economy in developing paper

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Owow.!!
Thanks richrd for the recipes!
what a work!!
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Non è bello cio che è bello figuriamoci cio che è brutto!

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Owow.!!
Thanks richrd for the recipes!
what a work!!
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Non è bello cio che è bello figuriamoci cio che è brutto!

Ah, però! Nick Zentena ha scritto due cosette forse interessanti...
Just buying the big package will save you alot more money
usually.


yes it's right...
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Non è bello cio che è bello figuriamoci cio che è brutto!

Ah, però! Nick Zentena ha scritto due cosette forse interessanti...
Just buying the big package will save you alot more money
usually.


yes it's right...
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Non è bello cio che è bello figuriamoci cio che è brutto!

Ah, però! Richard Knoppow ha scritto due cosette forse interessanti...
There may or may not be any advantage to mixing your own
stuff but a relatively small collection of chemicals will
allow you to experiment with many variations of developers
as well as making fixng baths and all sorts of toners. Not
very many toners are available in packaged form any more so
there often isn't much choice but to make your own. The
other reason is that its fun to do and you can amaze your
friends by showing them your scientific chemistry lab.
Have fun:-)


YO!
next time is to find the making for massive fixing baths...

But seems so good to have fun with friends,.Usually when I make fine
prints I want to be alone. But when friends ask me for a small help in
my small lab I ask for payment: sixpacks of neers

BTW thank a lot for your massive writing. I'm saving all your data.

Only a question:
many people says that most of this raw chemicals are almost inexpensive.
That's not true for everithing. Here in Italy sometimes is veru hard to
find some important chemicals (Metol and hydroquinone first) at
affordable price. Sometimes, infact, I feel desperado because of low
cost of many ingredients correspond very high prices for some
ingrdients. The sum is not convenient... sometimes!!

Psst... I0m searching for glycine for friends....



CIao!!
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Non è bello cio che è bello figuriamoci cio che è brutto!

stefano bramato wrote:
ok friends, I always develop in dektol but this is a time that I use a
massive develop soup.
I was searching for more economy developer, I was thinking about agfa
Neutol.
Anyone has tryed this developer (sounds good)?

Any other suggestions for more economy in developer?

lookin for suggestions!!


For the best economy, use a developer that is used for both film and
paper, then you will use it up a little faster, so your not throwing it
away, because the stock is old. Powders tend to be cheaper then premade
solutions, because water is expensive to ship.

You mix a stock solution, then dilute differently for film and paper to
get working strength. Use a 1 shot dilution for film, and toss at the
end of the session for paper. You can often reuse film developer, but
it can be a false economy if a roll is ruined because the developer was
old enough to draw a pension.....

W

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 02:10:18 -0700, "Richard Knoppow"
wrote:

...
Ansco/Agfa 120 Soft Working Paper Developer Stock Solution

Water (at 125F or 52C) 750.0 ml
Metol 12.3 grams
Sodium Sulfite, dessicated 36.0 grams
Sodium Carbonate, monohydrated 36.0 grams
Potassium Bromide 1.8 grams
Water to make 1.0 liter
If Sodium Carbonate, anhydrous is used the amount is 23
grams
For use dilute 1:1 to 1:2
....


oct1304 from Lloyd Erlick,

For me, the major reason to mix my own developers is
that I can vary them and find a specific formulation
that I like for my own work. It is economical to do so
because it's easy to calculate the amounts of
ingredients to mix directly to a working solution, so
there is little waste and no storage of liquid
solutions.

The above formula for Ansco 120 (the D23 of print
developers...) is beautiful for warm tone materials. I
use it for prints on Ilford Warmtone FB (MGW). But my
favorite developer for MGW is a modified Ansco 120. I
like the results of replacing the sodium salts with
potassium (potassium carbonate and sulfite instead of
sodium carbonate and sulfite; sometimes I make a series
of prints this way, and sign them "Potassium Edition".
Future generations of art historians will have to dig
up this post to comprehend my work fully...).

Final results of any print must be judged after
selenium or other toning. MGW becomes very modestly
warm after development, and shows its full warmth after
toning.

I also almost always use more potassium bromide than
specified in the formula - usually two to six grams per
liter of working solution. I prefer to use distilled
water for my developers.

regards,
--le
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:42:56 GMT, stefano bramato
wrote:

...
many people says that most of this raw chemicals are almost inexpensive.
That's not true for everithing. Here in Italy sometimes is veru hard to
find some important chemicals (Metol and hydroquinone first) at
affordable price. Sometimes, infact, I feel desperado because of low
cost of many ingredients correspond very high prices for some
ingrdients. The sum is not convenient... sometimes!!

Psst... I0m searching for glycine for friends....
....


oct1304 from Lloyd Erlick,

The cost of raw chemicals varies hugely. For any given
chemical, it is possible to find suppliers that would
like you to turn over your bank account, and other
suppliers that charge reasonably. Shopping is a must. I
have started a small database of chemicals and
suppliers so I can keep track of my research. Sometimes
a supplier has the best price on one material but not
on others, so one can't necessarily just find a good
source of sodium thiosulfate and then expect to buy
hydroquinone from them.

Also, usually the best price is for the largest
packaging size available, often twenty five kilograms.
Sodium thiosulfate comes in one hundred pound bags in
my neighbourhood. So one has to be ready to store
quantities. (I use the white plastic pails with
airtight lids that restaurants often throw out in the
garbage. They are usually fifteen or twenty liter
pails.)

I think my work has improved since I started mixing my
own materials. The cost benefit has been quite real,
but the improvement in my work is the real reason to do
it.

Glycin is hard to get. Don't be discouraged if you get
stale Glycin (off-color, gray or brown powder. It
should be white or *light* gray.) Just make sure in
advance that your supplier will take it back and refund
your money if the Glycin is not fresh or is actually
not Glycin (another potential problem!)

regards,
--le




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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:42:56 GMT, stefano bramato
wrote:

...
many people says that most of this raw chemicals are almost inexpensive.
That's not true for everithing. Here in Italy sometimes is veru hard to
find some important chemicals (Metol and hydroquinone first) at
affordable price. Sometimes, infact, I feel desperado because of low
cost of many ingredients correspond very high prices for some
ingrdients. The sum is not convenient... sometimes!!

Psst... I0m searching for glycine for friends....
....


oct1304 from Lloyd Erlick,

The cost of raw chemicals varies hugely. For any given
chemical, it is possible to find suppliers that would
like you to turn over your bank account, and other
suppliers that charge reasonably. Shopping is a must. I
have started a small database of chemicals and
suppliers so I can keep track of my research. Sometimes
a supplier has the best price on one material but not
on others, so one can't necessarily just find a good
source of sodium thiosulfate and then expect to buy
hydroquinone from them.

Also, usually the best price is for the largest
packaging size available, often twenty five kilograms.
Sodium thiosulfate comes in one hundred pound bags in
my neighbourhood. So one has to be ready to store
quantities. (I use the white plastic pails with
airtight lids that restaurants often throw out in the
garbage. They are usually fifteen or twenty liter
pails.)

I think my work has improved since I started mixing my
own materials. The cost benefit has been quite real,
but the improvement in my work is the real reason to do
it.

Glycin is hard to get. Don't be discouraged if you get
stale Glycin (off-color, gray or brown powder. It
should be white or *light* gray.) Just make sure in
advance that your supplier will take it back and refund
your money if the Glycin is not fresh or is actually
not Glycin (another potential problem!)

regards,
--le




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stefano bramato wrote:


Only a question:
many people says that most of this raw chemicals are almost inexpensive.
That's not true for everithing. Here in Italy sometimes is veru hard to
find some important chemicals (Metol and hydroquinone first) at
affordable price. Sometimes, infact, I feel desperado because of low
cost of many ingredients correspond very high prices for some
ingrdients. The sum is not convenient... sometimes!!

Psst... I0m searching for glycine for friends....


Many of the expensive things you only need a little of. 500 grams of
Metol will make over 60 litres of stock D-23. That's a fair bit of film. So
you might want to consider mail order. Or if you know somebody flying over
ask them to stick a package in the luggage-)

Nick