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Old February 11th 14, 01:17 AM posted to sci.engr.color,sci.image.processing,rec.photo.darkroom,rec.photo.digital,comp.soft-sys.matlab
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Kodak failed to leverage a giant imaging media market into emerging
hardware and software markets and new media markets

failed to leverage hardware and software into new media
failed to leverage existing media into new hardware and software
failed to develop emerging open systems hardware and software

cheap labor competition cannot be an excuse, they had NAFTA and were
making consumer digital cameras in Mexico, this could have been invested
in more

wasn't a lack of capital, they were Fortune 26 at one time

wasn't a lack of intellectual property, in fact they failed to leverage
the intellectual property they had in time

so why?

Rochester's nickname is "smug town"

we are talking about entertainment technology for the most part, and
entertainment oriented careers, if this was not a market of expendable
income, the downfall would never have happened

for the record I worked in R&D as a systems engineer
the problem was the people

existing connection circles prevailed over performance and even
organizational responsibility

there were all kinds of groups vying too do the new stuff

film had the money, film people got the careers

remember this is entertainment technology careers for the most part and
entertaining work as opposed to necessity work, fun prevailed too

the last job I had was hybrid systems integration on the film side

we couldn't have the word integration in the name of our group, since
there was an equipment group was responsible for integration,, but we
got the budgets and careers, while the equipment people had "jobs" doing
not much

if it weren't an entertainment business that didn't really matter too
much, in much cases, the money and performance would have prevailed

they had NAFTA and a consumer camera plant in Mexico, they were right on
time I tell you, it was not an accounting problem, or a strategic
problem, it was a corporate culture problem

there is your business case study

want some verification?

they tried George Fisher from Motorola as CEO with a BIG pay to shake
things up, he left

they tried Dan Carp from equipment side to shake up film probably, I
don't know where he went

might want to hear what these two have to say about their experience

this was a publicly held company, public means socialism whether you
think so or not, and the public suffered, there needs to be better law
for socialized business

private companies can set pecking orders however you want

socialized companies have a trust, and pecking orders other than by
performance should be called anti-trust, in fact I can't think of any
other anti-trust that is worse

corporate culture in USA has to change because a service industry
economy lasts as long as EXISTING money, to have NEW money you need a
manufacturing economy, you need fair trade and not free trade, just the
right amount of Nationalism, another trust issue for socialized companies

fair trade in USA/UN/WTO has to consider worker's rights and
environmental investments, etc. I am not a CEO but I bet if you had a
circle of accountants instead a circle of cronies things would work,
just a little fascism is all you need

let luxuries to competition, no socialism, and you will eventually have
the demand for production, and eventually the production for a
manufacturing economy, this will be held in place by the invisible hand
of fascism if you legislate fair trade and not free trade

socialize needs of the people and the commodity markets of those needs
will eventually invest in returns, this will be held in place by the
invisible hand of fascism if you legislate free trade here

you don't need to enforce any thing free, in fact people will do
whatever they want unless you give them something better to do, there
should be anarchists rights to break the law with the understanding that
not only do you face possible governmental societal repercussions, you
enter the wild and may have repercussions there that are outside the
realm of government

so how do you enforce fair, one legislation kept in place and evolving
as nations bond

and if the laws are so complex that only the legal system can study
their books of code and case law to use them, then only the legal system
can be held accountable, ignorance is an excuse, if government doesn't
teach law, they enter the wild themselves for people they cross


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Old February 11th 14, 01:25 AM posted to sci.engr.color,sci.image.processing,rec.photo.darkroom,rec.photo.digital,comp.soft-sys.matlab
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On 02/10/2014 07:17 PM, Dale wrote:
to leverage


just like Bob Marley said "We got to fulfill the book"

Revelation 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third
beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that
sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say,
A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a
penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and
poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their
foreheads:

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the
mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

call it social Darwinism, call it social evolution, or if there IS a
world order at any time call it social engineering

you can't stop it, we live in the wild, eventually meritocracy wins and
you have to base society on such, the beast of HOPE is only limited by a
return of FEAR

today I talked about solipsism and Freud, I said to him I thought in the
kernel of our mind we can only know the ego, everything else is either
part of the ego or not, but we cannot know

I said the ego creates the id out of HOPE to enjoy the experience
regardless, and then if reflection gets the better of you, then the ego
creates a super-ego out of FEAR of the uncertainty which then kills the id

there is a cycle of hope and fear I think, sometimes shorter, sometimes
longer, but we do build a wall and end the id ourself, unless everything
is not an extension of the ego then until there is peace the external
ends the id by building a wall

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego_and_super-ego
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism

there is Advaita Vedanta (non-dualism) which coincides with solipsism
and Dvaita Vedanta (dualism) which doesn't
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedanta

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Old February 11th 14, 02:09 AM posted to sci.engr.color,rec.photo.darkroom,rec.photo.digital
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On 2/10/2014 6:17 PM, Dale wrote:
....snip...

Which has what, specifically to do with Matlab so why are you polluting
cs-sm?

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Old February 11th 14, 02:56 AM posted to sci.engr.color,sci.image.processing,rec.photo.darkroom,rec.photo.digital,comp.soft-sys.matlab
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On 02/10/2014 07:25 PM, Dale wrote:

just like Bob Marley said "We got to fulfill the book"


"one day the bottom will fall out" Bob Marley

we had production on this earth BEFORE

a pyramid here, a pyramid there

a Stonehenge a Stonehenge there

an Easter Island statue here, some other kind of statue there

HOW this PRODUCTION took place may be question, but WHETHER it took
place CANNOT

the USA is in 17 trillion debt, a lot due to sacrificing their
manufacturing economy for a service industry economy

as long as the USA is on the top of the pile they can print money and an
order can be established

but it needs to be a wise order

a service industry economy lasts only as long as OLD money lasts

you need production from manufacturing for NEW money

from the looks of the pyramids the bottom has dropped out before

and PRODUCTION will drop out again unless work-ethic knowing that
luxuries come from labor and PRODUCTION and handouts come from labor and
production TOO

there may have even been a time of production before the pyramids that
was less impressive, the pyramids required WORK

we live in the wild, the USA may not always be on the top of the pile if
there are patterns of debt not paid

what kind of pattern of failure needs to occur before wisdom occurs?

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Old February 11th 14, 03:02 AM posted to sci.engr.color,sci.image.processing,rec.photo.darkroom,rec.photo.digital,comp.soft-sys.matlab
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On 02/10/2014 08:09 PM, dpb wrote:
On 2/10/2014 6:17 PM, Dale wrote:
...snip...

Which has what, specifically to do with Matlab so why are you polluting
cs-sm?

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Kodak used to use Matlab for image processing, and Matlab used to be a
member of the ICC, http://www.color.org

I used to use Matlab, I wrote a script for calibrating color negatives
on a film recorder until the film recorder was gone, but mostly edited
other people's scripts, like I said I was a development systems engineer
who only dabbled in research science

I also used SAS

does matlab have a good statistics library?

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Old February 11th 14, 03:09 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 02/10/2014 06:17 PM, Dale wrote:
Kodak failed to leverage a giant imaging media market into emerging
hardware and software markets and new media markets




Kodak had three major failures:


The Disk camera

Advantix

and failure to pursue digital cameras

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Old February 11th 14, 03:22 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , philo*
wrote:

Kodak had three major failures:

The Disk camera


the disc camera was very successful.

however, kodak's strategy to introduce a new film format every so often
to get people to buy new cameras was very stupid, which is why

Advantix


was a failure, as it offered nothing over what already existed.

and failure to pursue digital cameras


that's what did them in.
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Old February 11th 14, 03:31 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , philo
wrote:

Kodak had three major failures:


The Disk camera


(GRIN) I was managing a chain of camera stores when Disk came out. I'd
never been so puzzled by a product introduction; I couldn't see a
single advantage over existing formats until I looked at it from the
manufacturers side. The tiny 8X11mm frame used less silver, which was
very expensive at the time. And the film disk was easier to process
automatically.

From the consumer point of view, well, they just didn't take very good
pictures, being essentially the Minox subminiature format with consumer
emulsions. Even 3X5" prints had visible grain, and enlargements were
virtually impossible.

And, does anyone remember that the cameras had built-in,
non-rechargeable, non-replaceable batteries? Battery is expended, you
buy a new camera.

I disagree they were successful (only available 1982-1989), but also
disagree they contributed much to Kodak's downfall. There were far
worse failures to follow...
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Old February 11th 14, 05:12 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 02/11/2014 08:31 AM, Scott Schuckert wrote:
In article , philo
X

snip

sful (only available 1982-1989), but also
disagree they contributed much to Kodak's downfall. There were far
worse failures to follow...




If you have ever seen a video of a lion hunting an antelope, it's pretty
rare for them to bring them down with a single charge. The antelope's
demise starts with just a small wound, which slows them down.

That camera alone did not bring Kodak down but it was the start.
The disk of course was easy for the consumer but the image quality was
horrible and most people who got the camera did not use it long. OTOH:
Those 35mm disposable cameras were way superior and certainly easy from
a customer perspective. I always kept one under my driver's seat just in
case I forgot my "real" camera.


As to Advantix, I investigated it when it first came out and as soon as
I realized the film was smaller than 35mm any possible interest ended at
once. Though I did see a few people using those disk cameras, I don't
recall ever seeing anyone use Advantix.


Digital. I still have my very first digital camera, a 1MP Kodak. The
damn thing is indestructible, I've dropped it on the sidewalk several
times and it just bounced. Kodak got off to a good start but did not
follow through.



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Old February 11th 14, 05:54 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , says...

On 02/11/2014 08:31 AM, Scott Schuckert wrote:
In article , philo
X

snip

sful (only available 1982-1989), but also
disagree they contributed much to Kodak's downfall. There were far
worse failures to follow...




If you have ever seen a video of a lion hunting an antelope, it's pretty
rare for them to bring them down with a single charge. The antelope's
demise starts with just a small wound, which slows them down.

That camera alone did not bring Kodak down but it was the start.
The disk of course was easy for the consumer but the image quality was
horrible and most people who got the camera did not use it long. OTOH:
Those 35mm disposable cameras were way superior and certainly easy from
a customer perspective. I always kept one under my driver's seat just in
case I forgot my "real" camera.


As to Advantix, I investigated it when it first came out and as soon as
I realized the film was smaller than 35mm any possible interest ended at
once. Though I did see a few people using those disk cameras, I don't
recall ever seeing anyone use Advantix.


"Advantix" was just Kodak's brand for APS, which was a fine idea that
lives on in the digital world.

Digital. I still have my very first digital camera, a 1MP Kodak. The
damn thing is indestructible, I've dropped it on the sidewalk several
times and it just bounced. Kodak got off to a good start but did not
follow through.



 




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