No more Contax...

In article ,
"Courtesy Assured" wrote:

Well, it would be pointless to re-hash the well documented deficiencies of
the 4/3 system - just about everyone is already aware that it produces noisy
and relatively poor quality images(or, if they don't know, they've only to
read some reviews)

Instead of reading reviews, I actually use the E-system, (among other
camera's) and I can only say it has surpassed all my expectations by a
wide margin. The E1 is a high-quality pro-level tool. (unlike Canon's
offerings on the same price-level) It beats the Nikon D1x hands down,
and this was the top level Nikon up to a week ago. E1 production has
already stopped by the way, expect some interesting news in a few
weeks/months, while stock is being cleared. You are so hoplessly
misinformed it isn't even funny. Admit it, peanut-brain, you are just
repeating nonsense you heard on the web, like a parrot. Does your mother
know you are using her computer?

Have fun looking through your plastic f/5.6 20D kit-lens. Now THAT is an
example of an overpriced lens... $100 optics and Canon sells it for
$500. They must laugh their asses off.

Lourens

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Roland Karlsson wrote:


The strangest part of this is thet Oly told us that
the new fantastic 4/3 system had some extra ordinary
properties that made it superior - that the real advantage
was that it was the choice of professionals that wanted
a tool that produced outstanding results. It was lots
of talk of tele centric lenses etc, etc, ... The site was
full of fashion photography made by very good photographers.

And now? Cheap cameras and lenses to try to save the system.
Back to the roots - amateurs.

Ah... someone who hasn't seen the latest stuff yet.

14-35mm f2.0
http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/Hot...E14-35mmF2.JPG

35-100mm f2.0
http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/Hot...35-100mmF2.JPG


90-250mm f2.8
http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/Hot.../E90-250mm.JPG

Lourens

"Lourens Smak" wrote in message
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Admit it, peanut-brain, you are just
repeating nonsense you heard on the web, like a parrot. Does your mother
know you are using her computer?

Feeling a little touchy about our purchase decision?... =)

Al...

"Lourens Smak" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Courtesy Assured" wrote:

Well, it would be pointless to re-hash the well documented deficiencies
of
the 4/3 system - just about everyone is already aware that it produces
noisy
and relatively poor quality images(or, if they don't know, they've only
to
read some reviews)

Instead of reading reviews, I actually use the E-system, (among other
camera's) and I can only say it has surpassed all my expectations by a
wide margin. The E1 is a high-quality pro-level tool. (unlike Canon's
offerings on the same price-level) It beats the Nikon D1x hands down,
and this was the top level Nikon up to a week ago. E1 production has
already stopped by the way, expect some interesting news in a few
weeks/months, while stock is being cleared. You are so hoplessly
misinformed it isn't even funny. Admit it, peanut-brain, you are just
repeating nonsense you heard on the web, like a parrot. Does your mother
know you are using her computer?

Have fun looking through your plastic f/5.6 20D kit-lens. Now THAT is an
example of an overpriced lens... $100 optics and Canon sells it for
$500. They must laugh their asses off.

Lourens




Actually, my observations are based on a week's use of a 300 - which proved
to be a nasty little camera exhibiting all the limitations of the 4/3
system.

As for the fabled E-1 - if you like it, and are happy with the unsharp noisy
images it produces, fine. Perhaps it is, as you claim, a 'High level Pro
tool' - but without any 'High level Pro's' actually using it.

Still, perhaps you know something they don't?

However, it seems clear that your decent into personal abuse is symptomatic
of your own dissatisfaction with your wildly overpriced antique.

I'm not surprised to learn that E-1 production has ended - and as for the
'interesting news' that you are anticipating, I believe that this will prove
to be the announcement from Olympus that they have finally decided to stop
holding their corporate fingers in the fire, and are pulling out of the DSLR
market altogether.

Remember, the alleged collaboration with Panasonic remains mere vaporware -
empty words on hastily scribble press releases. I very much doubt that, in
reality, Panasonic will actually choose to follow Olympus down the pathway
to bankruptcy.

After all, Fuji came to their senses, didn't they? - and perhaps now it's
time for you to do the same?

"Stacey" wrote in message
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TAFKAB wrote:


"Roland Karlsson" wrote in message

Contax was one of the finest film SLR you could get.
Extremely good lenses and mechanical build.

The passing of the 645 system, with it's Zeiss lenses, is a real shame. I
can't imagine what all those Contax users will do now,

Maybe take pictures with them instead of obsessing about buying the newest
latest greatest equipment to brag about owning?

Yes, but with the system being a dead end, few pros will stick with it when
it needs repair or replacement. Plus, some of the much needed accessories
that users seem to want will never appear, like leaf shutter lenses (or have
they appeared?). Dead end systems are usually not the way to go.

Of course Contax is totally to blame. Look at their rangefinders; nice idea,
horrible execution. No digital solution. No true AF lenses, just one really
stupid AF body. Contax never kept up, and now they're gone. It shouldn't be
a surprise.


Rollei stopped making the rolleicord many years ago yet mine still makes
great images, just isn't much to brag about on a digital on-line
newsgroup.
Same with my super graphic 4X5, they went under what was it 30 years ago?
Again I guess it depends on if your interested in making good images or
bragging about owning what's popular today?

If they work for you, keep shooting. Some of us prefer a different
direction. FWIW, neither of those cameras are useful to me, since I shoot
some kid's sports. Also, it ain't the gear...


--

Stacey

The way Oly is treating the 5060 mode dial issue is both shameful and
indicative of a company that couldn't care less about its customers --
and maybe its line of business. Evidence indicates increasingly that
they are purposely selling a camera with known defects and practicing
highly inconsistent repair and warranty policies. My own 5060 died
after a couple of months (non-mode dial problem) and there are
increasing horror stories about this camera (which does take beautiful
photos when it works) which not only suggest that shortcuts were taken
in the manufacturing process, but that the company has decided to duck
and weave away from telling the truth. They have never responded to
inquiries from me and other users. I'm a fifth generation Oly digicam
user and cannot imagine that there will be a sixth unless something
changes dramatically.

In article ,
"TAFKAB" wrote:

Contax is totally to blame

Contax is a Zeiss Ikon tradename for the cameras they made in Germany.

The Contax you are talking about is a product of a Japanese company who
used the trademark Contak under license of Zeiss. Zeiss did not make or
market the cameras you are referring to. They were designed, made and
marketed by Yashica first and then Kyrocera later. Kyrocera bought
Yashica.

--
To reply no_ HPMarketing Corp.

"Lourens Smak" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Courtesy Assured" wrote:

Well, it would be pointless to re-hash the well documented deficiencies
of
the 4/3 system - just about everyone is already aware that it produces
noisy
and relatively poor quality images(or, if they don't know, they've only
to
read some reviews)

Instead of reading reviews, I actually use the E-system, (among other
camera's) and I can only say it has surpassed all my expectations by a
wide margin. The E1 is a high-quality pro-level tool. (unlike Canon's
offerings on the same price-level) It beats the Nikon D1x hands down,
and this was the top level Nikon up to a week ago. E1 production has
already stopped by the way, expect some interesting news in a few
weeks/months, while stock is being cleared. You are so hoplessly
misinformed it isn't even funny. Admit it, peanut-brain, you are just
repeating nonsense you heard on the web, like a parrot. Does your mother
know you are using her computer?

Have fun looking through your plastic f/5.6 20D kit-lens. Now THAT is an
example of an overpriced lens... $100 optics and Canon sells it for
$500. They must laugh their asses off.

Lourens

Lourens, you are a classic example of a pot calling a kettle black. Through
misrepresentation and out and out falsehood, you condemn a camera, system
and company with which you have little, if any, familiarity. The feel and
heft of the E-1 (yes, I've tried one, at the store) is similar the that of
the 20D. Yes, it is better sealed, but no better constructed. And it was
too small for me to handle comfortably. The "kit" lens you seem to be
talking about is probably the 17-85 f4-5.6 IS, but you seem, in your
fanaticism, to be combining it with the 18-55 f4.5-5.6 lens, one that does,
indeed, have $100 worth of optics, which is what the lens sells for. The
17-85 isn't a cheapie, and offers something that no Olympus lens offers,
image stabilization. You can't match it with anything you own, or may, in
the future own, because Olympus doesn't have it.
And there is no way that the image quality of the E-1 can match the quality
of the 20D, with the limitations of the Oly 5mp sensor, not to mention any
of the other offerings of other camera manufacturers, including the
KonicaMinolta 7D with its built in "anti-shake," Canon 1D mkII and 1Ds mkII
or the Nikon D2x. Speaking of laughing their asses off, Oly must be having
a serious chuckle over convincing guys like you that a smaller, lower
resolution sensor is better. All it did was let them build cameras and
lenses with less material in them, and charge you the same as, or more than,
the other mfrs. do for theirs.
Give it up, Lourens, you've exhausted any credibility you ever had.

--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com

"Courtesy Assured" wrote in message
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After all, Fuji came to their senses, didn't they? - and perhaps now it's
time for you to do the same?


Can you explain what Fuji did?

"Stacey" wrote in message
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Maybe take pictures with them instead of obsessing about buying the newest
latest greatest equipment to brag about owning?

Rollei stopped making the rolleicord many years ago yet mine still makes
great images, just isn't much to brag about on a digital on-line
newsgroup.


Rollei TLRs had little in the way of additional accessories and lenses,
unlike today's system cameras. It is easy to be content when one ones the
whole system, but what about those that were continuing to build their kit
of bodies, lenses and accessories, only to find that their chosen system is
now orphaned?

Kinda' makes one wonder why to bother with those exotic
(translate="expensive") brands, that can leave on hanging, versus going with
the mainline brands that have been around for decades and probably will
survive the market shakeout.

Anyone that invested heavily in Contax, only to learn that Kyocera was
literally pulling out of the entire camera market--film AND digital--had to
be shocked and disappointed. One just does not expect that from companies
that have represented their brands to be top shelf products.

I wonder how the guy that invested thousands of dollars in Contax gear this
past Wednesday felt when he heard the news release on Thursday?