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Old March 18th 19, 06:01 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Alan Browne[_2_]
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Default Only fools rely solely on "the cloud."

On 2019-03-18 09:59, RichA wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47610936


The 'cloud', esp. services designed for convenience, is not a backup.

I make my own backups and rotate drives and re-burn DVD's every 5 years
or so. (Indeed I'm due to re-burn some presently).

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Old March 19th 19, 01:28 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Only fools rely solely on "the cloud."

Alan Browne:
The 'cloud', esp. services designed for convenience, is not a backup.


I share that view, but I believe that view will change as cloud
services become cheaper. The reliability is already there; more
redundancy and geographic diversity than the average user could
personally afford.

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Old March 19th 19, 01:33 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Only fools rely solely on "the cloud."

In article , Davoud
wrote:

The 'cloud', esp. services designed for convenience, is not a backup.


I share that view, but I believe that view will change as cloud
services become cheaper.


they're already very affordable.

the obstacle is bandwidth, not price. uploading terabytes of data can
potentially take a very long time, which is why some services accept a
seed drive.

The reliability is already there; more
redundancy and geographic diversity than the average user could
personally afford.


exactly the point, and even for above average users.
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Old March 19th 19, 02:43 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Only fools rely solely on "the cloud."

In article , MC
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the obstacle is bandwidth, not price. uploading terabytes of data can
potentially take a very long time, which is why some services accept a
seed drive.

The reliability is already there; more
redundancy and geographic diversity than the average user could
personally afford.


Cost and bandwidth are a poor second to ensuring the organisation
entrusted with storing the data can keep that data safe and secure.


that's exactly what they do, and much more than any end user can
possibly achieve. it's not even close.

the problem is *bandwidth* to move the amounts of data people have
between their devices and the cloud. although the pipes are getting
bigger, so is the amount of data people have.

cloud services sell reliability and if they fail at that, they lose
customers, possibly going out of business.

amazon, google, microsoft, apple, dropbox, carbonite, etc., aren't
going away any time soon, if ever.

and it goes without saying that having a *single* copy of data, whether
it's in the cloud or a local drive, is *not* *backed* *up* and at risk
for loss. that's *not* the fault of the cloud service or the hard drive
maker, but entirely the negligence of the user.

It
seems MySpace were certainly not to be trusted in this regard but who
was to know that until it happened?


myspace never claimed it was a backup service.

anyone using it as such made a very big mistake thinking it was.

however, a much bigger mistake was having a *single* copy of important
data. not only a mistake, but it's incredibly stupid.

those who have *actual* backups don't give a **** that myspace lost
data any more than if one of their hard drives failed. there are always
other copies. sign up with another cloud service or replace the failed
hard drive and sync. no big deal.

The fact that various clauses in
the user agreements, where the organisation make the user ultimately
responsible for the safety and security of their own data, suggests
that the facilities offered could, at some point, be volatile and not
100% safe.


*nothing* is 100% safe.

hard drives fail. houses burn down or are flooded. bad guys steal stuff.

end users would need a *lot* of hard drives in a *lot* of cities to
even begin to approach to what a cloud service offers with a few
clicks.

and again, *one* copy is not a backup.

anyone who has only one copy of *anything*, cloud or local, is begging
for problems, and when it happens, they'll invariably blame the cloud
service or hard drive maker, not their own negligence.
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Old March 19th 19, 03:01 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
arlen holder
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Default Only fools rely solely on "the cloud."

On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 01:03:35 GMT, MC wrote:

Cost and bandwidth are a poor second to ensuring the organisation
entrusted with storing the data can keep that data safe and secure.


If the NSA can't even keep their data secure, what makes anyone think a
company like Apple can?
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Old March 19th 19, 03:11 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Only fools rely solely on "the cloud."

In article , arlen holder
wrote:

If the NSA can't even keep their data secure, what makes anyone think a
company like Apple can?


apple places a higher priority on security than the nsa did.
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Old March 19th 19, 06:18 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Only fools rely solely on "the cloud."

On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 22:11:43 -0400, nospam wrote:

apple places a higher priority on security than the nsa did.


Hehhehheh...

The sad thing is that you actually _believe_ what you write.
o Where facts don't fit into your imaginary belief system, nospam.

o What to do about Apple's shameful Mac security flaw
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3239047/what-to-do-about-apples-shameful-mac-security-flaw.html

o The latest version of iOS has made it much easier to crack passwords protecting encrypted backups.
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/gv5w44/the-new-ios-has-a-critical-security-flaw-says-iphone-cracking-company-1

o Apple acknowledges yet another shameful iOS 10 security flaw
https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/24/ios-10-itunes-backup-security-flaw/

o Anyone Can Hack MacOS High Sierra Just by Typing "Root"
https://www.wired.com/story/macos-high-sierra-hack-root/

o Yet another massive security hole found in iOS 11
https://forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/03/22/apple-ios-11-3-release-upgrade-siri-iphone-security-ipad-problem/#7cbaf7502beb

o iOS 12.1 exploit bypasses the lockscreen
https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/1/18051186/ios-12-1-exploit-lockscreen-bypass-security

o This iOS 12.1 Group FaceTime Hack Allows Full Access
https://www.idropnews.com/news/iphone/this-ios-12-1-group-facetime-hack-allows-full-access-to-contacts/87021/

o Teenage Hacker's App Steals Apple Mac Passwords
https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2019/02/06/teenager-finds-apple-mac-hack-that-steals-passwords-with-evil-apps/#3628cedc1929

o macOS Exploit Published on the Last Day of 2017
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/apple/macos-exploit-published-on-the-last-day-of-2017/

o Apple iOS 11.2.6 Has A Significant Security Problem
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/03/10/apple-ios-11-2-6-problem-ios-upgrade-iphone-ipad-amazon-kindle/#2f3bea3c46b3

etc.
 




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