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On 21/11/2012 03:30, nospam wrote:
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plus, taking a laptop onboard means you can use it on the plane during
the flight, which is very likely to have wifi.

Not the case on all the flights I have taken recently! No Wi-Fi here,
(yet)!
--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

On 20/11/2012 20:45, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
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No image is ever completely right in the camera. Not to
exhibition-print level. The negative / slide / RAW file is the score,
the print is the performance (Ansel Adams, adapted to include more
capture media).

Perhaps not, but if I don't "do" exhibitions or "prints" are not the end
result, then different criteria can apply.

The in-camera image may then be quite good enough (exposure wise) and
might only need cropping (or rotation) if the taking aspect ratio wasn't
suited to the image, or just a portion of the image is needed.

[Enjoy the music, not study the score or critique the performance.]
--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:18:07 -0800, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

there is also no problem whatsoever with airport security with
laptops.

It's an extra step each time, but no big deal.

you mean taking it out of the bag? that's not always required, but when
it is, it's not a big deal.

A laptop is a PITA.

If I could I would leave it in my main bag where it would go straight
through without any further involvement on my part. As it is, I have
to carry it on for a security check and, at the best, it is a further
complication to my hand baggage.

some places let you leave a laptop in the bag, including the usa for
precheck. otherwise, it takes 10-15 seconds to remove it and put in a
bin.

By that time I've checked in my main baggage. I only have carry-on
luggage.

are you saying you want to put a laptop in checked bags? that's *not*
wise. laptops go in carry-on, as does anything else of value.

It may or may not be wise, but it's what I want to do. If I could do
that it would be a case of out of sight - out of mind until I got to
my destination. The lasat thing I want to do is carry a festoon of
miscellanea around my neck for hours on end.

checked bags can get lost, or worse, stuff can be stolen from them.
they are also tossed around and a laptop really isn't suited to that
type of treatment. the airlines say not to put anything valuable in
there and don't cover much if you do.

So what. That's just their lawyers cop-out
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

Anthony Polson wrote:
Rob wrote:

It was not me to whom I was referring.

But you're the guy who shoots RAW+JPEG, admits to doing very little in
the way of deleting images and regularly needs to buy additional
terabytes of hard disk space to store them all.

How many thousands of "decisive moments" are there?

Such arrogance born of ignorance!

Garry Winogrand, perhaps the successor to HCB who coined
the "decisive moment" concept, left behind a mere
300,000 or so yet to be reviewed and or edited image
when he passed on. Among those were 2,500 not even
developed rolls of film.

Clearly for a person with sufficient talent there are
thousands and thousands of "decisive moments", and not
enough time in one's life to deal with them.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

On 2012-11-21 04:15:28 -0800, (Floyd L. Davidson) said:

Anthony Polson wrote:
Rob wrote:

It was not me to whom I was referring.

But you're the guy who shoots RAW+JPEG, admits to doing very little in
the way of deleting images and regularly needs to buy additional
terabytes of hard disk space to store them all.

How many thousands of "decisive moments" are there?

Such arrogance born of ignorance!

Garry Winogrand, perhaps the successor to HCB who coined
the "decisive moment" concept, left behind a mere
300,000 or so yet to be reviewed and or edited image
when he passed on. Among those were 2,500 not even
developed rolls of film.

Clearly for a person with sufficient talent there are
thousands and thousands of "decisive moments", and not
enough time in one's life to deal with them.

There is some truth in that statement. However, there is a great
difference between a shooter with a talented or well schooled "eye"
collecting a vast catalog of "decisive moments" for posterity, and a
shooter with a desperate "eye" shooting in the hope of finding that
"magnificent accident".

--
Regards,

Savageduck

Savageduck wrote:
On 2012-11-21 04:15:28 -0800, (Floyd L. Davidson) said:

Anthony Polson wrote:
Rob wrote:

It was not me to whom I was referring.

But you're the guy who shoots RAW+JPEG, admits to doing very little in
the way of deleting images and regularly needs to buy additional
terabytes of hard disk space to store them all.

How many thousands of "decisive moments" are there?

Such arrogance born of ignorance!

Garry Winogrand, perhaps the successor to HCB who coined
the "decisive moment" concept, left behind a mere
300,000 or so yet to be reviewed and or edited image
when he passed on. Among those were 2,500 not even
developed rolls of film.

Clearly for a person with sufficient talent there are
thousands and thousands of "decisive moments", and not
enough time in one's life to deal with them.

There is some truth in that statement. However, there is
a great difference between a shooter with a talented or
well schooled "eye" collecting a vast catalog of
"decisive moments" for posterity, and a shooter with a
desperate "eye" shooting in the hope of finding that
"magnificent accident".

Oh, is there?

Or, if there is... is it anything at all the way you are
couching it?

Winogrand is an excellant example, because he made it
very clear that he was *not* expecting every photograph
to be a masterpiece. His intent when shooting was
simply to satisfy his curiosity, not to creat great
photography. He flat said many times in many ways that
he took a picture just to see what it looked like in a
photograph. Good bad or indifferent was never the
point, just seeing it photographed was all there was to
it.

Winogrand didn't collect a vast catalog of decisive
moments, and did not intend to. He collect hundreds of
thousands of "Okay, now I know!" moments.

Consider that what in fact made him a great photographer
was not pre-visualizing, it was not shooting at the
decisive moment, nor anything else like that. I was
simply grabbing a photograph of every thing there was
that was interesting in any way, just to see it in a
photograph... and then *also*, totally as a separate
talent, he was the kind of artist who could look through
hundreds or thousands of images and pick out the ones
that had commercial or artistic value.

Garry Winogrand *was* the "desperate eye" you deride!

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

On 11/21/2012 12:20 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

BTW I didn't realize that the old serial ports were just as fast as
firewire, USB2 and USB3. Thanks for clearing that up.

what in the world does that have to do with anything? and what hard
drives have serial ports? do you just make this **** up?

any other stupid comments?

I was simply responding to your asinine statement, that old hard drives
are as fast as the newer ones.

i never said any such thing. are you trying to outdo tony in twisting
and fabricating things, or is it that you can't read very well?


Here is your comment, in full and in context:

"In article , Rob
wrote:

I'm going to sit down and have a good think about what direction to
take. Have a portable HDD but 60GB HDD which I used about 10 years ago
too slow to download stuff. Took a laptop once. bulky, battery went
flat, bloody airport security problems, now down to an iPad for
communications.

you're just making excuses. your 60g hd is no slower now than it was
when it was new. many laptops are under 3 pounds and can slip into a
jacket pocket. battery life on laptops is anywhere from 5-10 hours,
depending on the laptop and there's always plugging it into the wall or
car. there is also no problem whatsoever with airport security with
laptops."






You are free to go back and read it.

why don't you do that before you say more stupid things.


See above.

BTW what does the "S" in "USB" stand for.

--
Peter
I prefer being referred to as making "stupid" comments, than making
patently false statement deliberately.

On 11/21/2012 4:50 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:18:07 -0800, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

there is also no problem whatsoever with airport security with
laptops.

It's an extra step each time, but no big deal.

you mean taking it out of the bag? that's not always required, but when
it is, it's not a big deal.

A laptop is a PITA.

If I could I would leave it in my main bag where it would go straight
through without any further involvement on my part. As it is, I have
to carry it on for a security check and, at the best, it is a further
complication to my hand baggage.

some places let you leave a laptop in the bag, including the usa for
precheck. otherwise, it takes 10-15 seconds to remove it and put in a
bin.

By that time I've checked in my main baggage. I only have carry-on
luggage.

are you saying you want to put a laptop in checked bags? that's *not*
wise. laptops go in carry-on, as does anything else of value.

It may or may not be wise, but it's what I want to do. If I could do
that it would be a case of out of sight - out of mind until I got to
my destination. The lasat thing I want to do is carry a festoon of
miscellanea around my neck for hours on end.

checked bags can get lost, or worse, stuff can be stolen from them.
they are also tossed around and a laptop really isn't suited to that
type of treatment. the airlines say not to put anything valuable in
there and don't cover much if you do.

So what. That's just their lawyers cop-out


It is also common sense.

--
Peter

On 2012-11-21 07:32:25 -0800, (Floyd L. Davidson) said:

Savageduck wrote:
On 2012-11-21 04:15:28 -0800, (Floyd L. Davidson) said:

Anthony Polson wrote:
Rob wrote:

It was not me to whom I was referring.

But you're the guy who shoots RAW+JPEG, admits to doing very little in
the way of deleting images and regularly needs to buy additional
terabytes of hard disk space to store them all.

How many thousands of "decisive moments" are there?

Such arrogance born of ignorance!

Garry Winogrand, perhaps the successor to HCB who coined
the "decisive moment" concept, left behind a mere
300,000 or so yet to be reviewed and or edited image
when he passed on. Among those were 2,500 not even
developed rolls of film.

Clearly for a person with sufficient talent there are
thousands and thousands of "decisive moments", and not
enough time in one's life to deal with them.

There is some truth in that statement. However, there is
a great difference between a shooter with a talented or
well schooled "eye" collecting a vast catalog of
"decisive moments" for posterity, and a shooter with a
desperate "eye" shooting in the hope of finding that
"magnificent accident".

Oh, is there?

Or, if there is... is it anything at all the way you are
couching it?

Winogrand is an excellant example, because he made it
very clear that he was *not* expecting every photograph
to be a masterpiece. His intent when shooting was
simply to satisfy his curiosity, not to creat great
photography. He flat said many times in many ways that
he took a picture just to see what it looked like in a
photograph. Good bad or indifferent was never the
point, just seeing it photographed was all there was to
it.

An interesting approach. However, he had an "eye" to capture moments
many of us fail to find let alone capture.


Winogrand didn't collect a vast catalog of decisive
moments, and did not intend to. He collect hundreds of
thousands of "Okay, now I know!" moments.

However he had the talent and skills to have many of those hundreds of
thousands of "Okay, now I know" moments transcend his intent to become
something a little bit special.

Consider that what in fact made him a great photographer
was not pre-visualizing, it was not shooting at the
decisive moment, nor anything else like that. I was
simply grabbing a photograph of every thing there was
that was interesting in any way, just to see it in a
photograph... and then *also*, totally as a separate
talent, he was the kind of artist who could look through
hundreds or thousands of images and pick out the ones
that had commercial or artistic value.

....and in that ability to glean the cream from his catalog he had a
critical and knowledgeable "eye". He also had the knowledge that among
the "moments" he captured he had something of artistic and commercial
value worth picking out.

Garry Winogrand *was* the "desperate eye" you deride!

Far from being a "desperate eye" he was a calculating odds player, with
the talent and skills to recognize what he wanted to record and make
the shot. He always had the capability to find the great shot among
those taken to satisfy his need to see a scene as a photograph.




--
Regards,

Savageduck

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

By that time I've checked in my main baggage. I only have carry-on
luggage.

are you saying you want to put a laptop in checked bags? that's *not*
wise. laptops go in carry-on, as does anything else of value.

It may or may not be wise, but it's what I want to do.

not only is it not wise, it's downright stupid.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/business/09road.html?_r=0
But on a recent flight from Albuquerque through Phoenix to Seattle,
Ms. Kemper casually slipped her Apple iPod into a zip pocket in a
suitcase she was checking. When she got to Seattle, the iPod was
gone. Inside her suitcase was one of those notes from the
Transportation Security Administration, saying that a T.S.A.
inspector had opened the bag.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/04...ctor-accused-o
f-stealing.html
A Transportation Security Administration baggage inspector at
Dallas/Fort Worth Airport has been indicted in the theft of Apple
iPads from luggage over eight months.

http://www.securoseal.com/main.php?pg=news&news_id=359&s=324
They both say there are organized rings of thieves, who identify
valuables in your checked luggage by looking at the TSA x-ray
screens, then communicate with baggage handlers by text or cell
phone, telling them exactly what to look for.

If I could do
that it would be a case of out of sight - out of mind until I got to
my destination. The lasat thing I want to do is carry a festoon of
miscellanea around my neck for hours on end.

nobody said you had to carry a festoon of miscellanea around your neck
and who carries a laptop around their neck anyway?

checked bags can get lost, or worse, stuff can be stolen from them.
they are also tossed around and a laptop really isn't suited to that
type of treatment. the airlines say not to put anything valuable in
there and don't cover much if you do.

So what. That's just their lawyers cop-out

it's reality.

if your laptop or other valuables are stolen from checked luggage, you
won't get much compensation. the airline will say 'you shouldn't have
done that' and give you small compensation, likely based on weight of
the bag, not the value of the contents.