Sometimes stupid loses

On 5/6/2011 9:58 AM, Pete Stavrakoglou wrote:
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On 5/5/2011 6:07 PM, tony cooper wrote:

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You will not deny, surely, that some employees are better than others, and
some are pretty bad? Yet the union is there to protect them all, regardless
of their worth to the organization, and to guarantee their job security,
pay
increases, etc.? In this the union necessarily takes an adversarial role in
relation to management, often making it hard for management to get rid of
poor workers or to pay workers according to their worth.

It certainly is true that some employees are not as good at their job
as other employees. Funny, though, in all my life I've never met
anyone who felt they were the one that was not as good as the other
employees. I've only met the Bill Grahams who felt they were the ones
who were better at their job than the others.

While the unions do protect the employees, the same thing goes on in
the non-union working world. If you were a fly on the wall at just
about any fairly large company you'd hear people saying their boss is
an idiot and they do the work and the boss makes the big bucks, or
so-and-so should be fired but they're afraid the person will sue, or
so-and-so should be fired but he/she is a buddy of the boss.

Yes the system tends to allow incompetence and worse.

Many years ago my daughter came home in tears, complaining that her music
teacher picked on her and she was leaving the high school orchestra. Knowing
her as I did, I felt it was partially her fault and we simply dried her eyes.
One year later my younger daughter, who was a nationally ranked as one of the
top ten high school violists in this country, came home with the same
complaint. I quietly spoke to the school district's attorney, who was a friend
of mine. She told me there had been numerous complaints about this music
teacher and the district was trying to document a case form firing him. (His
abuse was verbal, not sexual.) My daughter pitched n to help and convinced the
entire high school orchestra and band not to play. He was eventually excessed.

In another district nude photographs of some students were found in the desk
of a high school guidance counselor. In order to avoid the upheaval that would
have followed, the counselor was permitted to quietly resign. I heard he
eventually found another job in an upstate district.

I figure if I know of two, there must be a lot more.

My wife is a special education teacher. There is one particular school
psychiatrist whois not only incompetent, but she is plain nuts. She violates
protocol and is abusive. Seh got angry with something my wife did regarding her
student and the psychiatrist confronted her and got physically abusive. My wife
filed a complaint. The district has been trying to excess this psychiatrist for
years but she files lawsuits against the district. My wife was able to have her
removed from the building but she was just moved to another school to continue
her incompetence and abuse.


My original solution was pay the ******* and give him nothing to do.
Just keep him where he can't hurt the kids. then I found out that union
rules won't allow that.


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Peter

On 5/6/2011 10:40 AM, PeterN wrote:
On 5/5/2011 11:27 PM, tony cooper wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2011 21:12:06 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

In another district nude photographs of some students were found in the
desk of a high school guidance counselor. In order to avoid the upheaval
that would have followed, the counselor was permitted to quietly resign.
I heard he eventually found another job in an upstate district.

This is the same crime that the Catholic church has been guilty of.
Once a person is known to be a pedophile, to simply discharge that
person and allow that person to be engaged in the same job elsewhere
is just as criminal as the acts of the person discharged. By not
pursuing this and having that person prohibited from employment by any
other school system is no different than transferring an errant priest
to another diocese.

Screw the upheaval. They just moved it and delayed it and put other
children in harm's way.


Total agreement. Simply posted as an outrageous example of CYA bureaucracy.


I should also add that if the student was the daughter of Mr. Big and
had pending applications for top ranked schools and the counselor in
question was threatening to publicize certain facts..... I'm sure you
see where I am going.

--
Peter

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On 5/6/2011 9:58 AM, Pete Stavrakoglou wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 5/5/2011 6:07 PM, tony cooper wrote:

wrote:

You will not deny, surely, that some employees are better than others, and
some are pretty bad? Yet the union is there to protect them all, regardless
of their worth to the organization, and to guarantee their job security,
pay
increases, etc.? In this the union necessarily takes an adversarial role in
relation to management, often making it hard for management to get rid of
poor workers or to pay workers according to their worth.

It certainly is true that some employees are not as good at their job
as other employees. Funny, though, in all my life I've never met
anyone who felt they were the one that was not as good as the other
employees. I've only met the Bill Grahams who felt they were the ones
who were better at their job than the others.

While the unions do protect the employees, the same thing goes on in
the non-union working world. If you were a fly on the wall at just
about any fairly large company you'd hear people saying their boss is
an idiot and they do the work and the boss makes the big bucks, or
so-and-so should be fired but they're afraid the person will sue, or
so-and-so should be fired but he/she is a buddy of the boss.

Yes the system tends to allow incompetence and worse.

Many years ago my daughter came home in tears, complaining that her music
teacher picked on her and she was leaving the high school orchestra. Knowing
her as I did, I felt it was partially her fault and we simply dried her eyes.
One year later my younger daughter, who was a nationally ranked as one of the
top ten high school violists in this country, came home with the same
complaint. I quietly spoke to the school district's attorney, who was a friend
of mine. She told me there had been numerous complaints about this music
teacher and the district was trying to document a case form firing him. (His
abuse was verbal, not sexual.) My daughter pitched n to help and convinced the
entire high school orchestra and band not to play. He was eventually excessed.

In another district nude photographs of some students were found in the desk
of a high school guidance counselor. In order to avoid the upheaval that would
have followed, the counselor was permitted to quietly resign. I heard he
eventually found another job in an upstate district.

I figure if I know of two, there must be a lot more.

My wife is a special education teacher. There is one particular school
psychiatrist whois not only incompetent, but she is plain nuts. She violates
protocol and is abusive. Seh got angry with something my wife did regarding her
student and the psychiatrist confronted her and got physically abusive. My wife
filed a complaint. The district has been trying to excess this psychiatrist for
years but she files lawsuits against the district. My wife was able to have her
removed from the building but she was just moved to another school to continue
her incompetence and abuse.


My original solution was pay the ******* and give him nothing to do.
Just keep him where he can't hurt the kids. then I found out that union
rules won't allow that.

Promote him to management, which takes him outside the union, give him a
couple of years, then fire him.