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Scanners: Epson V700/V750 vs. Nikon 8000/9000
I have researched this in every possible way but have not had hands on
experienced people give their thoughts on this. I.E. One person will boast about the superiority of one device while one will boast about another...but neither have used both or they did not optimize one or the other to get the best out of them. I will be doing primarily medium format 6X7 scanning, but will do 35mm scanning as well. Questions: 1) Are the Epson printers on the same page as the Nikons for either MF/35mm format or is the Nikon superior in the end? 2) How is the Epson V series compared to the 8000 specifically? 3) Howi s the Epson V series compared to the 9000 specifically? 4) What are the "primary" differences between the Nikon 8000 and Nikon 9000 scanners? I don't care about figures, just the print (end result). Thanks for any advice from users of these scanners. |
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Scanners: Epson V700/V750 vs. Nikon 8000/9000
"Progressiveabsolution" wrote: Questions: 1) Are the Epson scanners on the same page as the Nikons for either MF/35mm format or is the Nikon superior in the end? Yep. That's the question. The consensus appears to be that the V700/V750 are getting very close. See the comparison on this page. http://www.terrapinphoto.com/jmdavis/ I'm not sure the Nikon is enough better to justify the money. But if it were my money, I'd save my pennies and get the Nikon. But that's me. (I have the impression that there's some amount of variability in the Epsons. Over the last 5 years, I've seen some people being very happy with various Epson scanners, and others being very unhappy.) 2) How is the Epson V series compared to the 8000 specifically? 3) Howi s the Epson V series compared to the 9000 specifically? 4) What are the "primary" differences between the Nikon 8000 and Nikon 9000 scanners? The 8000 is only available used, and is getting to be a rather old machine. The possibility of problems with an out-of-warranty machine is much higher than I'd be willing to accept. But that's me. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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Scanners: Epson V700/V750 vs. Nikon 8000/9000
On Dec 28, 11:00 pm, "Progressiveabsolution" wrote: I have researched this in every possible way but have not had hands on experienced people give their thoughts on this. I.E. One person will boast about the superiority of one device while one will boast about another...but neither have used both or they did not optimize one or the other to get the best out of them. I will be doing primarily medium format 6X7 scanning, but will do 35mm scanning as well. Questions: 1) Are the Epson printers on the same page as the Nikons for either MF/35mm format or is the Nikon superior in the end? 2) How is the Epson V series compared to the 8000 specifically? 3) Howi s the Epson V series compared to the 9000 specifically? 4) What are the "primary" differences between the Nikon 8000 and Nikon 9000 scanners? I don't care about figures, just the print (end result). Thanks for any advice from users of these scanners. I would say that the Nikon LS9000 is the top of sub $5K desktop scanners, at $2K it is almost a bargain. If you just have 35 & 2 1/4 film, the LS9000 should be your target. That said I have an Epson V700 and for $500 it is a very good buy. At comparable resolution it is as sharp and has better dynamic range than my OLD Nikon LS2000, I have some materials to test the scanner objectively, just need the time. I understand there are some significant advances in 4000 ppi scanners from the 2700ppi variety. If I had a choice and didn't have 4x5 film, I'd go for the LS9000. But if money is a concern you won't be disappointed with the V700 or V750. Tom |
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Scanners: Epson V700/V750 vs. Nikon 8000/9000
Progressiveabsolution wrote:
I have researched this in every possible way but have not had hands on experienced people give their thoughts on this. I.E. One person will boast about the superiority of one device while one will boast about another...but neither have used both or they did not optimize one or the other to get the best out of them. I will be doing primarily medium format 6X7 scanning, but will do 35mm scanning as well. Questions: 1) Are the Epson printers on the same page as the Nikons for either MF/35mm format or is the Nikon superior in the end? 2) How is the Epson V series compared to the 8000 specifically? 3) Howi s the Epson V series compared to the 9000 specifically? 4) What are the "primary" differences between the Nikon 8000 and Nikon 9000 scanners? I don't care about figures, just the print (end result). Thanks for any advice from users of these scanners. Independant reviews are available for most scanners by Googling. |
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Scanners: Epson V700/V750 vs. Nikon 8000/9000
On 28 Dec 2006 20:00:47 -0800, "Progressiveabsolution"
wrote: I have researched this in every possible way but have not had hands on experienced people give their thoughts on this. I.E. One person will boast about the superiority of one device while one will boast about another...but neither have used both or they did not optimize one or the other to get the best out of them. I will be doing primarily medium format 6X7 scanning, but will do 35mm scanning as well. Questions: 1) Are the Epson printers on the same page as the Nikons for either MF/35mm format or is the Nikon superior in the end? 2) How is the Epson V series compared to the 8000 specifically? 3) Howi s the Epson V series compared to the 9000 specifically? 4) What are the "primary" differences between the Nikon 8000 and Nikon 9000 scanners? I don't care about figures, just the print (end result). Thanks for any advice from users of these scanners. If you take your scanning very seriously and can afford the Nikon LS-9000, buy one. You won't regret it -- though lots of folks have "startup pains" with the Nikon scanners. If not, the newest Epsons are surely a great value, and will probably deliver (rough guess) 2/3 the effective resolution of the Nikon. I have a very old Nikon LS-8000 that has served me well. Alas, I've seen some evidence that the LS-9000 is even better. frown rafe b www.terrapinphoto.com |
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Scanners: Epson V700/V750 vs. Nikon 8000/9000
"Raphael Bustin" wrote: I have a very old Nikon LS-8000 that has served me well. Alas, I've seen some evidence that the LS-9000 is even better. frown My frown's bigger than your frown: The LS-9000's almost US$3000 over here. Sigh. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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Scanners: Epson V700/V750 vs. Nikon 8000/9000
The Epson is 99% as good and unlike the Nikon it isn't a one trick pony.
Unless you plan to shoot film for another 5 or 10 years the Nikon is a waste of money. Once you have all of your film scanned it will be a dead one trick pony. The Epson on the other hand can do things other than film so it is a two trick pony that will have use long after your done with film. Unless like I said you plan to shoot film for the next 5 or 10 years. Myself even I was to do that I still wouldn't put out $2000 for a scanner that was less than 1% better than what I could get for $700 or less. ljc "Progressiveabsolution" wrote in message ups.com... I have researched this in every possible way but have not had hands on experienced people give their thoughts on this. I.E. One person will boast about the superiority of one device while one will boast about another...but neither have used both or they did not optimize one or the other to get the best out of them. I will be doing primarily medium format 6X7 scanning, but will do 35mm scanning as well. Questions: 1) Are the Epson printers on the same page as the Nikons for either MF/35mm format or is the Nikon superior in the end? 2) How is the Epson V series compared to the 8000 specifically? 3) Howi s the Epson V series compared to the 9000 specifically? 4) What are the "primary" differences between the Nikon 8000 and Nikon 9000 scanners? I don't care about figures, just the print (end result). Thanks for any advice from users of these scanners. |
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Scanners: Epson V700/V750 vs. Nikon 8000/9000
On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:35:16 -0800, "Little Juice Coupe"
wrote: The Epson is 99% as good and unlike the Nikon it isn't a one trick pony. Unless you plan to shoot film for another 5 or 10 years the Nikon is a waste of money. Once you have all of your film scanned it will be a dead one trick pony. The Epson on the other hand can do things other than film so it is a two trick pony that will have use long after your done with film. Unless like I said you plan to shoot film for the next 5 or 10 years. Myself even I was to do that I still wouldn't put out $2000 for a scanner that was less than 1% better than what I could get for $700 or less. What is your basis for this claim, that that "Epson is 99% as good" as the LS-8000 or LS-9000? I've seen no such evidence, and some counter-evidence. But if you or anyone else would like to submit a worthy scan snippet from the V750, I'd love to see it. See further info here (info for sample submissions and many scan samples...) www.terrapinphoto.com/jmdavis rafe b www.terrapinphoto.com |
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Scanners: Epson V700/V750 vs. Nikon 8000/9000
Rafe,
Just how much better is the 9000 version than the 8000? The difference between a used 8000 and new 9000 can be as significant as $1000 right now. I have seen 8000's go for $800 and you can get a squaretrade warranty for $60 that gives you 2 years of warranty for it. You can get a 9000 for $1500 (if lucky) on auction. This is quite a significant difference in one sense BUT in another sense, if one is "clearly" better than the other, money should not be an option. It goes for digital cameras. I can clearly see a difference in the level of "authority/presentation" of the Canon 5D over the smaller sensored cameras (maybe it is just my eyes???), so if I can see this clear difference between the 9000 and 8000, it makes no sense having the 8000 (instead of 9000) just like it makes no sense having the 300D/20D/30D/etc. when I can have the 5D. NOW...if we are talking cars, audio, houses, etc. where we are talking thousands of dollars of difference, then I can see a point of diminishing returns OR a settling for something we cannot have since we cannot afford it. But I mean, spending $800 on the V750, then the proper holder for it is no different than spending $800 for a used Nikon 8000 and buying for a bit more, the glass holder...and likewise, making no sense that one would get the 8000 knowing the 9000 is "that much better" and only $800 more...etc...Now if we are talking "that much better" $5000-$15,000 scanner, I wouldn't even bother...it would be a similar ratio of getting a $30K car vs. a $100K one...Would make no sense when I can drive the WRX STI instead of the Porche 911...Both will go about the same speed and do the same thing, but one will look classier/sophisticated. Sooooooo..... Just how much better is the Nikon 9000 than the 8000 for both MF and 35mm film? |
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Scanners: Epson V700/V750 vs. Nikon 8000/9000
On 29 Dec 2006 14:08:31 -0800, "Progressiveabsolution"
wrote: Rafe, Just how much better is the 9000 version than the 8000? The difference between a used 8000 and new 9000 can be as significant as $1000 right now. I have seen 8000's go for $800 and you can get a squaretrade warranty for $60 that gives you 2 years of warranty for it. You can get a 9000 for $1500 (if lucky) on auction. This is quite a significant difference in one sense BUT in another sense, if one is "clearly" better than the other, money should not be an option. It goes for digital cameras. I can clearly see a difference in the level of "authority/presentation" of the Canon 5D over the smaller sensored cameras (maybe it is just my eyes???), so if I can see this clear difference between the 9000 and 8000, it makes no sense having the 8000 (instead of 9000) just like it makes no sense having the 300D/20D/30D/etc. when I can have the 5D. NOW...if we are talking cars, audio, houses, etc. where we are talking thousands of dollars of difference, then I can see a point of diminishing returns OR a settling for something we cannot have since we cannot afford it. But I mean, spending $800 on the V750, then the proper holder for it is no different than spending $800 for a used Nikon 8000 and buying for a bit more, the glass holder...and likewise, making no sense that one would get the 8000 knowing the 9000 is "that much better" and only $800 more...etc...Now if we are talking "that much better" $5000-$15,000 scanner, I wouldn't even bother...it would be a similar ratio of getting a $30K car vs. a $100K one...Would make no sense when I can drive the WRX STI instead of the Porche 911...Both will go about the same speed and do the same thing, but one will look classier/sophisticated. Sooooooo..... Just how much better is the Nikon 9000 than the 8000 for both MF and 35mm film? I can't say for sure, since I don't own the 9000. All I have is a hunch based on the following: a) The sharpest scan samples on my site (at least, from a CCD scanner) are from Max Perl's LS-9000 b) The word of Dane Kosaka, moderator of the LS-8000/9000 yahoo listserv. (Dane owns both, I've known him for a long time, and I take him at his word.) c) The fact that the very sharpest scanner in Jim Hutchison's 2005 "scanner bake-off" was an LS-9000. Jim's results are tabulated he http://www.jamesphotography.ca/bakeoff2005/numbers.html ... which shows the LS-9000 with about 20% better MTF than the closest LS-8000s. rafe b www.terrapinphoto.com |
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