Nikon is backwards

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 01:27:46 -0000, wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 01:06:44 -0000, wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 00:19:11 -0000, wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:52:38 -0000, newshound wrote:

On 27/01/2019 22:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.nickcarverphotography.co...-is-backwards/

Now I know it's not just me that's annoyed by this. In fact more than
annoyed, I once BROKE a Nikon camera I'd rented, costing me £200, simply
by trying to attach the lens in the correct clockwise manner. The
rental company was not amused.

Agree with you about the bayonet, but FWIW the Fuji zoom goes the same
way as the Nikon. Clockwise is the positive direction, going out..

Never had a Fuji DSLR, but I won't be buying Fuji since two compact
cameras I bought have nowhere near the MP they claim.

Which compact cameras,

The Finepix S1000FD and the similar one made before that which claimed 6MP.

and you know this how?

By looking at the pictures they produced obviously.

Looking at the pictures they produced will not tell you anything about the
sensor, or its specs.

WTF is the point in them telling me what the sensor can do if the output
image isn't as good as that? I don't care if it's the sensor or the lens
or something else that limits it. I expect an image worthy of the MP it claims.

A more thorough examination of the image files is going to be needed..

Yip, did that. I get about 25% of the MP Fuji quote. Canon gives 100%. Sony gives 80%.

Besides, you are talking about a long defunct camera.

I don't care, they made two cameras that lied about their output. Every
time I've had a Canon, it produced what it said on the tin.


You should check on the capability of the current generation of Fujifilm
mirrorless cameras.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xwwov7yanz74rem/DSF6645R1E3.jpg

What model is that taken with?

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 08:07:48 -0000, David B. "David wrote:

On 28/01/2019 01:27, Savageduck wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 01:06:44 -0000, wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 00:19:11 -0000, wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:52:38 -0000, newshound wrote:

On 27/01/2019 22:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.nickcarverphotography.co...-is-backwards/

Now I know it's not just me that's annoyed by this. In fact more than
annoyed, I once BROKE a Nikon camera I'd rented, costing me £200, simply
by trying to attach the lens in the correct clockwise manner. The
rental company was not amused.

Agree with you about the bayonet, but FWIW the Fuji zoom goes the same
way as the Nikon. Clockwise is the positive direction, going out.

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 01:21:09 -0000, wrote:

Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:19:11 -0600, Savageduck
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:52:38 -0000, newshound wrote:

On 27/01/2019 22:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.nickcarverphotography.co...-is-backwards/

Now I know it's not just me that's annoyed by this. In fact more than
annoyed, I once BROKE a Nikon camera I'd rented, costing me £200, simply
by trying to attach the lens in the correct clockwise manner. The
rental company was not amused.

Agree with you about the bayonet, but FWIW the Fuji zoom goes the same
way as the Nikon. Clockwise is the positive direction, going out.

Never had a Fuji DSLR, but I won't be buying Fuji since two compact
cameras I bought have nowhere near the MP they claim.


Which compact cameras, and you know this how?

My "car camera" is a Fuji FinePix F600EXR, and it's the worst buying
decision I've made in the area of photography. I bought it when there
were not as many choices of compacts that have manual control and
shoot RAW as there are now. And, I made the mistake of buying a
camera online without handling it in person. The local stores didn't
have enough of a selection.

Another discontinued camera with technology Fujifilm has long abandoned.

Irrelevant.

Back when that camera was available there were much better compacts
available. I would have suggested a Canon G12.

Yip, Canon was way better than Fuji ****.

The zoom is jerky and extremely difficult to set to frame a photo.
Given enough time, I can frame the scene but that makes it worthless
for street photography. OK for a static scene, but that's not the
type of photo I go after. Shutter response is slow so any moving
target is blind luck. It's not good at low-light, but the RAW frame
can sometimes be rescued.

You chose the wrong tool for the job. You should have got better advise, or
done some deeper research.

No camera should be as slow as those Fujis.

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 01:51:24 -0000, Tony Cooper wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 19:21:09 -0600, Savageduck
wrote:

Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:19:11 -0600, Savageduck
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:52:38 -0000, newshound wrote:

On 27/01/2019 22:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.nickcarverphotography.co...-is-backwards/

Now I know it's not just me that's annoyed by this. In fact more than
annoyed, I once BROKE a Nikon camera I'd rented, costing me £200, simply
by trying to attach the lens in the correct clockwise manner. The
rental company was not amused.

Agree with you about the bayonet, but FWIW the Fuji zoom goes the same
way as the Nikon. Clockwise is the positive direction, going out.

Never had a Fuji DSLR, but I won't be buying Fuji since two compact
cameras I bought have nowhere near the MP they claim.


Which compact cameras, and you know this how?

My "car camera" is a Fuji FinePix F600EXR, and it's the worst buying
decision I've made in the area of photography. I bought it when there
were not as many choices of compacts that have manual control and
shoot RAW as there are now. And, I made the mistake of buying a
camera online without handling it in person. The local stores didn't
have enough of a selection.


Another discontinued camera with technology Fujifilm has long abandoned.

So what? There are more - by a long shot - discontinued models of all
makes of cameras than there are still-avialable models.

Back when that camera was available there were much better compacts
available. I would have suggested a Canon G12.

The zoom is jerky and extremely difficult to set to frame a photo.
Given enough time, I can frame the scene but that makes it worthless
for street photography. OK for a static scene, but that's not the
type of photo I go after. Shutter response is slow so any moving
target is blind luck. It's not good at low-light, but the RAW frame
can sometimes be rescued.


You chose the wrong tool for the job. You should have got better advise, or
done some deeper research.

I don't disagree, but - to be fair - the reviews don't always cover
the points that matter to the reader. Most of the information in
reviews is about the output of the camera. Things like jerky zoom are
seldom mentioned.

My biggest mistake was not first handling any camera that might be one
I'd buy. The output review should be secondary to how the camera
works in hand.

I'd have sent it back as unsatisfactory goods.

On 28/01/2019 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 15:46:24 -0000, Tony Cooper
wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 08:16:09 +0000, "David B." "David
wrote:

On 28/01/2019 00:20, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 23:03:04 -0000, RichA wrote:

On Sunday, 27 January 2019 17:32:41 UTC-5, Commander Kinsey* wrote:
https://www.nickcarverphotography.co...-is-backwards/

Now I know it's not just me that's annoyed by this.* In fact more
than annoyed, I once BROKE a Nikon camera I'd rented, costing me
£200, simply by trying to attach the lens in the correct clockwise
manner.* The rental company was not amused.

The bayonet is fine if you never go from one system to another and
back, but it grates if you do.

Not for me.* Everything in life tightens to the right.* Taps, screws,
etc, etc.* Having to do one thing the other way simply will never work
for me.* It's one of those things I expect to be intuitive.* If I want
to tighten something, it goes clockwise.* If that snaps a fragile
component inside the camera, I'll never buy their product again.
There's simply no need to be different to the rest of the entire world.

cough Sounds to me as if you've never connected a gas hose to a
propane bottle! ;-)

Or changed a lawn mower blade.

No need for either of those to be backwards either.* The designers were
clearly dimwits.

I think not! It's specifically for safety's sake.

IIRC one of the pedals on a bicycle has a left-hand thread so that the
pedal will not come adrift whilst one is cycling.

Just trying to help you! ;-)

--
David B.

On 28/01/2019 18:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 08:07:48 -0000, David B. "David
wrote:

On 28/01/2019 01:27, Savageduck wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 01:06:44 -0000,* wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 00:19:11 -0000,* wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:52:38 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 27/01/2019 22:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.nickcarverphotography.co...-is-backwards/

Now I know it's not just me that's annoyed by this.* In fact
more than
annoyed, I once BROKE a Nikon camera I'd rented, costing me
£200, simply
by trying to attach the lens in the correct clockwise manner.
The
rental company was not amused.

Agree with you about the bayonet, but FWIW the Fuji zoom goes
the same
way as the Nikon. Clockwise is the positive direction, going out.

Never had a Fuji DSLR, but I won't be buying Fuji since two compact
cameras I bought have nowhere near the MP they claim.

Which compact cameras,

The Finepix S1000FD and the similar one made before that which
claimed 6MP.

and you know this how?

By looking at the pictures they produced obviously.

Looking at the pictures they produced will not tell you anything
about the
sensor, or its specs.

WTF is the point in them telling me what the sensor can do if the
output
image isn't as good as that?* I don't care if it's the sensor or the
lens
or something else that limits it.* I expect an image worthy of the
MP it claims.

A more thorough examination of the image files is going to be needed.

Yip, did that.* I get about 25% of the MP Fuji quote.* Canon gives
100%.* Sony gives 80%.

Besides, you are talking about a long defunct camera.

I don't care, they made two cameras that lied about their output.
Every
time I've had a Canon, it produced what it said on the tin.


You should check on the capability of the current generation of Fujifilm
mirrorless cameras.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xwwov7yanz74rem/DSF6645R1E3.jpg

I love the image of YOU in his helmet!

An absolutely cracking shot! :-)

I've never seen a mirrored helmet before, what is it's purpose?

Me neither, but I did notice the reflection. ;-)

I have no idea WHY the cycle helmet is mirrored, other than to make it
attractive a the purchaser.

https://bobbinbikes.com/products/mir...t=720970121217

--
David B.

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 18:08:15 -0000, David B. "David wrote:

On 28/01/2019 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 15:46:24 -0000, Tony Cooper
wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 08:16:09 +0000, "David B." "David
wrote:

On 28/01/2019 00:20, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 23:03:04 -0000, RichA wrote:

On Sunday, 27 January 2019 17:32:41 UTC-5, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.nickcarverphotography.co...-is-backwards/

Now I know it's not just me that's annoyed by this. In fact more
than annoyed, I once BROKE a Nikon camera I'd rented, costing me
£200, simply by trying to attach the lens in the correct clockwise
manner. The rental company was not amused.

The bayonet is fine if you never go from one system to another and
back, but it grates if you do.

Not for me. Everything in life tightens to the right. Taps, screws,
etc, etc. Having to do one thing the other way simply will never work
for me. It's one of those things I expect to be intuitive. If I want
to tighten something, it goes clockwise. If that snaps a fragile
component inside the camera, I'll never buy their product again.
There's simply no need to be different to the rest of the entire world.

cough Sounds to me as if you've never connected a gas hose to a
propane bottle! ;-)

Or changed a lawn mower blade.

No need for either of those to be backwards either. The designers were
clearly dimwits.

I think not! It's specifically for safety's sake.

IIRC one of the pedals on a bicycle has a left-hand thread so that the
pedal will not come adrift whilst one is cycling.

Just trying to help you! ;-)

I can understand it with a bicycle, one pedal has to be the other way to the other. But a mower can simply have the motor spinning the other way.

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 18:15:27 -0000, David B. "David wrote:

On 28/01/2019 18:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 08:07:48 -0000, David B. "David
wrote:

On 28/01/2019 01:27, Savageduck wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 01:06:44 -0000, wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 00:19:11 -0000, wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:52:38 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 27/01/2019 22:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.nickcarverphotography.co...-is-backwards/

Now I know it's not just me that's annoyed by this. In fact
more than
annoyed, I once BROKE a Nikon camera I'd rented, costing me
£200, simply
by trying to attach the lens in the correct clockwise manner..
The
rental company was not amused.

Agree with you about the bayonet, but FWIW the Fuji zoom goes
the same
way as the Nikon. Clockwise is the positive direction, going out.

Never had a Fuji DSLR, but I won't be buying Fuji since two compact
cameras I bought have nowhere near the MP they claim.

Which compact cameras,

The Finepix S1000FD and the similar one made before that which
claimed 6MP.

and you know this how?

By looking at the pictures they produced obviously.

Looking at the pictures they produced will not tell you anything
about the
sensor, or its specs.

WTF is the point in them telling me what the sensor can do if the
output
image isn't as good as that? I don't care if it's the sensor or the
lens
or something else that limits it. I expect an image worthy of the
MP it claims.

A more thorough examination of the image files is going to be needed.

Yip, did that. I get about 25% of the MP Fuji quote. Canon gives
100%. Sony gives 80%.

Besides, you are talking about a long defunct camera.

I don't care, they made two cameras that lied about their output.
Every
time I've had a Canon, it produced what it said on the tin.


You should check on the capability of the current generation of Fujifilm
mirrorless cameras.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xwwov7yanz74rem/DSF6645R1E3.jpg

I love the image of YOU in his helmet!

An absolutely cracking shot! :-)

I've never seen a mirrored helmet before, what is it's purpose?

Me neither, but I did notice the reflection. ;-)

At least he wasn't naked like the infamous kettle picture.

I have no idea WHY the cycle helmet is mirrored, other than to make it
attractive a the purchaser.

Cyclists like to draw attention to themselves with hi vis nonsense, flashing headlamps, skin tight shorts to show the size of their genitalia, etc. They're all quite odd.

https://bobbinbikes.com/products/mir...t=720970121217

On 28/01/2019 18:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 18:08:15 -0000, David B. "David
wrote:

On 28/01/2019 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 15:46:24 -0000, Tony Cooper
wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 08:16:09 +0000, "David B." "David
wrote:

On 28/01/2019 00:20, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 23:03:04 -0000, RichA
wrote:

On Sunday, 27 January 2019 17:32:41 UTC-5, Commander Kinsey* wrote:
https://www.nickcarverphotography.co...-is-backwards/

Now I know it's not just me that's annoyed by this.* In fact more
than annoyed, I once BROKE a Nikon camera I'd rented, costing me
£200, simply by trying to attach the lens in the correct clockwise
manner.* The rental company was not amused.

The bayonet is fine if you never go from one system to another and
back, but it grates if you do.

Not for me.* Everything in life tightens to the right.* Taps, screws,
etc, etc.* Having to do one thing the other way simply will never
work
for me.* It's one of those things I expect to be intuitive.* If I
want
to tighten something, it goes clockwise.* If that snaps a fragile
component inside the camera, I'll never buy their product again.
There's simply no need to be different to the rest of the entire
world.

cough Sounds to me as if you've never connected a gas hose to a
propane bottle! ;-)

Or changed a lawn mower blade.

No need for either of those to be backwards either.* The designers were
clearly dimwits.

I think not! It's specifically for safety's sake.

IIRC one of the pedals on a bicycle has a left-hand thread so that the
pedal will not come adrift whilst one is cycling.

Just trying to help you! ;-)

I can understand it with a bicycle, one pedal has to be the other way to
the other.

I just KNEW you would understand! :-)

But a mower can simply have the motor spinning the other way.

It could. :-)

I don't have sufficient experience to comment further, other than to
tell you that on my Flymo electric mower the bolt which secure the blade
DOES have a conventional right-hand thread! ;-)

--
David B.

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 01:27:46 -0000, wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 01:06:44 -0000, wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 00:19:11 -0000, wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:52:38 -0000, newshound wrote:

On 27/01/2019 22:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.nickcarverphotography.co...-is-backwards/

Now I know it's not just me that's annoyed by this. In fact more than
annoyed, I once BROKE a Nikon camera I'd rented, costing me £200, simply
by trying to attach the lens in the correct clockwise manner. The
rental company was not amused.

Agree with you about the bayonet, but FWIW the Fuji zoom goes the same
way as the Nikon. Clockwise is the positive direction, going out.

Never had a Fuji DSLR, but I won't be buying Fuji since two compact
cameras I bought have nowhere near the MP they claim.

Which compact cameras,

The Finepix S1000FD and the similar one made before that which claimed 6MP.

and you know this how?

By looking at the pictures they produced obviously.

Looking at the pictures they produced will not tell you anything about the
sensor, or its specs.

WTF is the point in them telling me what the sensor can do if the output
image isn't as good as that? I don't care if it's the sensor or the lens
or something else that limits it. I expect an image worthy of the MP it claims.

A more thorough examination of the image files is going to be needed.

Yip, did that. I get about 25% of the MP Fuji quote. Canon gives 100%. Sony gives 80%.

Besides, you are talking about a long defunct camera.

I don't care, they made two cameras that lied about their output. Every
time I've had a Canon, it produced what it said on the tin.


You should check on the capability of the current generation of Fujifilm
mirrorless cameras.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xwwov7yanz74rem/DSF6645R1E3.jpg

What model is that taken with?


X-T2 with the XF 55-200mm lens.


--
Regards,
Savageduck