5D + 135 mm f/2
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Alan Browne wrote: Think of what's her name of "Sex and the City". What a honker of a nose! And quite the ugly lump near her mouth. Yet a very pretty lady. I never notice it on her! On Sara I never would see it- the bubbly persona she has precludes it. I don't watch that show only commercials. -- "As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." - H. L. Mencken, in the Baltimore Sun, July 26, 1920. Reality-Is finding that perfect picture and never looking back. www.gregblankphoto.com |
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Portrait with 5D + 135 mm f/2
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"Skip" wrote: I agree. Temporary blemishes are something I feel free to remove, or permanent ones that the subject has mentioned as being bothersome, or asked to have removed. Moles, freckles, etc. stay for fear of just what you mention. Its a tricky subject one of real value for this group, before putting something that the model would not like perhaps the safe approach is showing two examples to the client and asking which they would prefer, and saying you really like their choice in the decision! -- "As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." - H. L. Mencken, in the Baltimore Sun, July 26, 1920. Reality-Is finding that perfect picture and never looking back. www.gregblankphoto.com |
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Portrait with 5D + 135 mm f/2
Greg "_" wrote:
In article , Alan Browne wrote: Think of what's her name of "Sex and the City". What a honker of a nose! And quite the ugly lump near her mouth. Yet a very pretty lady. I never notice it on her! On Sara I never would see it- the bubbly persona she has precludes it. I don't watch that show only commercials. I watched about 20 minutes of an episode of "Sex and the city" and found it to be one of the most insipid programs ever made. I'll never watch it again. But what's-her-name does have a striking face! Cheers, Akan -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. |
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Skip wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... http://forrestcroce.com/Photos/NallyBW.htmlThe black spot in the middle of her upper lip is begging to be cloned out. Sometimes one should opt for Beauty over Realism. I dunno ... that's a touchy subject. I almost never clone unique features like that out, unless asked. She's seen it in the mirror for 30 years; she'd notice it missing in a photo. And I'm nervous to do anything that could be interpreted as "This makes you unattractive - you would look much better without it." I agree. Temporary blemishes are something I feel free to remove, or Well stated distinction. I have often removed pimples or red-rash from faces in photoshop. Cheers, Alan -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. |
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Alan Browne wrote:
I have often removed pimples or red-rash from faces in photoshop. Perhaps after so much fuss I should explain my original beef with the photo in question: If the photo we all were invited to view was intended as a "portrait" done FOR a particular person, I agree that person's characteristic features should be respected. OTOH, the photo was presented in this newsgroup in "look at what my lens can do" fashion, and thus seemed to ask to be judged on its own merit as a generalized work of work, not as a documentary depiction of a particular person. My reaction on first seeing the photo was that the blemish was an eye-stopping distraction in a photo which deserved some cosmetic enhancement. The photographer saw a particular woman, I saw "Woman" with a capital W. My philosophy is that we should strive to create images more than merely record reality... otherwise we are all copyists rather than artists. Hope I haven't dug myself further into this hole :^) -- Anti-Spam address: my last name at his dot com Charles Gillen -- Reston, Virginia, USA |
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Portrait with 5D + 135 mm f/2
Charles Gillen wrote:
Alan Browne wrote: I have often removed pimples or red-rash from faces in photoshop. Perhaps after so much fuss I should explain my original beef with the photo in question: If the photo we all were invited to view was intended as a "portrait" done FOR a particular person, I agree that person's characteristic features should be respected. OTOH, the photo was presented in this newsgroup in "look at what my lens can do" fashion, and thus seemed to ask to be judged on its own merit as a generalized work of work, not as a documentary depiction of a particular person. My reaction on first seeing the photo was that the blemish was an eye-stopping distraction in a photo which deserved some cosmetic enhancement. The photographer saw a particular woman, I saw "Woman" with a capital W. My philosophy is that we should strive to create images more than merely record reality... otherwise we are all copyists rather than artists. Hope I haven't dug myself further into this hole :^) He "created that image" most likely to capture a *person*, which is what most portraits are. Each person includes characteristics that make them unique. As soon as you start removing permanent, unique characteristics, you reduce all your models to some preconceived "norm." Once you start down that path, you've cheapened your subjects in the same way an antique chest is cheapened when you sand and repaint it. If you want a "product" then go ahead and airbrush ever curve and remove every double chin. But if you want a portrait, then I hope you's want to preserve the person. -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
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Portrait with 5D + 135 mm f/2
Charles Gillen wrote:
Alan Browne wrote: I have often removed pimples or red-rash from faces in photoshop. Perhaps after so much fuss I should explain my original beef with the photo in question: If the photo we all were invited to view was intended as a "portrait" done FOR a particular person, I agree that person's characteristic features should be respected. OTOH, the photo was presented in this newsgroup in "look at what my lens can do" fashion, and thus seemed to ask to be judged on its own merit as a generalized work of work, not as a documentary depiction of a particular person. My reaction on first seeing the photo was that the blemish was an eye-stopping distraction in a photo which deserved some cosmetic enhancement. The photographer saw a particular woman, I saw "Woman" with a capital W. My philosophy is that we should strive to create images more than merely record reality... otherwise we are all copyists rather than artists. Hope I haven't dug myself further into this hole :^) I'll throw in a ladder. Occasionally I see images of women where the very fine hair on their cheeks is visible, the very grain (if you will) of their skin shows, very real and astonishingly beautiful. Then I see images that have been photoshopped to death and the women have plastic looking, ugly skin. "For a person" means making a pleasing (usually) image of them. The image referenced is quite beautiful. Not a formal portrait, more spontaneous in look. Unless she asked for it to be removed I wouldn't touch it. I suspect that the subject would never even think of such a thing. People know what their "permanent" blemishes are. They are part of their makeup and they won't be offended by them. (If they weere they'd have them removed). We're talking "portraits" here, not advertisements in Vanity Fair. There it is all "image" and to believe that those ladies are consistently as perfect as presented is proof of dreams and the success of illusion. Cheers, Alan -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. |
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Portrait with 5D + 135 mm f/2
Skip wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... http://forrestcroce.com/Photos/NallyBW.htmlThe black spot in the middle of her upper lip is begging to be cloned out. Sometimes one should opt for Beauty over Realism. I dunno ... that's a touchy subject. I almost never clone unique features like that out, unless asked. She's seen it in the mirror for 30 years; she'd notice it missing in a photo. And I'm nervous to do anything that could be interpreted as "This makes you unattractive - you would look much better without it." I agree. Temporary blemishes are something I feel free to remove, or permanent ones that the subject has mentioned as being bothersome, or asked to have removed. Moles, freckles, etc. stay for fear of just what you mention. It hasn't slowed Cindy Crawford in any way. If the model asks me that's another thing. |
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Portrait with 5D + 135 mm f/2
I also particularly liked this one:
http://forrestcroce.com/Photos/LesliWithHummingbirdMoth.html How big a burst did you have to shoot to get that one? That was a "hail mary pass." A burst of two, and both of them by manual focus - a few dozen hummingbird moths were having a go at all the dandelions in a clearing, I'd been trying to track them and having no luck with AF, and given up on it by the time I heard my name, turned around, and saw a once in a lifetime opportunity. Well, I hope I'm wrong on that last bit. |
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