Nikon D70 issues/questions Vs. Canon

"Tony Polson" wrote in message
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John A. Stovall wrote:

Others are already asking that question as to why both Zeiss and Leica
don't do that.


Leica had discussions with both Canon and Nikon within the last two
years.


My credit cards are cringing...

--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com

Tony Polson wrote:

"Skip M" wrote:

"William Graham" wrote in message

Porsche owns over 18% of VW now.....


Not exactly. There is a common family ownership of Porsche, Audi and VW.



William is exactly right. Porsche owns 18.4% of VW and intends to
increase that stake to 19.9%

There is no common family ownership of Porsche, Audi and VW. The
Piech and Porsche families are related, so there is a family
relationship between the respective management teams, but VAG
(VW-Audi) is majority owned by the government of the German states in
which the main VW manufacturing plants are located.

There is a possibility that more VAG shares may be offered on the
German Stock exchange. Porsche relies on VAG for many components and
the Porsche board wished to secure a significant shareholding in VAG
to ensure that the co-operative relationship between the two companies
would not be diluted by any future sell-off.


I went to Wolfsburg few years back and visited the Autostadt, a theme
park next to the main VW factory. It features VW group brands: VW, Audi,
Skoda, Seat, Lamborghini and possibly something else I'm forgetting.

"DD (Rox)" wrote in message
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In article CiF3f.1650$UF4.1597@fed1read02, "Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest
even number says...


Well, it was hard to tell that you meant the 28-135, since it is
hardly "crappy," either. It's a good lens, and a good match for
the 5D, too. Dallas, it's nice you discovered your mistake in time
to tell all the world about how bad Canon's equipment is. Now is
about time to take a break, because you are starting to sound like
StevieG/George Preddy. No Canon mention can go unremarked upon by
you and your vitriol are sadly misplaced. I've enjoyed some of the
interplay with you, but your inferences about the people who are
buying the 5D are probably wide of the mark, and not appreciated.

Dallas and I called a truce some time back...and then enjoyed
playful banter.
But he's not entered into full Troll mode, and it's becoming
tiresome. -Nearly plonked him a couple days ago...

Oops!
That SHOULD have said, "He's NOW entered into full Troll Mode!!!!!"


Yeah, I made that translation/transition! ;-) And I agree, he's not
even maintaining the level of objectivity that Douglas has.

Even Dallas says he's no longer objective.
-Go figure what he hoped to accomplish by announcing that...
?
-It does simplify the formation of opinions regarding his posts, though...


Funny how you Canon guys get upset to the point of plonking when someone
disses your precious brand.

It's because no one disses any other brand, except Sigma, to the extent that
Canon gets dissed. It is unreasonable to expect Canon owners to react
otherwise. The product is not deserving of such vitriol as you throw at it.

I couldn't care if you do, but it certainly won't stop me from telling
it like it is.

If you really told it like it was/is, then there wouldn't be a problem.

BTW, Skip, that 28-135mm lens is only good for amateurs who don't know
any better. Hardly something I would recommend to someone who is serious
about photography.

That would be your opinion, now wouldn't it, Dallas? That's certainly not
mine. There's nothing in either Canon's or Nikon's line that exceeds it, or
at least there wasn't until the 24-105 f4L IS came out. I have the lens,
and, yes, it's build quality ain't all that hot, but optically, it more than
holds its own. And certainly doesn't deserve to be called a "crappy kit
lens." Nor does the 28-105 f3.5-4.5, if that was the other lens to which
you referred.

And Mark, if dissing Canon is called trolling in your book, what's Bret
guilty of everytime he disses Nikon?

He's doing that in an oddly lighthearted way, a manner which you seem to
have lost touch.

--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com

"DD (Rox)" wrote in message
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For many, the 5D doesn't offer enough of an advantage over the 20D to
justify the price, for others, it does. Even though the resolution is a
bigger jump over the 20D than the 20D was over the 10D, it is being seen
that much of that improvement is lost in the lenses, in the real world,
not
in the lab. Many others feel that the 10-22 EF-S mount lens combined
with
the 17-85 IS gives enough wide angle and a good carrying around lens, so
the
full frame sensor is moot. And many don't even know how a spot meter can
be
an advantage (or detriment) so that doesn't affect many 20D owners. They
like the apparent reach that they get with the 1.6x sensor and feel that
the
5fps is an advantage over 3fps. The 5D wasn't built with these people in
mind.
Some of us don't feel that way, though. Some of us want wide and
superwide
fixed focal length lenses, not available for the 20D, some of us want WA
zooms that are faster than f3.5, others missed the spot meter from their
film cameras, or appreciate the heft of the 5D.


"Heft"??? It isn't built well enough to qualify in the heft department,
Skip.


Stuff it, Dallas, you now clearly indicate that you have absolutely no idea
of what you're talking about. You have dropped to full on idiot mode. The
5D is a very well built camera, compared to any of the modern AF bodes on
the market. The one weakness is Canon's standard CF card door. That's it.
It is a hefty camera, compared to the 20D, which is what I said.
Dallas, I'm sorry, but you are not helping your own credibility.

--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com

In article JvH3f.5830$MN6.2949@fed1read04, Richard H.
wrote:

This is an odd trend; I wonder about the cause and effect with dentists
and photography. :-) Locally, there's known to be a large Internet porn
company that's owned by (you guessed it) - two dentists. No knowing if
they shoot their own pics, but I'd bet so.

I think the same aspect of the personality (fascination with mechanical
things?) that leads them to dentistry tends to make them hardware
junkies. My GP doesn't have much more than a scale and a stethoscope in
his office; my dentist has a computerized 3D X-ray machine and an NC
milling machine to make replacement teeth.

Another dentist I know collects 1958 Cadillacs; has over a dozen of
'em. So it's probably no suprise they're camera collectors; the odd
thing was that they all seemed to be into Nikon instead of Leica.

Scott Schuckert wrote:
In article JvH3f.5830$MN6.2949@fed1read04, Richard H.
wrote:


This is an odd trend; I wonder about the cause and effect with dentists
and photography. :-) Locally, there's known to be a large Internet porn
company that's owned by (you guessed it) - two dentists. No knowing if
they shoot their own pics, but I'd bet so.


I think the same aspect of the personality (fascination with mechanical
things?) that leads them to dentistry tends to make them hardware
junkies. My GP doesn't have much more than a scale and a stethoscope in
his office; my dentist has a computerized 3D X-ray machine and an NC
milling machine to make replacement teeth.

Another dentist I know collects 1958 Cadillacs; has over a dozen of
'em. So it's probably no suprise they're camera collectors; the odd
thing was that they all seemed to be into Nikon instead of Leica.

Maybe they're into Nikon because they're actually using it ;-)

"Skip M" wrote:

"Tony Polson" wrote in message
.. .
John A. Stovall wrote:

Others are already asking that question as to why both Zeiss and Leica
don't do that.


Leica had discussions with both Canon and Nikon within the last two
years.


My credit cards are cringing...


Leica obviously decided not to take this route, so your credit cards
are safe.

For now.

;-)

Paul Bielec wrote:

I went to Wolfsburg few years back and visited the Autostadt, a theme
park next to the main VW factory. It features VW group brands: VW, Audi,
Skoda, Seat, Lamborghini and possibly something else I'm forgetting.


Bentley and Bugatti.

Tony Polson wrote:
Paul Bielec wrote:

I went to Wolfsburg few years back and visited the Autostadt, a theme
park next to the main VW factory. It features VW group brands: VW, Audi,
Skoda, Seat, Lamborghini and possibly something else I'm forgetting.



Bentley and Bugatti.


You're right. I knew that I was forgetting a british brand.

Paul Bielec wrote:

Tony Polson wrote:
Paul Bielec wrote:

I went to Wolfsburg few years back and visited the Autostadt, a theme
park next to the main VW factory. It features VW group brands: VW, Audi,
Skoda, Seat, Lamborghini and possibly something else I'm forgetting.



Bentley and Bugatti.


You're right. I knew that I was forgetting a british brand.


Plus a French brand.

;-)