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Here are a few thoughts on 'Straight Out of Camera' or SOOC.
http://palleschultz.dk/?p=1096 -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 3/1/2016 11:42 PM, Savageduck wrote:
Here are a few thoughts on 'Straight Out of Camera' or SOOC. http://palleschultz.dk/?p=1096 This notion has always puzzled me. Is not capturing the best rendition of a subject the important part of photography? If so, whether one has to crop irrelevant content, adjust color and tonality or any other manipulation to accomplish that end is just part of the overall process, as is whatever is 'SOOC'. -- Best regards, Neil |
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On 02/03/2016 16:41, Neil wrote:
On 3/1/2016 11:42 PM, Savageduck wrote: Here are a few thoughts on 'Straight Out of Camera' or SOOC. http://palleschultz.dk/?p=1096 This notion has always puzzled me. Is not capturing the best rendition of a subject the important part of photography? If so, whether one has to crop irrelevant content, adjust color and tonality or any other manipulation to accomplish that end is just part of the overall process, as is whatever is 'SOOC'. I go for minimum processing, so try to get the exposure as correct as possible straight from the camera. However, sometimes cropping is needed, and sometimes colour balance adjustments. I have found that using an iPad as a camera can slow you down, forcing you to think a little more about the image you are making, but I still prefer my Moto G3 phone and, of course, my Panasonic GX7 for best results and most flexibility. -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu |
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On 2016-03-02 16:41:29 +0000, Neil said:
On 3/1/2016 11:42 PM, Savageduck wrote: Here are a few thoughts on 'Straight Out of Camera' or SOOC. http://palleschultz.dk/?p=1096 This notion has always puzzled me. Is not capturing the best rendition of a subject the important part of photography? This is one of those questions that can only be given a ‘yes/no’ answer. That can only be based on the intent of the photographer. Some of that intent can be achieved SOOC with specific lens selection and exposure settings. However, consider how simple today’s AE makes it to get good exposure values and no character to the image. Technical perfection does not necessarily make a great or memorable image. If so, whether one has to crop irrelevant content, adjust color and tonality or any other manipulation to accomplish that end is just part of the overall process, as is whatever is 'SOOC'. Much the creative work can be done in post. These days, with the exception of good cropping there is also much that can be done SOOC, but the photographer needs to have a good idea of what they are doing, magnificent accidents don't count. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 2016-03-02 17:10:08 +0000, David Taylor
said: On 02/03/2016 16:41, Neil wrote: On 3/1/2016 11:42 PM, Savageduck wrote: Here are a few thoughts on 'Straight Out of Camera' or SOOC. http://palleschultz.dk/?p=1096 This notion has always puzzled me. Is not capturing the best rendition of a subject the important part of photography? If so, whether one has to crop irrelevant content, adjust color and tonality or any other manipulation to accomplish that end is just part of the overall process, as is whatever is 'SOOC'. I go for minimum processing, so try to get the exposure as correct as possible straight from the camera. However, sometimes cropping is needed, and sometimes colour balance adjustments. I have found that using an iPad as a camera can slow you down, forcing you to think a little more about the image you are making, but I still prefer my Moto G3 phone and, of course, my Panasonic GX7 for best results and most flexibility. An iPad is a bit awkward to use for general photography, but having the large display can certainly help develop composition skills which can be adapted for use with a regular camera system. While some folks produce decent images with phone cameras, for me my iPhone is only a camera of convenience/last resort, and I will always prefer to shoot with a DSLR or my current favorite tool, my Fujifilm X-E2. One of the interesting features that Fuji has is its set of in-camera film emulations and in-camera RAW processing tools. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 3/1/2016 11:42 PM, Savageduck wrote:
Here are a few thoughts on 'Straight Out of Camera' or SOOC. http://palleschultz.dk/?p=1096 Interesting article. When I discuss that concept with someone from the f64 school, they always revert to saying something like: "except for normal darkroom adjustments." No one, has been able to give me a workable definition of the term. e.g. burning in is OK, but cloning makes some purists shudder. Photographic Society of America, PSA, gives an express approval of the use of filters. (except, of course, when specific divisional prohibit such use.) http://www.psa-photo.org/index.php?about-ethical-practices If the Duck wants to set up an exposition where no visible noise is permitted, I am fine with that. In this case, I wonder if the author had some ax to grind. -- PeterN |
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On 3/2/2016 1:14 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 3/1/2016 11:42 PM, Savageduck wrote: Here are a few thoughts on 'Straight Out of Camera' or SOOC. http://palleschultz.dk/?p=1096 Interesting article. When I discuss that concept with someone from the f64 school, they always revert to saying something like: "except for normal darkroom adjustments." No one, has been able to give me a workable definition of the term. e.g. burning in is OK, but cloning makes some purists shudder. Photographic Society of America, PSA, gives an express approval of the use of filters. (except, of course, when specific divisional prohibit such use.) http://www.psa-photo.org/index.php?about-ethical-practices If the Duck wants to set up an exposition where no visible noise is permitted, I am fine with that. In this case, I wonder if the author had some ax to grind. I forgot to add: How many monochrome shots are SOOB. BTW: As an interesting experiment, for those who have the appropriate equipment, set you viewfinder for BW, and shoot RAW. You just might get some neat results. -- PeterN |
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On 3/2/2016 12:41 PM, Savageduck wrote:
snip One of the interesting features that Fuji has is its set of in-camera film emulations and in-camera RAW processing tools. I would be tempted to play with them in the field, and wind up missing the ops. -- PeterN |
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On 2016-03-02 18:14:50 +0000, PeterN said:
On 3/1/2016 11:42 PM, Savageduck wrote: Here are a few thoughts on 'Straight Out of Camera' or SOOC. http://palleschultz.dk/?p=1096 Interesting article. When I discuss that concept with someone from the f64 school, they always revert to saying something like: "except for normal darkroom adjustments." No one, has been able to give me a workable definition of the term. e.g. burning in is OK, but cloning makes some purists shudder. Photographic Society of America, PSA, gives an express approval of the use of filters. (except, of course, when specific divisional prohibit such use.) http://www.psa-photo.org/index.php?about-ethical-practices If the Duck wants to set up an exposition where no visible noise is permitted, I am fine with that. In this case, I wonder if the author had some ax to grind. I think the only ax the author has to grind is spelt out with what he has written; “My point is that, even in analog photography, SOOC is an illusion. There is so much processing going on from choosing film or film simulation to developing, that processing your pictures is an integral part of photography. I just is!” Basically he is calling out all those who assert that “real photography” is, or should be all SOOC. As for your work, I understand that you have embraced digital noise. That doesn’t mean that the way you embrace it is something that I find pleasing, in the way that analog grain can be pleasing. I understand that there are times digital noise is unavoidable, but it can be minimized. You seem to go out of your way to enhance it. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 3/2/2016 1:33 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-03-02 18:14:50 +0000, PeterN said: On 3/1/2016 11:42 PM, Savageduck wrote: Here are a few thoughts on 'Straight Out of Camera' or SOOC. http://palleschultz.dk/?p=1096 Interesting article. When I discuss that concept with someone from the f64 school, they always revert to saying something like: "except for normal darkroom adjustments." No one, has been able to give me a workable definition of the term. e.g. burning in is OK, but cloning makes some purists shudder. Photographic Society of America, PSA, gives an express approval of the use of filters. (except, of course, when specific divisional prohibit such use.) http://www.psa-photo.org/index.php?about-ethical-practices If the Duck wants to set up an exposition where no visible noise is permitted, I am fine with that. In this case, I wonder if the author had some ax to grind. I think the only ax the author has to grind is spelt out with what he has written; “My point is that, even in analog photography, SOOC is an illusion. There is so much processing going on from choosing film or film simulation to developing, that processing your pictures is an integral part of photography. I just is!” Basically he is calling out all those who assert that “real photography” is, or should be all SOOC. As for your work, I understand that you have embraced digital noise. That doesn’t mean that the way you embrace it is something that I find pleasing, in the way that analog grain can be pleasing. I understand that there are times digital noise is unavoidable, but it can be minimized. You seem to go out of your way to enhance it. Nope. Digital noise just doesn't bother me. With apologies to Proctor & Gamble, I may be noise blind. -- PeterN |
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