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In article , Mayayana
wrote: I'm surprised, though, that this category hasn't developed better. anyone who says that hasn't looked. there is a lot of graphics software available. I've written limited graphic software myself. There's lots of freeware. There's GIMP. Yet no one seems to have come up with a clean, complete, well designed raster graphics program to stop the PS lock on the market. many have tried, but none have matched what photoshop can do. Maybe it's just that techie people don't usually care much about graphics. All I want is something intuitive, with full functionality, at a reasonable price. photoshop elements for $50ish is exactly that. The problem in the 90s was lack of functionality. The problem these days is the opposite: Companies add gimmicks in an attempt to wow customers into buying a new version they don't need. nonsense. |
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"android" wrote
| Yes that's the price what? It's 59 euros? so | something like $65 then. | | What's your problem? Are you offended that there are other currencies | than USD out there? I'm not familiar with the notation *,- and the page is in English. So it wasn't clear whether there was perhaps a typo or some other mixup. I'm not offended, but I'd have to fill out a form in order to go to the next page to find out what I'd actually pay. That seems like rather poor webpage design to me. It has nothing to do with nationalism or regional pride. Presumably at some point they'd tell me what I have to pay in dollars. Doesn't it make sense to do that before I have to fill out forms and give them all my personal information? But hiding prices is not an unusual strategy. A lot of companies do that. It seems to be the car salesman approach: Get them interested before talking about money. So far two problems: The help file has a CSS error that makes the text invisible on my system. The color picker is horrendous. But the program does seem to have a lot of functionality. I haven't tried a RAW photo on it yet. I'm mainly curious because I like to have things to recommend to others. But given the price, the slight funkiness of the layout, and the complexity, i'm nbot sure I'd recommend it to anyone. If they don't mind funky they can have GIMP for free. But Photoline is certainly interesting. |
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"Savageduck" wrote
| OK! Now, why don't you tell us how you really feel? | You just posted a long opinion about Lightroom CC. I thought it was interesting and possibly useful for anyone who wants to use Lightroom. Why do you resent when others post their opinions? It's a lot of work to try out new software. Getting opinions from others is part of the point of groups like this. Or is it just that you don't like people talking about non-Adobe? For anyone contemplating buying Corel products it might be worth seeing a criticism of them. |
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On Oct 20, 2017, Mayayana wrote
(in article ): wrote OK! Now, why don't you tell us how you really feel? You just posted a long opinion about Lightroom CC. Yup! I thought it was interesting and possibly useful for anyone who wants to use Lightroom. I hoped that it would possibly be useful information. Why do you resent when others post their opinions? I don’t. It's a lot of work to try out new software. Yup! Getting opinions from others is part of the point of groups like this. Or is it just that you don't like people talking about non-Adobe? Opinions are subjective. However, if you read what you have written, your opinion in this thread has the flavor of a rant, and that was what I responded to. For anyone contemplating buying Corel products it might be worth seeing a criticism of them. It might be. It is just that your preference would be to exclude all features you don’t care for, when they might be important to some potential buyers. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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"Mayayana" wrote: I'm not familiar with the notation *,- and the page is in English. The off the page "59,- Euro" equals Euro 59.00. Should be simple enough even for you. Can't find some *,- on it anywhere... HTH -- teleportation kills |
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"Savageduck" wrote
| Opinions are subjective. However, if you read what you have written, your | opinion in this thread has the flavor of a rant, and that was what I | responded to. We *do* have different styles. you tend to be diplomatic, while I like to spice things up with more provocative language. |
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In article , Mayayana
wrote: I had to recompile the help file, after fixing the CSS, so that I could read it. (The text is invisible!) Very few people can or will recompile help files. very few people intentionally cripple their browser to where most sites fail to display properly. those who do know what they did to cause that and can easily remedy the situation. How many people have setups that prevent reading the help file? Maybe not a lot. one. I don't know. But they say they support WinXP. I'm running it on WinXP with the default WinXP CHM file help system. They should have tested to make sure their help files don't break on a standard WinXP setup. your setup is anything but standard and the fact that they still support xp means it won't be competitive with modern apps running on modern operating systems. Another typical issue: There are two separate menu items for dummy brightness "correction", whatever that is, but no brightness tool. The only way to do it is from the menu Tool - Color - Hue/Saturation. the issue is your lack of understanding. Am I being picky? Yes. Why not? We're talking about the pros and cons of possibly buying a graphic editor that costs $70+-. It doesn't help anyone to say, "Oh. This is pretty good." My overall sense after limited experimenting is that the program has a lot of functionality but is poorly designed and rough around the edges. It's also overproduced at the same time. Click the forecolor box and you get a 5-or-6-tab menu where you can pick background patterns, web-safe colors, and all sorts of other nonsense. (The Jews have a delightful word for that: ungepachkit. [OONG-geh-poch-kit] It means overdone and is the scourge of too much modern software.) antisemitism noted, and it's actually ungapatchka: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ungapatchka a Yiddish word that describes the overly ornate, busy, ridiculously over-decorated, and garnished to the point of distaste. photoline is not that. it's not even remotely close to that. photoline is actually the *opposite* of that. there is zero polish. however, you are correct that it's poorly designed. Double-click the forecolor box and you at least get a color picker, but it's a badly designed one. (And double clicking the forecolor box is non-intuitive. I only know about it because I found it in the help. Most people don't even read the help, so they're likely to assume that Photoline only deals in web-safe colors. I was reading the help because I couldn't believe there was no basic color picker.) websafe colours??? wtf. 1995 wants you back. But of course, none of that will matter for 98% of people. They lost interest at the purchase page when they couldn't immediately, effortlessly figure out what the software costs. no, they lost interest when they realized that photoshop elements costs less, does much more and is a *much* easier to use app and one with a huge support network should there be any issues. photoline is complete garbage. it's based on the gimp's source code and is only slightly more tolerable. |
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On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 11:47:05 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote: Those of us who routinely prowl the internet are quite used to using conversion apps for currency, weights, and measurements. I was just viewing a discussion where it was brought up that in the US vision acuity is expressed as "20/20" (meaning seeing something at 20 feet away as a person with normal vision would see it at 20 feet away) but that same expression is "6/6" in Europe. A measurement conversion app tells you that "6 meters" is 19.685 feet. Apps aren't needed. Just use Google. |
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"Tony Cooper" wrote | I spent my working career in sales Interesting. But you don't subscribe to the idea that you shouldn't argue with the customer and tell them that what they want is not valid? I ran into that the other day in a Sherwin Williams paint store. The clerk is trained to "upsell" constantly and to suggest new products. I told him I'd like to switch to SW acrylic wall paints but I've been finding they go rotten in under 2 years. When I open the can it's an unbearable stench. Something like ammonia and sulfur. Benjamin Moore paints are not as good in my view, but they don't do that. The clerk told me that what I've experienced is not true. I had to smile. He was trained to be a salesman but wasn't trained to listen to the customer. | You seem to be taking the position that using a currency converter app | it is something difficult to do. Not at all. This has nothing to do with currency conversion. Someone is leaving your website to go figure out the conversion. You're not making it easy for them. Some years ago I read about a software company that was trying to figure out why they got a lot of downloads but few sales. It turned out that 2/3 of the downloaders couldn't find the installer after they'd downloaded it and forgot about it. There are other popular stats for webmasters that a page needs to load in under .25 seconds or people may get impatient and leave. So all I'm saying is that they should do what you said you would do: If they're going to build a dedicated website aimed at Americans then sell from that site in dollars. Don't create unnecessary obstacles. Ditto for the rest of my post. The best software is functional and intuitive. To go against the grain -- on the webpage or in the software -- is a case of ignorance, inferior design, or even arrogant aggression. An example of the latter would be GIMP, where the File - SaveAs menu saves in GIMP format. To save in normal formats requires going to an "Export" menu. Why? It's clearly a Gimpian imposition. They want to tell us that we should save files in their format. They broke functionality in order to do that. It's not broken in a big way, but it's one detail that doesn't work smoothly and requires the user to do some research. Dozens of such quirks are what make GIMP an inferior piece of software that few people use despite the fact that it's free. | A measurement conversion app | tells you that "6 meters" is 19.685 feet. I wrote a small program to access Google maps, streetview, satellite images. It provides an option to show elevation and distance scale in km or miles. Should I expect people to use a conversion program with my software? Why? Are you on some kind of politically correct kick that you think people who think in miles and dollars should be inconvenienced because American imperialism has been oppressive for Europeans? Do you share the anti-American resentment that android expressed? I'm not inclined to be political about it. It's just a practical issue. I provide metric conversion because some Europeans use my software and they need it. The whole point of good software is that it does what you need well and doesn't do what you don't need. It's the same with anything. And that includes website functionality. |
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"Bill W" wrote
| Apps aren't needed. Just use Google. I actually keep a VBScript on my desktop to convert temperatures. With km I just think of it as 3/5 mileage and that's close enough. I can't remember the last time I needed to convert between metric and feet/inches/yards. I can't think of anything I use that doesn't at least have the American measurements in parentheses. |
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