Nikon is backwards

On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 00:13:17 -0000, David B. "David wrote:

On 28/01/2019 23:51, Savageduck wrote:
Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 08:07:48 +0000, "David B." "David
wrote:

On 28/01/2019 01:27, Savageduck wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 01:06:44 -0000, wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 00:19:11 -0000, wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:52:38 -0000, newshound wrote:

On 27/01/2019 22:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.nickcarverphotography.co...-is-backwards/

Now I know it's not just me that's annoyed by this. In fact more than
annoyed, I once BROKE a Nikon camera I'd rented, costing me £200, simply
by trying to attach the lens in the correct clockwise manner. The
rental company was not amused.

Agree with you about the bayonet, but FWIW the Fuji zoom goes the same
way as the Nikon. Clockwise is the positive direction, going out.

Never had a Fuji DSLR, but I won't be buying Fuji since two compact
cameras I bought have nowhere near the MP they claim.

Which compact cameras,

The Finepix S1000FD and the similar one made before that which claimed 6MP.

and you know this how?

By looking at the pictures they produced obviously.

Looking at the pictures they produced will not tell you anything about the
sensor, or its specs.

WTF is the point in them telling me what the sensor can do if the output
image isn't as good as that? I don't care if it's the sensor or the lens
or something else that limits it. I expect an image worthy of the MP it claims.

A more thorough examination of the image files is going to be needed.

Yip, did that. I get about 25% of the MP Fuji quote. Canon gives
100%. Sony gives 80%.

Besides, you are talking about a long defunct camera.

I don't care, they made two cameras that lied about their output. Every
time I've had a Canon, it produced what it said on the tin.


You should check on the capability of the current generation of Fujifilm
mirrorless cameras.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xwwov7yanz74rem/DSF6645R1E3.jpg

I love the image of YOU in his helmet!

Be afraid, Duck, be very afraid...


I have ceased direct communication with that particular individual.

Did you get cross with me just for disclosing that you are now bald?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sj9k2zo0yz...06.06.png?dl=0

Baldness, and excess body hair, are indicative of insufficient evolution..

Or was it something else?

It was 20 years ago yesterday that I had to put my elderly yellow
Labrador to sleep so that I could make arrangements for the funeral of
my son. It was a double whammy - as a dog lover yourself you'll
appreciate that.

I couldn't have done that. I'd have had to find someone to look after the dog. The only time I ever put an animal to sleep was one of my cats which begged me to put him out of his misery. He was 17 years old and gradually lost strength, he started collapsing a lot. When he woke me at 4 in the morning whining like crazy, staring at me, and raising his paw in the air for help, I ended it for him.

Your photographs are of superb quality when viewed on my 27 inch iMac!

Argh! A Mac user!

On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 00:24:24 -0000, David B. "David wrote:

On 28/01/2019 23:49, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 23:15:40 -0000, David B. "David
wrote:

On 28/01/2019 21:37, Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 08:07:48 +0000, "David B." "David
wrote:

On 28/01/2019 01:27, Savageduck wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 01:06:44 -0000, wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 00:19:11 -0000, wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:52:38 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 27/01/2019 22:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.nickcarverphotography.co...-is-backwards/

Now I know it's not just me that's annoyed by this. In fact
more than
annoyed, I once BROKE a Nikon camera I'd rented, costing me
£200, simply
by trying to attach the lens in the correct clockwise
manner. The
rental company was not amused.

Agree with you about the bayonet, but FWIW the Fuji zoom goes
the same
way as the Nikon. Clockwise is the positive direction, going
out.

Never had a Fuji DSLR, but I won't be buying Fuji since two
compact
cameras I bought have nowhere near the MP they claim.

Which compact cameras,

The Finepix S1000FD and the similar one made before that which
claimed 6MP.

and you know this how?

By looking at the pictures they produced obviously.

Looking at the pictures they produced will not tell you anything
about the
sensor, or its specs.

WTF is the point in them telling me what the sensor can do if the
output
image isn't as good as that? I don't care if it's the sensor or
the lens
or something else that limits it. I expect an image worthy of the
MP it claims.

A more thorough examination of the image files is going to be
needed.

Yip, did that. I get about 25% of the MP Fuji quote. Canon gives
100%. Sony gives 80%.

Besides, you are talking about a long defunct camera.

I don't care, they made two cameras that lied about their output..
Every
time I've had a Canon, it produced what it said on the tin.


You should check on the capability of the current generation of
Fujifilm
mirrorless cameras.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xwwov7yanz74rem/DSF6645R1E3.jpg

I love the image of YOU in his helmet!

Be afraid, Duck, be very afraid...

He has nothing to fear from me, I assure you - and him! ;-)

Correct, you strike me as a big cuddly gentleman ;-)

Thank you - a bit TOO big, but losing pounds slowly since I stopped
drinking alcohol on the 21st March last year - the first day of spring!

I dislike avoiding things I enjoy, like alcohol and chocolate. If I need to lose weight, I exercise more or eat less, but the same things.

They tried to make me into a gentleman at BRNC Dartmouth. I only
attended elocution lessons because it meant I could miss a session of
drill on the parade ground! ;-)

Elocution lessons for the Navy ROTFPMSL!

https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/our-org...brnc-dartmouth

I served a full five year apprenticeship as an Artificer before I joined
the college.

Ah so you can fix my car then.

On 29/01/2019 00:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 00:13:17 -0000, David B. "David
wrote:

On 28/01/2019 23:51, Savageduck wrote:
Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 08:07:48 +0000, "David B." "David
wrote:

On 28/01/2019 01:27, Savageduck wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 01:06:44 -0000,* wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 00:19:11 -0000,* wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:52:38 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 27/01/2019 22:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.nickcarverphotography.co...-is-backwards/

Now I know it's not just me that's annoyed by this.* In
fact more than
annoyed, I once BROKE a Nikon camera I'd rented, costing me
£200, simply
by trying to attach the lens in the correct clockwise
manner.* The
rental company was not amused.

Agree with you about the bayonet, but FWIW the Fuji zoom
goes the same
way as the Nikon. Clockwise is the positive direction, going
out.

Never had a Fuji DSLR, but I won't be buying Fuji since two
compact
cameras I bought have nowhere near the MP they claim.

Which compact cameras,

The Finepix S1000FD and the similar one made before that which
claimed 6MP.

and you know this how?

By looking at the pictures they produced obviously.

Looking at the pictures they produced will not tell you anything
about the
sensor, or its specs.

WTF is the point in them telling me what the sensor can do if the
output
image isn't as good as that?* I don't care if it's the sensor or
the lens
or something else that limits it.* I expect an image worthy of
the MP it claims.

A more thorough examination of the image files is going to be
needed.

Yip, did that.* I get about 25% of the MP Fuji quote.* Canon gives
100%.* Sony gives 80%.

Besides, you are talking about a long defunct camera.

I don't care, they made two cameras that lied about their
output.* Every
time I've had a Canon, it produced what it said on the tin.


You should check on the capability of the current generation of
Fujifilm
mirrorless cameras.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xwwov7yanz74rem/DSF6645R1E3.jpg

I love the image of YOU in his helmet!

Be afraid, Duck, be very afraid...


I have ceased direct communication with that particular individual.

Did you get cross with me just for disclosing that you are now bald?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sj9k2zo0yz...06.06.png?dl=0


Baldness, and excess body hair, are indicative of insufficient evolution.

I'll have to take your word on that!

Or was it something else?

It was 20 years ago yesterday that I had to put my elderly yellow
Labrador to sleep so that I could make arrangements for the funeral of
my son. It was a double whammy - as a dog lover yourself you'll
appreciate that.

I couldn't have done that.* I'd have had to find someone to look after
the dog.* The only time I ever put an animal to sleep was one of my cats
which begged me to put him out of his misery.* He was 17 years old and
gradually lost strength, he started collapsing a lot.* When he woke me
at 4 in the morning whining like crazy, staring at me, and raising his
paw in the air for help, I ended it for him.

Leo was 17 years of age and already on his very last legs. I'd been in
touch with my vet about 10 days beforehand to ask if he would come to my
house when I deemed that the deed had to be done. Leo was too poorly to
be left in the care of somebody else. It broke my heart to do it.

I'm saddened to hear that you had to kill your cat. :-(

Your photographs are of superb quality when viewed on my 27 inch iMac!

Argh!* A Mac user!

'Fraid so! Best thing since sliced bread as they say! ;-)

I also use a dual boot Laptop (Windows 10 and Linux Mint) and an aged
Dell Dimension desktop with XP and Linux.

I've also still got my original Dell I bought in 1998. It has a virgin
copy of Windows 98 on it but it is not connected to the Internet.

--
David B.

On 29/01/2019 00.31, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 00:18:08 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
wrote:

On 28/01/2019 23.46, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

Evidently, you don't understand the mechanics of a spinning lawnmower
blade. If the nut tightened in the normal way, the blade would work
loose in use.

And for some reason motors must spin a certain way?

It's standard. If a motor rotated the other way no doubt you would
complain about it.

you're confusing standard with convention.

a motor can spin in either direction, often under user control.

Try that on a gasoline mower :-p

as i said, convention.

Sure. Did you try to reverse rotation in gasoline motor? Did you succeed?


Or on a drill.

most drills have a reversing switch.


Try to drill in reverse.

To drill a hole is only one function of a power drill. Some are used
more with a screwdriver bit. Inserting and removing screws requires
reversing.

And that needs a different head that is not screwed to the motor shaft,
as some are.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 29/01/2019 00:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 00:24:24 -0000, David B. "David
wrote:
[....]
He has nothing to fear from me, I assure you - and him! ;-)

Correct, you strike me as a big cuddly gentleman ;-)

Thank you - a bit TOO big, but losing pounds slowly since I stopped
drinking alcohol on the 21st March last year - the first day of spring!

I dislike avoiding things I enjoy, like alcohol and chocolate.* If I
need to lose weight, I exercise more or eat less, but the same things.

It's easy to say and do whilst you're just a young lad! ;-)

They tried to make me into a gentleman at BRNC Dartmouth. I only
attended elocution lessons because it meant I could miss a session of
drill on the parade ground! ;-)

Elocution lessons for the Navy ROTFPMSL!

Not funny at all! ;-) Naval Officers usually speak the Queen's English!
At least I lost my Kentish accent.

https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/our-org...brnc-dartmouth


I served a full five year apprenticeship as an Artificer before I joined
the college.

Ah so you can fix my car then.

Probably! We all did basic engineering for the first year, then
specialised thereafter. My own field was Control Engineering - mostly
electronics but some heavy electrical and hydraulic work too.

--
David B.

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 17:51:56 -0600, Savageduck
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 19:09:07 -0000, wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 01:21:09 -0000, wrote:

Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:19:11 -0600, Savageduck
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:52:38 -0000, newshound wrote:

On 27/01/2019 22:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.nickcarverphotography.co...-is-backwards/

Now I know it's not just me that's annoyed by this. In fact more than
annoyed, I once BROKE a Nikon camera I'd rented, costing me £200, simply
by trying to attach the lens in the correct clockwise manner. The
rental company was not amused.

Agree with you about the bayonet, but FWIW the Fuji zoom goes the same
way as the Nikon. Clockwise is the positive direction, going out.

Never had a Fuji DSLR, but I won't be buying Fuji since two compact
cameras I bought have nowhere near the MP they claim.


Which compact cameras, and you know this how?

My "car camera" is a Fuji FinePix F600EXR, and it's the worst buying
decision I've made in the area of photography. I bought it when there
were not as many choices of compacts that have manual control and
shoot RAW as there are now. And, I made the mistake of buying a
camera online without handling it in person. The local stores didn't
have enough of a selection.

Another discontinued camera with technology Fujifilm has long abandoned.

Irrelevant.

Back when that camera was available there were much better compacts
available. I would have suggested a Canon G12.

Yip, Canon was way better than Fuji ****.

The zoom is jerky and extremely difficult to set to frame a photo.
Given enough time, I can frame the scene but that makes it worthless
for street photography. OK for a static scene, but that's not the
type of photo I go after. Shutter response is slow so any moving
target is blind luck. It's not good at low-light, but the RAW frame
can sometimes be rescued.

You chose the wrong tool for the job. You should have got better advise, or
done some deeper research.

No camera should be as slow as those Fujis.


...and that is why that camera was relegated to the trash can of history.

I would not expect a decent brand like Fuji to make rubbish in the first place.


I have known questionable Nikons, Canons, Sonys, and Panasonics. So Fuji is
not alone in the production of lemons.

I don't know how this got around to Fuji making a lemon. The Fuji
FinePix F600EXR that I own is not at all suitable for my needs. But,
emphasis on "my needs". The photographic output, if the photographs
are taken of the type of subject matter that some photograph, are as
good as any other camera of that age and comparable size and price.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 01:54:00 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
wrote:

On 29/01/2019 00.31, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 00:18:08 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
wrote:

On 28/01/2019 23.46, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

Evidently, you don't understand the mechanics of a spinning lawnmower
blade. If the nut tightened in the normal way, the blade would work
loose in use.

And for some reason motors must spin a certain way?

It's standard. If a motor rotated the other way no doubt you would
complain about it.

you're confusing standard with convention.

a motor can spin in either direction, often under user control.

Try that on a gasoline mower :-p

as i said, convention.

Sure. Did you try to reverse rotation in gasoline motor? Did you succeed?


Or on a drill.

most drills have a reversing switch.


Try to drill in reverse.

To drill a hole is only one function of a power drill. Some are used
more with a screwdriver bit. Inserting and removing screws requires
reversing.

And that needs a different head that is not screwed to the motor shaft,
as some are.

I don't know what you're talking about. A screwdriver bit fits in the
Jacob's chuck of a power drill just like a drill bit fits in one.
Nothing is changed except the bit.

I also have a Makita drill that doesn't have a Jacobs chuck, but has a
hex fitting that uses either drill bit or screwdriver bit with a
hex-ended shaft. It's just a matter of what bit is inserted.


--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

On 29/01/2019 02.55, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 01:54:00 +0100, "Carlos E.R." wrote:

On 29/01/2019 00.31, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 00:18:08 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
wrote:

On 28/01/2019 23.46, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

Evidently, you don't understand the mechanics of a spinning lawnmower
blade. If the nut tightened in the normal way, the blade would work
loose in use.

And for some reason motors must spin a certain way?

It's standard. If a motor rotated the other way no doubt you would
complain about it.

you're confusing standard with convention.

a motor can spin in either direction, often under user control.

Try that on a gasoline mower :-p

as i said, convention.

Sure. Did you try to reverse rotation in gasoline motor? Did you succeed?


Or on a drill.

most drills have a reversing switch.


Try to drill in reverse.

To drill a hole is only one function of a power drill. Some are used
more with a screwdriver bit. Inserting and removing screws requires
reversing.

And that needs a different head that is not screwed to the motor shaft,
as some are.

I don't know what you're talking about. A screwdriver bit fits in the
Jacob's chuck of a power drill just like a drill bit fits in one.
Nothing is changed except the bit.

Well, I have drills with a head that is just bolted to the motor shaft,
which is reverse threaded for the purpose. Put them in reverse and head
gets loose and falls off.

https://goo.gl/images/gtc88m

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Tony Cooper wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 17:51:56 -0600, Savageduck
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 19:09:07 -0000, wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 01:21:09 -0000, wrote:

Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:19:11 -0600, Savageduck
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:52:38 -0000, newshound wrote:

On 27/01/2019 22:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.nickcarverphotography.co...-is-backwards/

Now I know it's not just me that's annoyed by this. In fact more than
annoyed, I once BROKE a Nikon camera I'd rented, costing me £200, simply
by trying to attach the lens in the correct clockwise manner. The
rental company was not amused.

Agree with you about the bayonet, but FWIW the Fuji zoom goes the same
way as the Nikon. Clockwise is the positive direction, going out.

Never had a Fuji DSLR, but I won't be buying Fuji since two compact
cameras I bought have nowhere near the MP they claim.


Which compact cameras, and you know this how?

My "car camera" is a Fuji FinePix F600EXR, and it's the worst buying
decision I've made in the area of photography. I bought it when there
were not as many choices of compacts that have manual control and
shoot RAW as there are now. And, I made the mistake of buying a
camera online without handling it in person. The local stores didn't
have enough of a selection.

Another discontinued camera with technology Fujifilm has long abandoned.

Irrelevant.

Back when that camera was available there were much better compacts
available. I would have suggested a Canon G12.

Yip, Canon was way better than Fuji ****.

The zoom is jerky and extremely difficult to set to frame a photo.
Given enough time, I can frame the scene but that makes it worthless
for street photography. OK for a static scene, but that's not the
type of photo I go after. Shutter response is slow so any moving
target is blind luck. It's not good at low-light, but the RAW frame
can sometimes be rescued.

You chose the wrong tool for the job. You should have got better advise, or
done some deeper research.

No camera should be as slow as those Fujis.


...and that is why that camera was relegated to the trash can of history.

I would not expect a decent brand like Fuji to make rubbish in the first place.


I have known questionable Nikons, Canons, Sonys, and Panasonics. So Fuji is
not alone in the production of lemons.

I don't know how this got around to Fuji making a lemon. The Fuji
FinePix F600EXR that I own is not at all suitable for my needs. But,
emphasis on "my needs". The photographic output, if the photographs
are taken of the type of subject matter that some photograph, are as
good as any other camera of that age and comparable size and price.


It got around to Fuji making a lemon, because Commander Kinsey expressed
his dissatisfaction with the performance of two Fuji compacts that he owned
some time ago. As for your particular camera, I am at least happy to hear
that the IQ was/is adequate, but the camera itself was just not suited to
your particular needs.

--
Regards,
Savageduck

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 17:46:00 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

Evidently, you don't understand the mechanics of a spinning lawnmower
blade. If the nut tightened in the normal way, the blade would work
loose in use.

And for some reason motors must spin a certain way?

It's standard. If a motor rotated the other way no doubt you would
complain about it.

you're confusing standard with convention.

a motor can spin in either direction, often under user control.

Try that on a gasoline mower :-p

as i said, convention.

Or on a drill.

most drills have a reversing switch.

You are confusing drills with drilling machines.
In other words we must take language seriously.
Imprecise language discloses the lack of precision of thought."
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