Happy election day!

On 11/12/2016 8:18 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Bill W:
I'm sure there's lots of troubling things he *wants* to do, but how,
for instance
One variation that somebody mentioned was the president's power to ban
immigration from designated countries.

It's been done before, it's nothing new.

On 11/16/2016 8:56 AM, PAS wrote:
On 11/11/2016 10:29 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 11/11/2016 8:21 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per nospam:

this is one of the best examples why unions are *bad*.

Without unions, where is the balance of power?

In the extremes, unions want to take all the company's money and not
work at all - and companies want to work us 24-7 with no pay and sell
our carcasses for fertilizer.

Somewhere in the middle, there's a sane balance - but without some
semblance of similar power on either side things get skewed.

For a few years, my #2 daughter and my nephew had the same jobs in the
travel industry.

The daughter got close to minimum wage, no health coverage, no vacation
or sick days. When the workload increased suddenly, everybody had to
just keep working through dinner time and into the night - with no extra
pay and the employer didn't even send in pizza or sandwiches....
everybody simply went hungry.

The nephew made a living wage, had complete medical coverage, had 8
(*eight*) weeks paid vacation, worked eight hours a day... period.

The diff?

The daughter was working in a non-union shop in Philadelphia PA USA.

The nephew was working in a union shop in Germany.

If somebody is going to try to convince me that unions are all bad,
they've got a hard sell.


Some unions have learned, the hard way, to be responsible. In that
there is no magic fountain that spews money just for showing up.
Similarly, employers that value their workers treat the workers like
people. Early this year my daughter became critically ill, she was in
a coma for about two weeks. Her employer was self insured. She
received full salary for the entire time she was sick, (about three
months,) and they covered all of her medical bills. They would not let
her come back to her full duties until they were sure she was fully
recovered. Yes, I know that not not all companies treat their
employees that fairly, but I'm sure her work habits, she regularly
works a 70-75 hour week, and is highly productive had a lot to do with
the way she was treated.
I had some manufacturers as clients, who were non-union. One of them
was in financial trouble. Management made a deal with the employees,
that they all, including the owner, took a cut in pay. If business
came back to certain levels wages would be increased. Business
increased, and the workers wound up making more money. Management was
able to convey that they all worked for the good of the company. If
the company did well, they all benefited. If the company did poorly,
they all had to help the company. It's an idealistic business model
that only works if both management and the workers have a good
relationship, and neither gets piggy.


Like businesses, there are some bad unions. In a sense, they have
simply become a business themselves with the union officers looking to
enrich themselves at the expense of their members. I think all workers,
union or not, have benefited for what unions did many years ago to
improve the pay and working conditions for their members.


Yep!

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PeterN

On 11/16/2016 8:57 AM, PAS wrote:
On 11/12/2016 8:18 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Bill W:
I'm sure there's lots of troubling things he *wants* to do, but how,
for instance
One variation that somebody mentioned was the president's power to ban
immigration from designated countries.

It's been done before, it's nothing new.


That doesn't make it moral.


--
PeterN

Per Tony Cooper:
The deadliest mass shooting by a single gunman - Omar Mateen - was
here in Orlando on June 12, 2016 at the Pulse nightclub. Forty-nine
people were shot to death and 53 people were wounded.

Sorry, I just can't help myself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd8cRvZZv44
--
Pete Cresswell

Per PeterN:
Is it not the
fundamentalists of any religion the radicals were should worry about.

Bingo!.... I think we have a winner....
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Pete Cresswell