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Old September 8th 17, 06:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
Chaya Eve
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

Can you help with technical and legal background information on how to use
a True-Type copyrighted font correctly with laypeople and printers?

Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience:
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)

Specifically on the technical, I just want to embed the font into PPT 2007:
A. When I modify a multi-page PowerPoint with custom signs, it looks good.
B. But when I send that PowerPoint to neighbors the fonts are all jumbled.
C. I have "RoadGeek 2005 Series B" TT fonts, but I can't expect them to
load fonts so I just want the font to be embedded inside the the editable
Powerpoint file (where everyone has Powerpoint on either a Mac or Windows).
http://texaphoto.com/fonts/roadgeek-...eries-3-b.html

Specifically on the legal, I just want to be legally correct:
a. This page tries to explain the legal requirements.
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/downl...1beacfc13bb8b3
b. It says something about "css" notifications as shown below.
Quote:
Using @import CSS directive, put the following line in add to your css
file.(http | https)@import
url(//db.onlinewebfonts.com/c/458cf7aea231a973eb1beacfc13bb8b3?family=Roadgeek+2 005+Series+B);
c. I have no idea what that means in terms of the editable PowerPoint 2007.

In summary, I ask for your advice on two questions.
Q1: How do I embed a TT font into PowerPoint 2007 for others to edit, and,
Q2: What is this "css" legal stuff and I do I comply with it in PPT 2007?

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Note that PDF is not in the picture, nor are screenshots, as the need is to
edit this Powerpoint 2007 file forever over time as needed by various
individuals.
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Old September 8th 17, 07:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

In article , Chaya Eve
wrote:

Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience:
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?)


rtfm

2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)


consult with a licensed attorney in your area.

Specifically on the technical, I just want to embed the font into PPT 2007:
A. When I modify a multi-page PowerPoint with custom signs, it looks good.
B. But when I send that PowerPoint to neighbors the fonts are all jumbled.


then you ****ed up.

C. I have "RoadGeek 2005 Series B" TT fonts, but I can't expect them to
load fonts so I just want the font to be embedded inside the the editable
Powerpoint file (where everyone has Powerpoint on either a Mac or Windows).
http://texaphoto.com/fonts/roadgeek-...eries-3-b.html

Specifically on the legal, I just want to be legally correct:


that's a first.

a. This page tries to explain the legal requirements.
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/downl...1beacfc13bb8b3


no it doesn't.

there's a contact link at that site. ask them what is required.
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Old September 8th 17, 08:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

In article ,
Chaya Eve wrote:

Can you help with technical and legal background information on how to use
a True-Type copyrighted font correctly with laypeople and printers?

Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience:
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)


I can't answer the first. The second depends entirely on the end-user
license agreement of the font in question. Some allow embedding; others
do not.

Andre

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Old September 8th 17, 10:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 21:51:05 +0100, Good Guy
wrote:

This is a Windows 10 newsgroup,


It's also a Mac newsgroup where the problem is that the Macs can't handle
fonts as well as Windows does (and where some users are on the Mac).

"First off, if you use a Mac version of Office, you can skip the rest of
this page. Mac PowerPoint can't embed fonts, and it can't use fonts that
have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint. That's a real pity
and a real impediment to cross-platform compatibility."
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm

But embedding fonts on Windows is also sometimes problematic.

"Next, if you're trying to embed OpenType (OTF) fonts, see You cannot embed
an Adobe OpenType font in a document in an Office program. Note that this
applies to fonts with an .OTF extension. Some fonts will appear in Control
Panel | Fonts with an "O" icon and identify themselves as OpenType, but
will have a .TTF extension."

This question will require someone who knows what they're talking about,
and not someone with an opinion (which everyone has) about fonts so it's
best that you and that nospam clod just leave the conversation sooner
rather than later.
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Old September 8th 17, 10:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
Chaya Eve
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 18:59:14 GMT, Tim wrote:

As far as the legality is concerned, the real issue is 'Is this going to
produce income for me/for the entity I work for/for the customer I am
creating this for?


No income whatsoever. It's just a set of custom private property signs
befitting of California Penal Code 602L (e.g., 2-inch letters, greater than
one square foot in area, etc.).

I am assuming you downloaded this font for free.

Yup.


This comes to the real issue with imbedding the font. By doing so you are
distributing the IP of the creator without their permission, unless they
have granted it as part of the download process.


Interesting observation where I can add a text to the last page of the
PowerPoint documentation, but it's not going to show up on the sign itself.

It may seem like
splitting hairs, but if instead of imbedding the font, you make it clear
that the recipient needs to download the font themselves in order to make
your work product work properly.


I understand what you're saying. It's too much work for others but if those
are the rules, then those are the rules.

At the moment, I just want to embed the font into PowerPoint and then let
others do what they want with the document since we have a printer who will
print them for us for free at the local high school.

Since the school is involved, I just want the legality to be covered even
as there is no cost and this is part of the projects for the kids.

Thanks for your observations!
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Old September 8th 17, 10:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

In article , Chaya Eve
wrote:


This is a Windows 10 newsgroup,


It's also a Mac newsgroup where the problem is that the Macs can't handle
fonts as well as Windows does (and where some users are on the Mac).


nonsense. macs set the standard for font handling.

also, true type fonts were a collaboration between apple and microsoft
to compete with adobe.

you've also confirmed that you're nothing more than a troll, not that
there was any doubt.

"First off, if you use a Mac version of Office, you can skip the rest of
this page. Mac PowerPoint can't embed fonts, and it can't use fonts that
have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint. That's a real pity
and a real impediment to cross-platform compatibility."
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm


that is specific to powerpoint, not mac os.

there are other presentation apps, including ones that *aren't*
available on windows.

But embedding fonts on Windows is also sometimes problematic.

"Next, if you're trying to embed OpenType (OTF) fonts, see You cannot embed
an Adobe OpenType font in a document in an Office program. Note that this
applies to fonts with an .OTF extension. Some fonts will appear in Control
Panel | Fonts with an "O" icon and identify themselves as OpenType, but
will have a .TTF extension."


so windows isn't as good as you claim.

what a surprise. not.

This question will require someone who knows what they're talking about,
and not someone with an opinion (which everyone has) about fonts so it's
best that you and that nospam clod just leave the conversation sooner
rather than later.


it's best that you troll elsewhere.
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Old September 8th 17, 11:32 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On 2017-09-08 19:21:06 +0000, Andre G. Isaak said:
In article ,
Chaya Eve wrote:

Can you help with technical and legal background information on how to use
a True-Type copyrighted font correctly with laypeople and printers?

Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience:
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)


I can't answer the first. The second depends entirely on the end-user
license agreement of the font in question. Some allow embedding; others
do not.


In terms of just embedding fonts, you can sometimes get around that by
changing the text using those fonts to outlines (e.g. in Adobe
Illustrator or InDesign) or creating a bitmap image of the text (e.g.
in Adobe Photoshop or any graphics appliction). InDesign specifically
warns you that you can't embed some fonts when trying to create a PDF
using them.

BUT it may still be against the font's license agreement to do even
that. As always, you have to carefully read all the smallprint, but the
problem is that it's often buried in so much legalese that it's
near-impossible for any normal person to understand it. :-\


I don't know, but creating a bitmap image of the text may be the only
way to "embed" the font into a PowerPoint presentation. It was
certainly the only way to add text using fancy fonts to webpages before
"web fonts" came along.

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Old September 9th 17, 02:18 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
Chaya Eve
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 10:32:45 +1200, Your Name wrote:

In terms of just embedding fonts, you can sometimes get around that by
changing the text using those fonts to outlines (e.g. in Adobe
Illustrator or InDesign) or creating a bitmap image of the text (e.g.
in Adobe Photoshop or any graphics appliction). InDesign specifically
warns you that you can't embed some fonts when trying to create a PDF
using them.


If necessary, outlines should work because we are only going to print to
plastic cutouts to lay on the 12"x18" steel sign surface.

BUT it may still be against the font's license agreement to do even
that. As always, you have to carefully read all the smallprint, but the
problem is that it's often buried in so much legalese that it's
near-impossible for any normal person to understand it. :-\


Since "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" is a common free font for road signs, the
"small print" is almost non existent. The font is freely available
everywhere, where a simple search turns it up in scores of web sites.

But nowhere is the license agreement in the least complex.
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/search?q=roadgeek

The license says:
"This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright
notifications remain intact."

The copyright says:
"Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved."

So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007?

I don't know, but creating a bitmap image of the text may be the only
way to "embed" the font into a PowerPoint presentation. It was
certainly the only way to add text using fancy fonts to webpages before
"web fonts" came along.


I understand that you're saying to use a bitmat block image (picture) of
the text in PowerPoint that is distributed.

But how is that done?

Is there a button to convert fonts to bitmap in PowerPoint?
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Old September 9th 17, 02:18 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
Chaya Eve
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 13:21:06 -0600, "Andre G. Isaak"
wrote:

The second depends entirely on the end-user
license agreement of the font in question. Some allow embedding; others
do not.


As stated in the OP, the font is a standard free font for road signs.
And, as stated in the OP, the question is a specific question of that font.

Specifically "Roadgeek 2005 Series B", as stated in the OP:
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/downl...1beacfc13bb8b3

As explained there, the "license" line simply says:
"This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright
notifications remain intact"

And as explained there, the "trademark" line simply says:
"Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved."

There is a trademark line:
"Roadgeek 2005 Series B is a trademark of Michael D. Adams."

I can find no contact information for this Mr. Adams.
There is nothing about embedding that I can find anywhere on the net.


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Old September 9th 17, 02:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
Chaya Eve
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 23:41:48 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
wrote:

Microsoft always finds a way to ****ify their software. This has nothing
to do with the Mac, only with Microsoft's incompetence.


You two clueless clods have already proven you know nothing about the topic.

As stated prior it's best that you and that nospam clueless clod just leave
the conversation sooner rather than later because this isn't about your pet
peeves.

The question is about:
Q1: Embedding a specific font into both Mac & Windows PowerPoint 2007.
Q2: Complying with the legal agreement that the copyright remain intact.

Embedding a font into Windows PowerPoint 2007 is described he
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint

The line of interest on embedding in that summary is:
"You can embed any TrueType font ... if they do not have license
restrictions."

An embedding problem we need to solve is described he
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm

The line of interest on embedding in that summary is:
"Mac versions of PowerPoint can't embed fonts or use fonts that have been
embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint."

The second question is complying with the legal agreement.
http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005

The line of interest in the legal agreement is:
"The license is freeware, non commercial."

Despite you having whooshed on the question, the question was clear.

Since you have already proven you know absolutely nothing of the topic,
it's best that you two clueless clods leave the conversation sooner rather
than later.
 




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